I own the Bricasti M3 with streamer card and the the latest MDX board it is very well balanced and in no way thin sounding ,exceptional musical ,with precision and prat.
hearing all instruments in space with depth and realism even more so with
a true balanced preamp or integrated like my Coda CSIB , the M3 also being Differentially balanced,using xlr
and Ethernet cable is the best low noise , the uptone audio Ether Regen
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Doge clarity 7 best DAC at any price.
I have owned Berkley Audio, Lumin, Chord.....etc.
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Doge clarity 7 best DAC at any price.
I have owned Berkley Audio, Lumin, Chord.....etc.
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How good is EVO compared to Holo May and Terminator? I have tried to find the answer to this question but couldnt find one. |
Bricasti m3 with streamer card is a incredible deal and digs very deep into the recording and sounds very natural vs the Holo springs May KTE and Denafrips
terminstor +. The Bricasti sounded more fleshed out with better tonal balance ,very close 95% of their $10k m1 dac and a pure Analog preamp section from their m21 , and Differentially balanced circuit ,and running 2 ANalog devises 1955
Multibit dacs ,I can see why Bricasti is used often in professional mastering studios . I bought the M3 which also module for future upgrades ,CNC machined aluminum chassis ,and made in MA. U.S.A not China !! |
@mitch2:
Used Aqua La Scala
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If you are in search of excellent value ...
The
R7HE MK2 is a dual mono fully balanced Class A reference quality
PCM/DSD DAC that is dramatically underpriced for its performance level.
We have heard no DAC at near this price that presently competes with it.
Most competitors are selling this level of quality for well over
$10,000.00. Parts quality is world class.
This is easily the best DAC that we have ever sold. We were shocked at its performance at this price
https://www.underwoodhifi.com/products/audio-gdhth |
@quanghuy147 I have had both in my system. The Mojo has a certain naturalness to it that is rare IME, I describe it as moving from the recording booth into the studio. Especially on red book 44.1 material it is really good. The Terminator however was more three dimensional in my system and did some of the “HiFi” (in a good way) things better. Also it is very flexible with the ability to oversample, DSD, and offers very hi-rates if you like that sort of thing. For the price I would choose the terminator, which was about half as much as the Mojo. I was running both with a aurender N20 into Luxman electronics and Harbeth speakers. As always, system matching is key. |
I do not have Linndrum808's extensive experience with as many DACs as he/she, but I can say the Doge 7 is wonderful. I did, however, have a Stereophile class A DAC before and some other great ones coming through my room--all of them lost to the Doge.
The Doge's build quality is fantastic. ClarityCaps used throughout. Great separation of wiring, power, etc. Internal build is clean and beautiful.
The Doge's features are great and work without issue. I run mine all the time. Not an issue. Controls are laid out well. The DSD and USB stuff links to other systems (Roon NUC, computers, etc.) well without issue.
For me, the Doge's sound quality is what has kept it here in my room, which sees lots of rotating gear. I was looking at getting a DAC that could compete with my vinyl side of things: Kiseki Purpleheart, Manley Chinook, and Technics 1200 GAE (anniversary edition/$5k table). It did that so it's been here since. Its job was to make me love streaming as much as my records. I do.
The sound is clear, big and on just on the wet side of neutral--it is not dry, cool, and analytical. It is slightly wet, slightly warmish, and musical. It does have detail and precision--just not at the expense of casting a beautiful musical picture. Instruments though sound just like they should. The soundstage is big and holographic. And while I get no fatigue, it's not laid back or sleepy--it is big, bold and beautiful. There's no sheen, haze, hash, or anything forced.
The stock Chinese tubes are very good but not exceptional. You don't need to roll tubes to hear what it can generally do, but it is responsive to rolling. I have found, however, that it doesn't need super special tubes to open up and sound its best. It can sound amazing with resissue Gold Lions; my private stash of NOS tubes do make a difference but I don't feel they make it that much better as compared to using NOS in preamps.
I have some pieces in my room that I'd recommend, but none that I feel as strongly about at this price point (likely pushing $2k now). This DAC is exceptional in sound, build and value. If you told me it was $5k I'd say it is worth it, but for the understated looks. To be clear though, by understated I do not mean cheap or inexpensive looking; it's a strong build.
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I ended up with Mojo Audio's Mystique EVO B4B 21 D/A Converter, which I found to sound a bit better than the Mystique v3 it replaced, but cut from the same basic cloth. It cost a bit more than the budget I posted to start this thread last December. As @jimmy2615 reports below (or above depending on how you sort), it serves the music very well. Not sure which version Jimmy heard but IMO the B4B 21 displays great tonal color, deep, dynamic and slightly rounded bass, and no noticeable SQ shortcomings but maybe (and subjectively) falls just a bit short of some other very good DACs with respect to all the audiophile markers. I also have the Deja Vu EVO Media Server and I am fully satisfied with the musical sound resulting from that combo in my system.
