I know a lot about what happened at Krell and how some of their most dedicated employees were treated. I think Dan is a great designer and engineer but he did some bad things to people that really loved him. |
Rwwear, can you elaborate? Very curious about what happened. |
I don't think this is the proper place Auxetophone. |
I'm not sure what the P/E firm bought, whatever they now own isn't Krell anymore is it? Krell is whatever Dan was designing and brining to market, without him it seems whatever is left is a shell moving forward - I can't imagine buying a Pass Labs amp not designed by Nelson Pass and thinking it is a Pass amp. Something nasty must have been going for the investors to push out their most valuable asset. |
Dan was an important designer but not the only one at Krell. |
That might very well be true, but Dan is the one the "public" knows about and for the most part the sense is that the connection between Dan the man and Krell the company is that they are one and the same, rightly or wrongly. Not sure what will happen to the Krell brand and product line in the future, but it is not the same without Dan (which does not mean it can't be a better company with better product, but it is just not the same Krell post-Dan). There may very well be a depth of design talent there to keep Krell viable moving forward. |
I find your innuendo disgracefull! either you know something for FACT or you do not. To make a suggestion like yours without facts or backing up is wrong. Who are you? Did you work for Krell? Do you have some intrest in Krell now? Either prove your point or say nothing. I have no intrest in krell any longer nor am I in the market for new SS gear, but I never had an issue with the co while Dan was head. I owned differant Krell gear over 15yrs. Your accusation is ridiculous, there is always someone with a complaint. So put up or shut up! |
Compettition is good. High end is hurting with the economics of Obama. And $40,000 amps and pramps is ridiculous. I wish Dan luck-he will need it |
Not all amps have been designed by by Nelson Pass himself. Same at Krell. |
"ECONOMICS OF OBAMA"? You kill me, what happen to the previous 8yrs. I find the economy doing the best it has done in 5 or 6 yrs. You better do more research and stop listening to sound bites and fox news. They will kill your mind and your ability to think for your self. Muscle cars are what is ridiculous. Tesla's are what is smart. $40000 amps and pre-amps tend to be worth it. And highend is what makes this hobby great! There has always been alot of compition in the highend and always will be. |
Obama caused the collapse of Wall Street? invented credit default swaps and debt obligations, convinced O'neil at Merrill to ignore the ten-fold increase in exposure to sub-prime mortgages, which led to the hemorraging of constuction and manufacturing jobs, the implosion of the mortgage and housing market and the world-wide debt induced recession? I'm confused, but I haven't watched Fox News for a while. Well maybe Jeb will come to the rescue and provide a path to sustainable, productive growth for the economy and the resurgence of high-end audio, he can always lean on his brother for good advice on steering the economy to prosperity, hey, wait a second.....
I know Wayne Colburn did a lot of design work on Pass preamps, but I was not aware of any significant design work done on the amps (circuit design, not casing)other than by Nelson Pass. |
Obama did not cause it but his programs magnified our problems. |
Koegz, I don't know who you are referring to but if it happens to be me, I know from past and present employees of Krell some who happen to be friends of mine what went on. True it may be a one sided view but I am confident by the chain of events that is for the most part accurate. |
Class A SS sounds better than A/B. |
Verneal you have no CLUE what you are talking about. Rwwear, all I am saying is you can not accuse someone of something with out stating facts about your accusation. Especialy when you know they will not defend them selves on this forum. Credible dictates that you explain your point. Like what went on? What is the chain of events? We may see the other side and not agree with your opinion. Then again we may agree with you. But how could anyone know if you just make a claim without backing it up? Not trying to offend you just understand your point, |
"I don't think this is the proper place Auxetophone." Correct. Not questioning what you know, right or wrong, but as you sense, there are many reasons for not continuing with this story in this public forum with what is essentially hearsay and one-sided.
Were the new amp and preamp at RMAF? Or is this waiting till CES/The Show? |
It's funny I would think on this forum people would discuss what the amps sound like and I can tell you first hand they sound awesome! I don't know what I was expecting but they were a pleasant suprise, very few amps are in this class of musical abilty, control and astonishing detail with the soundstage, the soundstage is huge. They are much more powerful than the size would suggest. Dan said he was planning on some bigger amps too down the road after the preamp, phono and integreted. The wilson's he was using in the demo dip down to 2 ohms and the amps had no problem with it. I have several Krell amps, however I have stuck with the FPB750MCX amps rather than upgrade?? to the EVO amps. I was looking to get an EVO2 preamp but may wait a bit until I hear more of this new preamp of Dan's?
Technically I would say yes class A is going to sound better than Class AB but you have to hear these momentum amps before you make a judgment, they really are that good. I'm not a wilson die hard, I have MBL's and Genesis speakers that I love but the new amps made those speakers sound better than I have ever heard them before by a wide margin, yes more detail and definately a stable large soundstage but they were so musical doing all that.
It's funny at these shows I hear so many high end products that really do not sound very good and not natural at all. Dan's new stuff just draws you right into the music instantly, there are always very few rooms that do that. I remember walking by the Hales room years back, MBL and a few others that just get the music right and you know it when you hear it.
So much time is spent on here stating opions about the money and technology, for me its the sound first, technology and then how bad is it going to hurt? Should I get my son a new car or maybe that new preamp lol..Being all middle class I have to make those tough choices. |
"I find the economy doing the best it has done in 5 or 6 yrs."
Bwahahahahahaha!!! (9.1 % unemployment)
"Tesla's are what is smart."
Bwahahahahahaha!!!
Tesla - "A tiny car company backed by former Vice President Al Gore has just gotten a $529 million U.S. government loan to help build a hybrid sports car in Finland that will sell for about $89,000."
If you don't like Fox, try the WSJ. But only if facts matter more than your feelings. Tehehehe.
I just hope Dan's new company does better than Tesla and Solyndra. :)
Maybe if Dan claims his new amps are "green" and the copper cooling fins create a venturi effect big enough to cool the planet - maybe, just maybe - he can get a crony capitalism loan worth hundreds of millions of taxpayer's dollars also.
I am not the 99%. |
I'm fairly certain that Fisker is the car company Gore is behind. The Karma is a good-looking car. |
Gore is involved in both Fisker and Tesla. |
$40,000 for an amp and STILL have no peace of mind!
How much do you have top spend to be able to relax and stop worrying about it all? |
What's wrong with Tesla? Seems like a lot better car than a Chevy Volt. |
My neighbor has a Tesla...it looks really crude. Panels don't fit together well, seats are bare bones and are uncomfortable. He let me drive it...phenomenal pickup, but I will remain happy in my Porsche Cayman R |
