This might be an actionable claim, " everyone who uses our cables will definitely have "superior image and sound reproduction." Of course they would toss in money back guaranteed which kind of negates the "everyone" in their initial claim.
Directionality Explained
I have read it argued against by those who think they know
Here is proof
Paul Speltz Founder of ANTICABLES shares his thoughts about wire directionality. Dear Fellow Audiophiles, As an electronic engineer, I struggled years ago with the idea of wire being directional because it did not fit into any of the electrical models I had learned. It simply did not make sense to me that an alternating music signal should favor a direction in a conductor. One of the great things about our audio hobby is that we are able to hear things well before we can explain them; and just because we can’t explain something, doesn't mean that it is not real.
https://www.monoandstereo.com/2020/05/wire-directionality.html#more
Here is proof
Paul Speltz Founder of ANTICABLES shares his thoughts about wire directionality. Dear Fellow Audiophiles, As an electronic engineer, I struggled years ago with the idea of wire being directional because it did not fit into any of the electrical models I had learned. It simply did not make sense to me that an alternating music signal should favor a direction in a conductor. One of the great things about our audio hobby is that we are able to hear things well before we can explain them; and just because we can’t explain something, doesn't mean that it is not real.
https://www.monoandstereo.com/2020/05/wire-directionality.html#more
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djones51 Does it say everyone will definitely hear a significant improvement? Significant to who exactly?It claims to "significantly increase the range of both color and contrast, which creates an even more vibrant and realistic picture." You need only to show the jury that the claim is false. C'mon, file that suit and seek class action status. You'll get rich beyond your wildest dreams! |
Does it say everyone will definitely hear a significant improvement? Significant to who exactly? Few hundred audiophiles or everyone? Nothing actionable in that weasel statement. No , it's not easy to prove whether an image is better or not, better to who? You're not going to find objective definable claims on universal sound characteristics and improvement in any of these manufacturers papers. |
djones51 ... I read the links I saw nothing actionable but then again I saw no evidence of anything said , that these products would definitely improve everyone’s listening experience.I couldn’t have made it easier for you - I actually pulled exact quotes. WireWorld: "superior image and sound reproduction." Maybe you prefer to go after Best Buy, which promotes an AQ cable that will "significantly increase the range of both color and contrast, which creates an even more vibrant and realistic picture." Wow! A claim of "significant improvement" should be easy for you to disprove, no? You can read the claim here. It should be an easy matter to prove whether an image is better or not. That you’re not up to the challenge suggests you fear the result. C’mon, buy some WireWorld or AQ cables, demonstrate that the claim is false and get rich beyond your wildest dreams when you prove an entire industry is built on fraud. Good luck! |
You will not find proof on these manufacturers websites other than them showing differences in measurements to other items of like kind and subjective options of what those measurements mean to the sound. No lawyer worth a damn is going to let a manufacturer of cables make definitive statements. Few years ago in the UK a man brought a complaint against a power cord manufacturer claiming misleading statements about the product. The first ruling was for the plaintiff but a subsequent appeals ruling overturned saying the manufacturer never explicitly said everyone would notice a difference and that in their research papers they never said any of the measured differences between power cords were necessarily audible. The reason no action is taken is the lawyers only allow weasel words in their claims to do otherwise invites LAWSUITS UNLESS they can objectively PROVE their claims. The legal lesson is free. |
Yeah, OK I read the links I saw nothing actionable but then again I saw no evidence of anything said , that these products would definitely improve everyone's listening experience. Something would only be actionable if the claim made would be considered fact or universal, i.e. listerines claim their mouthwash killed germs. |
djones51 ... there are tons of subjective opinions on fuses, power cables and wires of every stripe. What you will not find is any manufacturer of said things claiming they absolutely definitely objectively make a difference in your sound system. Their lawyers know better than to let them do something that stupid.How about WireWorld’s "superior image and sound reproduction." You can read that here. How about Nordost’s "... power cords deliver a level of performance not previously possible at their price points. " You can read that here. How about Ray Kimber’s "braided wire concept not only rejected the (RF) noise, but allowed the system to sound different, better." You can read that here. Those are just a few examples. I’ve challenged cable naysayers many times when they bleat about "snake oil" and "fraudsters." File a lawsuit and seek class action, I tell ’em. Think of the riches that await you after you reveal that an entire industry has been built on fraud! |
You say subjective opinions. I say empirical evidence. We observe reality through our senses. If you can’t hear properly or you don’t trust your sense of hearing I suggest candling your ears. 🕯So far those who hear directionality outweigh those who don’t by a factor of about 10,000 to 1. Besides, as I’ve oft counseled, controlled tests are for sissies. They don’t mean anything. They are only an excuse not to progress. So cut me some slack, Jack. I’m afraid you’ve been following the wrong, you know.... 🐑 🐑 🐑 🚶🏻 |