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Simply based on the bottom tier Mojo-Audio DAC in my system I’d have to think the better DAC’s should be on anyone’s audition list. If I had the $$$ for sure one would be in my system.
My server was built by Mojo and uses his Deja vu software.
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am currently comparing at length the doge 7 (and an audio note ank 4.1 tube dac) against my references chord tt2/scaler, sonnet morpheus and audio mirror tubador 3se
am not through the listening/comparing yet but i can say at 2 grand the doge 7 is spectacularly good... jbhiller’s description earlier in this thread is quite accurate, it is very very close to the m scaler/hugo tt2 at over 10 grand cost - to my ears it is also more natural sounding than the top denafrips terminator...
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I realize this is an older discussion but it won’t hurt to freshen it up a bit.
I sold my mojo audio mystique v3 over a year ago and have been on a constant search trying to replace it. I’ve tried many dacs, many more then I care to admit and finally found a dac that just plays beautiful music. No fatigue, no bloat, no fireworks or pyrotechnics, just good warm music. No MQA, no DSD just 16/41 to 24/192. It’s the Swiss built Merason Dac1. I find it hard to understand there is no noise or discussion on the forums of the Merason. It’s list price is $5500 but my dealer shipped it to me at $4950. Prior to me buying it Mike at Tweek Geek sent me a demo on his dime to try. This certainly eliminates stress of buying and having to sell if it doesn’t fit in your system.
The dac has a huge soundstage deep and wide, never ever bright with the perfect amount of detail. Bass is full sounding which helps to provide a great foundation of the music. This dac is very large sounding with plenty of meat on the bones.
if anyone is shopping for a dac in the $5000 range this is a great very musical fun dac to audition.
Starboard
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How different is it from the Mystique dac?
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I ended up with the Mojo Audio Mystique EVO B4B 21 D/A Converter (with a couple of upgrades) and have been pleased with the sound. For various reasons, I am glad that I didn't go for any of the three DACs listed in my OP, although maybe the Terminator Plus could have worked for me.
No piece of audio equipment hits it out of the park in every area so it really comes down to finding gear that matches your sonic preferences, ergonomics (i.e., features/functions, display, size, and appearance), and budget. The main things I like about the EVO B4B are the rich, natural sounding tonal qualities, and the total absence of any digital thinness or stridency. The trade-off seems to be a leaning toward body vs. detail. I find I can listen to a wider range of music without fatigue because of that.
Benjamin doesn't sit still so he has come out with a new Mystique X DAC that will be offered at various levels and prices. I was a little disappointed by Mojo's abrupt change to move away from a model and style of DAC that was intended to be EVOlutionary, i.e., somewhat "futureproof" and upgradable. I suspect there were some supply and construction cost issues that forced the change. However, on the plus side, with Mojo you basically end up with a bespoke product that is built to a very high quality, using traditional designs to create the most realistic sounding music reproduction they know how to achieve. If he can offer the same sound quality at similar or lower prices with the new line then good for him.
If I were purchasing today, I would look hard at the Mojo Mystique X and the new Sonnet DAC, the Pasithea, both of which are due out soon. In addition to whatever upgrades the Pasithea offers over the Sonnet Morpheus, I probably wouldn't purchase either unless they improve on the hard to read display in the Morpheus. I have been spoiled by the display in my Hattor BIG preamp, which can be easily seen across the room.
The Merason DAC1 discussed by @starboard looks interesting and well-constructed but The Ear review had a couple of comments that seemed to move the DAC1 away from the type of sound I enjoy from the EVO B4B DAC:
"Merason takes a more black and white view and has voiced the DAC1 to be as revealing as possible and hang the consequences, whatever your source is producing that’s what you’ll hear." and "The tonal balance remained on the light side however and while this works beautifully with better recordings it can feel a bit uncomfortable with lesser ones,..."
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Mitch,
The ear review blows my mind. The Merason sounds to me in my system quite the opposite of his review. There are two other professional reviews, one is from HiFi News…..
Hi-Fi News Verdict
The richness of the sound won’t be to every taste, but it’s never cloying or overplayed: instead, Merason’s DAC1 backs up its smoothness with power and unforced detail to consistently appealing musical effect. True, the limited format handling may rule the DAC1 out for some – it takes a stand against digital expansionism! – but its singularity of purpose pays off in a sound as appealing as it is easy to enjoy.
These days, from expensive experience, I take reviews with a grain of salt.
My search was to find a dac that has the musicality of the Mojo mystique v3 and after a long expensive search I found it in spades with the Merason Dac1.
Some of the dacs ive tried are the Denafrips Terminator, Holo Audio May kte, Sw1x tube dac, Sonnet Morpheus, Audio Mirror Tubadour (this was a very musical dac but lacked the bass that I like), Metronome Le Dac, Aqua La Scala Optologic, and a couple more lesser dacs.
