Or it will read 120.99999999.....No way. It would mess up Poynting vector and that is a big no-no.
Directionality Explained
I have read it argued against by those who think they know
Here is proof
Paul Speltz Founder of ANTICABLES shares his thoughts about wire directionality. Dear Fellow Audiophiles, As an electronic engineer, I struggled years ago with the idea of wire being directional because it did not fit into any of the electrical models I had learned. It simply did not make sense to me that an alternating music signal should favor a direction in a conductor. One of the great things about our audio hobby is that we are able to hear things well before we can explain them; and just because we can’t explain something, doesn't mean that it is not real.
https://www.monoandstereo.com/2020/05/wire-directionality.html#more
Here is proof
Paul Speltz Founder of ANTICABLES shares his thoughts about wire directionality. Dear Fellow Audiophiles, As an electronic engineer, I struggled years ago with the idea of wire being directional because it did not fit into any of the electrical models I had learned. It simply did not make sense to me that an alternating music signal should favor a direction in a conductor. One of the great things about our audio hobby is that we are able to hear things well before we can explain them; and just because we can’t explain something, doesn't mean that it is not real.
https://www.monoandstereo.com/2020/05/wire-directionality.html#more
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Hee hee hee, Ha ha ha, Ho ho ho, I'fn y'all, "Audio Cable, directionality Doubters" are really going to keep arguing a point which has already been made countless times then I just have to ask. Why? I mean, If you cannot hear a difference for "whatever", reason. But you can still actually prove it to yourself by measuring the fact that there is a voltage drop. "There is ALWAYS a voltage drop". And the direction of the cabling should always be in the direction of the "Lesser" of the two values "Voltages", derived by simply measuring it. And this can be done with a simple "Multimeter". WHY? Why are you guys still spouting a belabored, "We don't get it"? I mean, You cannot be saying you do not "Believe' it at this point. |
And yes, There was an "JollyGreenAudiophile#1". Sadly, He met an unfortunate end. After attempting to explain the workings of the Schumann resonances to some whom doubted it's existence for several hours. His head simply, "POOF"! Exploded! He was laid to rest under his Mid-Bass towers. In full view of the rest of his rig..... RIP Jolly#1,.....RIP.... |
andy2 Back to the study, that fact that the difference of resistance in both direction is so small, it does beg the question if the study was valid or the data been massaged or skewed? Also nowhere in the study said anything about listening impression vs. direction of the fuses. >>>>The whole point of the study is that the differences in resistance - though very small - are consistent with listening tests. Why else would HIFi Tuning publish the study on their web site? Duh? Ah, yes, the plaintive whine of the pseudo skeptic - “I looked but I couldn’t find it anywhere.” 😩 So, it looks like pseudo skeptics 3, aftermarket fuse owners 100,000. 🤗 |
andy2 Well it’s hard to argue with regard to directionality against the data if indeed the data are valid. One thing is the average difference is about 0.000005 Ohm (or about in that neighborhood). Given the difference is so small, has the data been "massaged"? Also the study didn’t mention the sonic difference with respect to directionality - only show DC resistance. >>>>>I’m starting to suspect you didn’t get good grades in reading when you were in kindergarten. Not only does the study state that differences in resistance were measured for both DC and AC circuits but that listening tests reveled larger differences in sound quality than could be explained by the differences in resistance. I mean, come on, guys, all audio circuits are AC. The resistance is not necessarily the reason why sound is different according to direction, it is evidence. Nevertheless, the lowest resistance direction of the fuse always correlates to best sound quality. See, that’s not so hard, is it? |
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rwortman t’s an AC signal, for crying out loud, anything it does in one direction it will do in the other. >>>>>>Well, not exactly. That’s the whole point, for crying out loud. |
djones51 Fuses might might have a sound characteristic if they are in the signal path but any competently made modern component shouldn’t be using fuses there. Most of these fuses people are replacing is in the mains. This thread isn’t about fuses. >>>>>What’s it all about, Alfie? What is the signal path? What is the signal? Hel-loo? 🤗 Don’t be a refusenik! 😤 |
listening tests reveled larger differences in sound quality than could be explained by the differences in resistance. I mean, come on, guys, all audio circuits are AC. The resistance is not necessarily the reason why sound is different according to direction, it is evidence. Nevertheless, the lowest resistance direction of the fuse always correlates to best sound quality. See, that’s not so hard, is it? OK, why don't you copy and paste and post here where it says there was any difference in the fuse direction? |
I am not a hand holder, especially in these times of social distancing. Besides, as I’ve often reported, there are many thousands of owners of various brands of fuses, even stock fuses, who report significant sonic differences in fuse direction. So unless there is some mass hallucination or global conspiracy.... |
Old people all talk repeatedly about something particularly eventful in their life experience. With GK that would be wire and fuse direction. It’s his thing....his mission in life. Creating mysteries to help create interest in his mysterious and seemingly mostly useless (or overpriced) products. Que sera sera. It's a living. Still, most old codgers don’t repeat themselves thousands of times on the internet. That’s not normal. Unless you got something to sell and no advertising budget I suppose. |
