Extreme Toe In


In my search for a stable soundstage for 3 listeners I have settled on extreme toe in of my speakers. Amazing centered image for 3 people, huge and wide soundstage extending well outside of the speakers. It looks crazy but it sounds fabulous. No discernable loss of anything in the sweet spot. See 

https://youtu.be/OBLNY68VwZw?si=Ay4Ed5_qevKW9TcK

Not my system but found this while researching. 

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Not at all crazy, often recommended especially when side walls are close in. 

Works for me.

I use a laser and I set it along the outer wall of the speaker cabinet and aim the cabinets so that the laser points right at the center of the couch.  This means that a laser beam from the inner wall winds up beyond the center of the cushion to the other side.

But then, I sit a bit forward from the back of the cushion which lessens the toe in a bit.  The soundstage and imaging are really unbelievable!

@toddalin I know! Its the weirdest thing to me because I've never seen other people do it until just recently. 

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Well the video is a bit extreme and if you go that far off axis, with most speakers you start loosing the highs making things sound dull.

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My speakers came with a diagram from the maker indicating the direct axis should be pointed at the shoulders. I'm not hearing any degradation in the sound or imaging by pointing them with the axis intersecting about 4 feet in front of the center listening position. 

I do it with my Arendal 1723 towers.  They cross in front of my listening position.  Best sound I’ve heard after trying several different angles.  

I don’t use the term extreme, but I do use what DBX developed for home theater front speakers to get imaging across the full width for Video, and I adjust my music system toe in to something similar when it’s two listeners, both off-center. It is stable, just less wide if I leave them, and sit in the middle. I haven’t analyzed, but I bet there is some content that benefits from each setup.

DBX Cross Dispersion Method,

I made a virtual system to show it here

https://www.audiogon.com/systems/11516

Note: horns, driver types: my T350 horn’s mouths are specifically designed for wide dispersion with restricted height dispersion.

https://products.electrovoice.com/binary/T350%20EDS.pdf

your driver types will affect results, I use a CD with test tones and a SPL meter on a tripod at seated ear height at my listening position to measure what I am getting, and the results of any changes. I have a pair of L-Pads designed to adjust the mids to the woofer and adjust the tweets to the mids. You can see changes in specific frequency dispersion results, make a chart, take your time, take breaks, it took me 1-1/2 full days last time. 

It's worth the work and patience, they never sounded better, and that applies to each and every musical selection!

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