The Merason Dac1 is a better fit in my system to my ears than any of these and of course others mileage may vary.
Branislav,
The Mojo mystique v3 is an incredible dac that I should have not ever sold but I just had to try something different. The audiophile curse!!!
But to answer your question, and to the best of my memory, the Merason Dac1 is very similar to the mojo mystique in tone and fullness but has better resolution,
Starboard
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Interesting @starboard . The reviewers do not always get it right for whatever reason. Jason Kennedy has been reviewing for a long time and I believe he was with HiFi+ prior to The Ear. Here is another positive review by Part-Time Audiophile.
Thank you for the clarification and for sharing your comparison with the Mystique v3. Mike at Tweek Geek is a good guy to deal with and if I was looking for a DAC, having a home trial is a great way to go.
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Hi @mitch2 there are so many wonderful dacs out there and while a great deal is system dependent and which input is used vs which one is optimized vs which one is optimized for our specific systems, aren't we all fortunate to be enjoying hifi today!
To echo @starboard , I own a Merason Dac1 ( I also own a Merason Frerot in my office system). It is quite the performer and I recently read the Ear review and thought "holy crud, what was he listening to? What he described in the review wouldn’t have lasted one track in my system. To further compound the confusion, the Merason Dac1 made their Best Hifi Components of 2021 list. The two digital products on the list were the Merason Dac1 and the Melco N10. Oh well, reviews are data points for our research rather than answers to a question. I am a former owner of Totaldac D1 Tube mkii, Nagra Classic Dac, Chord Dave, Lampizator Golden Atlantic, Aqua La Scala Optologic and most recently, a MSB Discrete Dac with ProUSB and the dual outboard power supply option.
Is the dac1 better than all of these? Well, I guess I would have to say no...but here is the context, both price and performance...no dac is better than all comers. I have found that the dacs I enjoy most are the ones where they are strong at what they are strong at while committing the least sins in those other areas. The mystiques, MSB’s, Totaldacs, etc are all terrific...the Merason Dac 1 belongs in the conversation IMO. I have another dac I own which is also exceptional but it doesn’t fit the price band of this conversation. The best news of all?....we are getting perilously close to a time when a really fine dac can become a long term occupant of a shelf in your systems. My thought process was always "something better will be out in a few years so buy knowing that fact....I no longer feel that way. Its not like next year that a dac will come out and make you feel like your old dac was broken....LOL...20 years ago, that was not the case.
Be well all....
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Hi All,
I was so impressed with my used Mystique DAC that I ordered a new EVO 4B4, which I received in mid-November; so I have been using it for about two months.
It took a while to break in and, at first, I thought I might have made a mistake. The EVO was immediately a bit more detailed and nuanced to me compared to the Mystique but the musicality was not there. The musicality has shown up after the first 100 hours along with what I would call liquidity; a term I have never used before to describe how my system sounds. The other thing I have noticed is that there is a better decay, which provides more sheen to the cymbals and a ring to the guitar if it is on the recording. Overall, the sound is generally better than it was with the Mystique.
The Mystique was a game changer for me as it was that much better than my old DACs. The EVO 4B4 is more of an incremental improvement on all fronts. I suspect that this relates to the old adage that you get what you pay for but there are diminshing returns.
My personal opinion based on keeping the same amp, speakers, transport, etc.; is that there is a price/quality relationship at the less than $2000, $2000 to $5000, and $5000 to $10000 price levels for DACs. This is my perspective based on my personal experience with my gear and the synergy (or not) of my components.
Thanks for listening,
Dsper
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I have been comparing a fully burned Merason Dac 1 to my Mojo Audio Evo. Tony of Ellington Hifi provided me with a trial unit. Let me state that Tony is a great guy and A+ dealer!
So my wife and I have been comparing both dacs over the past 5 days. The Dac 1 has been playing music 24/7 over these 5 days. I should point out that even though the Dac 1 had many hours on it, I found it needed a full 36 hours of playtime to settle into my system. No additional sonic changes after 36 hours of play.
My Mojo EVO dac is an upgraded Mystique 3 that Ben helped me upgrade with his valuable coaching from a distance. Here are the particulars of my Mojo Audio dac:
- upgraded EVO USB input board provided by Ben
- all five chokes upgraded to Lundahl with the all important analog section chokes being the better amorphous type.
- the op amps upgraded to Staccato class A discrete op amps per Ben’s recommendation.
- added chassis vibration control
- WA Quantum chips added to Mundorf 4 pole capacitors
- ERS tape applied on AC inlet area. Very small amount used
This matches up to the higher level EVO offerings when offered last year. Not exactly the same, but pretty darn close.