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Here it is: https://mcru.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/Hi-Fi-Tuning-Fuses.pdf I think this is what you're looking for. All the best,Nonoise |
I posted the link. It shows slight differences between brands of fuses and direction of fuses. Naturally Hi-Fi Tuning fuses are best. It also says The measurements done so far showed some measurable differences between fuses, but didn´t explain completely the sonic differences. It doesn't say anything about their results aligning with any listening tests. |
It doesn’t matter fuses are mostly used in the mains not in the audio signal path. If they are in the audio signal path it’s possible it can affect the sound but whether it’s audible who knows. I doubt it especially figuring that speaker distortion would be many db’s more than a miniscule amount from a backwards fuse. |
I won't so far as to say fuse does not make any difference. We know that power cables do make a difference, so by extension, fuses should make a difference since it's in the power path just like the power cables. My only beef was the claim that the link did any listening test with respect to fuse direction. |
Could it be the way fuses are made? Are both end caps attached to the wire in the same manner? Is there a little more solder on one end than the other? And I've always felt that better and purer metals used in a fuse should have an effect on sound quality the same way a better made power cord would. The crap they use in bog standard fuses are a witch's brew of poorly conductive metals. All the best, Nonoise |
I have never read any manufacturer of power cables claim their cable made sonic differences only that they "may " make a difference or we can hear a difference. Or here are reviews from our customers. If they went as far as to claim their cable really objectively made a difference they would open themselves up to lawsuits and consumer protection violations because if they went that far they would have to actually prove it. |
Directionality of HiFi Tuning fuses revealed. https://www.stereophile.com/content/hifi-tuning-fuse-follow-may-2012 |
For power cords the same principle of directionality applies as it does for fuses and cables. If only more companies followed AudioQuest’s example of honoring the inherent directionality of wire whilst constructing their power cords. Even stranded cables and power cords should be controlled for directionality during construction. |
There is a discussion of HiFi Tuning fuse directionality on the PS Audio web site here, https://forum.psaudio.com/t/hifi-tuning-fuse-in-p10/2402/14 |
Would you believe Audiogon has a discussion of HiFi Tuning fuse directionality here? https://forum.audiogon.com/discussions/what-direction-should-hi-fi-tune-fuse-be-installed note - Be advised if you do a search for HiFi Tuning fuse directionality on Audiogon forums you get 105 results. Hel-loo! |
nonoise Could it be the way fuses are made? Are both end caps attached to the wire in the same manner? Is there a little more solder on one end than the other? And I’ve always felt that better and purer metals used in a fuse should have an effect on sound quality the same way a better made power cord would. The crap they use in bog standard fuses are a witch’s brew of poorly conductive metals. All the best, Nonoise >>>>You’re getting warm. There are a number of reasons why aftermarket fuses generally outperform stock fuses. Purity and type of metal used for the wire are two. Some HiFi Tuning fuse are made of high purity silver with gold, for example. The amount of Solder on the ends of the wire is almost certainly not a reason. |
Yes, there are tons of subjective opinions on fuses, power cables and wires of every stripe. What you will not find is any manufacturer of said things claiming they absolutely definitely objectively make a difference in your sound system. Their lawyers know better than to let them do something that stupid. Of course they could provide results of controlled tests and measurements to support their contentions but , well...that would interfere with profits. |
You say subjective opinions. I say empirical evidence. We observe reality through our senses. If you can’t hear properly or you don’t trust your sense of hearing I suggest candling your ears. 🕯So far those who hear directionality outweigh those who don’t by a factor of about 10,000 to 1. Besides, as I’ve oft counseled, controlled tests are for sissies. They don’t mean anything. They are only an excuse not to progress. So cut me some slack, Jack. I’m afraid you’ve been following the wrong, you know.... 🐑 🐑 🐑 🚶🏻 |
djones51 ... there are tons of subjective opinions on fuses, power cables and wires of every stripe. What you will not find is any manufacturer of said things claiming they absolutely definitely objectively make a difference in your sound system. Their lawyers know better than to let them do something that stupid.How about WireWorld’s "superior image and sound reproduction." You can read that here. How about Nordost’s "... power cords deliver a level of performance not previously possible at their price points. " You can read that here. How about Ray Kimber’s "braided wire concept not only rejected the (RF) noise, but allowed the system to sound different, better." You can read that here. Those are just a few examples. I’ve challenged cable naysayers many times when they bleat about "snake oil" and "fraudsters." File a lawsuit and seek class action, I tell ’em. Think of the riches that await you after you reveal that an entire industry has been built on fraud! |
Yeah, OK I read the links I saw nothing actionable but then again I saw no evidence of anything said , that these products would definitely improve everyone's listening experience. Something would only be actionable if the claim made would be considered fact or universal, i.e. listerines claim their mouthwash killed germs. |
