Quote-"I believe that there are aspects of hearing that machines do not measure"
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At the current time I am sure that we are not even asking the "correct" questions. And without those questions how do you measure? What do you measure? What scale is to be used?
Do we really ever use simply "one’, sense at a time? What about that pesky, "Sixth" sense?
How much of a role does "individual perception", play?
Simply one’s mood can change any "perception". Hence how does that variable factor?
And in how many ways? New scale?
On and on and on.
Let alone the design of any apparatus to help us measure, "quantify", in any meaningful way or even just to "qualify" in any way at all? Any result?
It Is therefore currently beyond our capabilities. But that shall not be true forever. It could be a relatively long wait though, "In case you happen to be in a hurried state".
Yet,
At least we are having this discussion. Which would never have taken place even a few decades before now. And "This", IS indeed part of the process!
No less important than any other part. "And quite possibly more important than many others".
Therefore;
Congratulations!
Your "involvement", in this thread, has moved "Human Understanding" forward.
By approximately "one", (standard), "iota"!
Shall we go for two?
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Geoffkait,
Quote; We still don’t know the mechanism for how/why the sound is changed by physical asymmetry of wire.
Hee hee, "In a nut-shell", "That", Is all I was saying really.....
Same-day, Different nut-shell!
Quote; The voltage drop across a wire is different for each direction.
And that quote above is "To me", empirical evidence. And is quite difficult to argue with!
I guess I sometimes get "stuck" when the mechanism or the "Why", and/or the "How" are yet unknowns, and undefined.
But that is just me.
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djones;
Please, Keep us posted on your findings |
Because If you are? You are saying also "Basically", that you do not believe in "Basic Arithmetic", as well....
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Hee hee hee, Ha ha ha, Ho ho ho,
I'fn y'all, "Audio Cable, directionality Doubters" are really going to keep arguing a point which has already been made countless times then I just have to ask.
Why?
I mean, If you cannot hear a difference for "whatever", reason. But you can still actually prove it to yourself by measuring the fact that there is a voltage drop. "There is ALWAYS a voltage drop". And the direction of the cabling should always be in the direction of the "Lesser" of the two values "Voltages", derived by simply measuring it. And this can be done with a simple "Multimeter".
WHY? Why are you guys still spouting a belabored, "We don't get it"?
I mean, You cannot be saying you do not "Believe' it at this point.
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And yes, There was an "JollyGreenAudiophile#1".
Sadly, He met an unfortunate end. After attempting to explain the workings of the Schumann resonances to some whom doubted it's existence for several hours.
His head simply, "POOF"! Exploded!
He was laid to rest under his Mid-Bass towers. In full view of the rest of his rig.....
RIP Jolly#1,.....RIP....
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Directionality.
Yes cabling, "All" is directional "to a point",
from the time the wire itself is first drawn. "It has a polarity", and that is the beginning. Regardless of the process used to draw the wire or the metallurgy involved. In a way, "Many ways in fact". None of that matters when it comes to this concept.
I am not going to begin a treatise here on the interactions "At the subatomic level", of particles and their interactions with other fields, particles and other phenomenon. OR, the field/polarity and wave interaction theories and such. But if you really wish to know the reasoning and means for understanding this concept of, "Directionality". You can look there for a start and see where it takes you..
Proof? We have math. AND your ears. That's it at this point.
But then, All Newton had was a bruised apple.
Personally, I think it is all the fault of a one Mr. "Higgs Boson" myself.
But that's just me!
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"Geoffkait. (Global Conspiracy)- Head Coordinator" |
Geoff? Does it at times feel like you are simply banging your head against the wall?
"Hence, that ringing sound"
Or is that just your blood pressure?
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So, Just how do these companies "Stay Afloat" that manufacture the cables if it is actually, "Just a Marketing Scheme"?
I mean, Pretty much "Most", if not "All" of the reputable companies offer at a minimum, (A "30" day, free home trial), right? Or your money back "In full", don't they?
I haven't really looked at that in awhile. But I don't think that has really changed in any appreciable way has it?.....
But if they are..."Just Marketing Schemes". .How is it they are still in business? Because for the majority of people that I am aware of? Nearly all of those whom don't think that cabling makes a difference? Are the one's that are typically a member of a group of "four". Not always, but usually.
They are;
1.Those whom have never actually tried the cables that will make a difference. "The largest group of the four, By Far".
Or
2. Those whom have a rig that has issues. Issues which preclude "anyone", from discerning much of anything. Let alone hearing a difference.....
Or
3. Those whom have a home, "Stereo".As they usually call it. And it is usually centered around a "Receiver". A receiver that has not a chance of ever resolving a resolution of music, into and of a "quality", which, "Nearly anyone", could easily hear the differences of.
"These guy's are the one's hardest to convince. As they seem not to understand the actual meaning of simple words. Words such as, "Cost", "Engineering", and of course-, "Science". They, "Think", as well as "Believe", that they understand these words. And therein lies the problem...
Or lastly, "And this one honestly saddens me" ......
4. Those whom simply have not the "ability", to hear the difference. "However that may have been caused". Sometimes they are as they are, from birth, sometimes not.
But currently there is nothing which can be done to remedy the situation.
So, Just for the good of this communities general health and wealth of information;
Which is it? Of the, "One through four"?
Which is it for you fellows?
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It is really not that hard. "To measure a difference". What is hard to define is any, "particular", sound. But that, can be done though it may be exhausting. And that in, "your" rig,. We are talking about things that "you" need to at the very least, have the basic understanding of. Concepts that are available for you to learn. But "You", need to learn them. I cannot do that for you. And I do not believe any of these, "Concepts" are at all, "Rocket Science". Just a bit past basic physics really.
And since I have never called you, "Grasshopper".....
If you wish I can tell you where to begin.
The rest is up to you.
Yet still, I shall not call you, "Grasshopper".
"Weedhopper", possibly.....
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I am not talking about depth. I am talking "measureable". Easily. |