Yes, there are tons of subjective opinions on fuses, power cables and wires of every stripe. What you will not find is any manufacturer of said things claiming they absolutely definitely objectively make a difference in your sound system. Their lawyers know better than to let them do something that stupid. Of course they could provide results of controlled tests and measurements to support their contentions but , well...that would interfere with profits. |
nonoise Could it be the way fuses are made? Are both end caps attached to the wire in the same manner? Is there a little more solder on one end than the other? And I’ve always felt that better and purer metals used in a fuse should have an effect on sound quality the same way a better made power cord would. The crap they use in bog standard fuses are a witch’s brew of poorly conductive metals. All the best, Nonoise >>>>You’re getting warm. There are a number of reasons why aftermarket fuses generally outperform stock fuses. Purity and type of metal used for the wire are two. Some HiFi Tuning fuse are made of high purity silver with gold, for example. The amount of Solder on the ends of the wire is almost certainly not a reason. |
Would you believe Audiogon has a discussion of HiFi Tuning fuse directionality here? https://forum.audiogon.com/discussions/what-direction-should-hi-fi-tune-fuse-be-installed note - Be advised if you do a search for HiFi Tuning fuse directionality on Audiogon forums you get 105 results. Hel-loo! |
There is a discussion of HiFi Tuning fuse directionality on the PS Audio web site here, https://forum.psaudio.com/t/hifi-tuning-fuse-in-p10/2402/14 |
For power cords the same principle of directionality applies as it does for fuses and cables. If only more companies followed AudioQuest’s example of honoring the inherent directionality of wire whilst constructing their power cords. Even stranded cables and power cords should be controlled for directionality during construction. |
Directionality of HiFi Tuning fuses revealed. https://www.stereophile.com/content/hifi-tuning-fuse-follow-may-2012 |
I have never read any manufacturer of power cables claim their cable made sonic differences only that they "may " make a difference or we can hear a difference. Or here are reviews from our customers. If they went as far as to claim their cable really objectively made a difference they would open themselves up to lawsuits and consumer protection violations because if they went that far they would have to actually prove it. |
Could it be the way fuses are made? Are both end caps attached to the wire in the same manner? Is there a little more solder on one end than the other? And I've always felt that better and purer metals used in a fuse should have an effect on sound quality the same way a better made power cord would. The crap they use in bog standard fuses are a witch's brew of poorly conductive metals. All the best, Nonoise |
I won't so far as to say fuse does not make any difference. We know that power cables do make a difference, so by extension, fuses should make a difference since it's in the power path just like the power cables. My only beef was the claim that the link did any listening test with respect to fuse direction. |
It doesn’t matter fuses are mostly used in the mains not in the audio signal path. If they are in the audio signal path it’s possible it can affect the sound but whether it’s audible who knows. I doubt it especially figuring that speaker distortion would be many db’s more than a miniscule amount from a backwards fuse. |
I posted the link. It shows slight differences between brands of fuses and direction of fuses. Naturally Hi-Fi Tuning fuses are best. It also says The measurements done so far showed some measurable differences between fuses, but didn´t explain completely the sonic differences. It doesn't say anything about their results aligning with any listening tests. |
Here it is: https://mcru.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/Hi-Fi-Tuning-Fuses.pdf I think this is what you're looking for. All the best,Nonoise |
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Old people all talk repeatedly about something particularly eventful in their life experience. With GK that would be wire and fuse direction. It’s his thing....his mission in life. Creating mysteries to help create interest in his mysterious and seemingly mostly useless (or overpriced) products. Que sera sera. It's a living. Still, most old codgers don’t repeat themselves thousands of times on the internet. That’s not normal. Unless you got something to sell and no advertising budget I suppose. |
I am not a hand holder, especially in these times of social distancing. Besides, as I’ve often reported, there are many thousands of owners of various brands of fuses, even stock fuses, who report significant sonic differences in fuse direction. So unless there is some mass hallucination or global conspiracy.... |
listening tests reveled larger differences in sound quality than could be explained by the differences in resistance. I mean, come on, guys, all audio circuits are AC. The resistance is not necessarily the reason why sound is different according to direction, it is evidence. Nevertheless, the lowest resistance direction of the fuse always correlates to best sound quality. See, that’s not so hard, is it? OK, why don't you copy and paste and post here where it says there was any difference in the fuse direction? |
djones51 Fuses might might have a sound characteristic if they are in the signal path but any competently made modern component shouldn’t be using fuses there. Most of these fuses people are replacing is in the mains. This thread isn’t about fuses. >>>>>What’s it all about, Alfie? What is the signal path? What is the signal? Hel-loo? 🤗 Don’t be a refusenik! 😤 |
rwortman t’s an AC signal, for crying out loud, anything it does in one direction it will do in the other. >>>>>>Well, not exactly. That’s the whole point, for crying out loud. |
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