Ghasly and Starboard are spot on in their review and comments of the Dac 1. It is easily the best sounding dac I have heard at its selling price. The only dac I have heard that sounds as good at $10,000 and under is my Mojo Audio Dac. More on that comparison in a moment. I have owned and listened to some great dacs including the Luxman DA-06, the Aqua line of dacs, Lampizator Amber, PS Audio Direct Stream, several upgraded MHDT dacs and others I can’t seem to remember 🤔.
The Dac 1 has an addictive golden glow that softens the highs just ever so slightly making music so enjoyable and fun to listen to. It offers amazing detail retrieval, but not in an aggressive manner. It’s resolution of inner detail is delivered with a warmish vibrancy that is special. The level of sonic realism is stunning at this or any price point.
So how does it compare to the mighty Mojo Audio dac? Very well! In the end I preferred my Mojo Audio dac ever so slightly, but the Dac 1 came very close to it sonically. The Mojo Audio Evo remained a tad more composed at higher volumes with a greater sense of ease. When music was more complex the Evo dac sorted things out a little better and cleaner. The Evo bass drive was slightly better, but this was close. Finally, the Evo revealed differences in recordings better by not editorializing with any personality of its own. The Dac 1 has a sonic signature that listeners would never notice if not comparing to a dac like the Evo. The Dac 1 has this golden glow of vividness that one hears recording to recording. Initially I thought the Dac 1 revealed details not found with the Evo. After more listening it became clear the same details were there with the Evo, but presented in a less “obvious”manner. Is the Dac 1 too vivid? No. Absolutely no. My comments are only in comparison to the Mojo Audio Evo.
I think the Dac 1 is an astounding value and deserves far more attention in audio forums. I have done my part here. I am confident some would choose the Dac 1 over my Evo in my system and theirs. The dacs are that close in performance.
I honestly felt there was no way this $5500 dac would really compete with the Mojo Audio dac. However, comments from Starboard and Ghasly peaked my curiosity. I was taken back by the stellar performance of the Dac 1. A sonically well balanced dac top to bottom that is full bodied and absolutely beautiful sounding.
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Couple of more comments. I use the usb inputs only on both dacs. My digital front end is as follows:
linear power supply powered modem - Network Acoustics ENO ethernet cable - English Electric Switch 8 powered with a linear power supply - Network Acoustics Muon Ethernet cable - Network Acoustics Muon ethernet filter - Innuos Zenith 3 - Tchernov reference USB cable to the dacs. The dacs placed on a Sound Anchors 225 pound rack with the dacs on Townshend Pods
Both dacs had great body, solidity and never sounded thin. Both threw a nice big stage and imaged like champs.
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@grannyring thanks for the thoughtful post and for taking the time to compare the dacs. I am more certain than at any time in the past that today the performance gaps between entry level, mid priced and the upper end of the price spectrum dacs compare favorably. Not that long ago, entry level dacs sounded broken…Mid level dacs left alot of us wanting and the upper end began to sound like music…today, if you have a border patrol or a merason or a mojo or a meitner they each sound terrific within their abilities.
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@ghasley, you said you have both the Merason Dac1 and Frerot. Could you please describe the differences between the two? I have the Frerot and just recently sold my Chord Hugo TT2 because the Frerot sounds so much better in every aspect for less than half the price. But I don't like having to constantly move the Frerot between my headphone system and my speaker system, so am thinking about the Dac1. But also looking at others. Thank you.
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@bradhaf
The Dac1 is terrific…what system will you be dropping it into?
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Horning Pericles DX2 Ultimate speakers + two Rhythmic L12 subwoofers + AmpsAndSound Mogwai SE 8W SET amp.
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@bradhaf
The Frerot on its own is a very nice dac, competes well with similarly priced dacs, the Frerot with the upgraded power supply is an absolute bargain. The Dac1 is an altogether different beast. A full fledged, highly capable dac with wonderful color, texture and tone. It hits harder while never losing its composure or delicacy. Full disclosure: I have since sold both Merasons. I opted for dacs with volume controls…you cant go wrong with the Dac1 one and it will not be the weak link in your system in the unlikely event you have one at all.
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@ghasley what did you buy to replace them?
Indeed the lack of volume control is a key reason I haven’t jumped on purchased a dac like the DAC-1 only because at present I don’t have a pre-amp (and the added expense of a decent pre-amp would likely be as much or more than whatever dac I’m hoping to afford).
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@dvdboulet
I have a Totaldac D1 Tube MkIII and two Meinter MA3’s. Full disclosure: I have sold off one of my systems and will be selling one of my MA3’s. Its a terrific dac.
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+1 on the Merason DAC 1. Simply fantastic at its $6k price point, an absolute no-brainer at a discounted used price.
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Considering your budget, I suggest reading the Peachtree GaN 1 thread. You might just be selling a lot of the kit you have
hth
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