Jeez guys
How on earth did my thread about ceramic cones under my phono stage morph into the Geoff and Sleepy show?
How on earth did my thread about ceramic cones under my phono stage morph into the Geoff and Sleepy show?
Ceramic insulator cone under phono stage shocker!
I have used small ceramic insulator cones underneath my phono stage for quite some time.
Previous phono was a Gold note ph10 and it did not make ANY audible difference I could detect which way up the cones were so I had left them cone upwards.
When I changed my phono to a Manley Chinook I just left the cones same way.
This afternoon I decided to flip them over so cone down just to see.
I honestly could not and cannot believe the difference!
I may have lost a smidge of low bass but everywhere else is improved in spades.
Much more detail, resolution, air, imaging, dynamics.
Just completely shocking how much better a small change has made.
But I am perplexed why such a huge change on the Chinook where I noted nothing on the ph10?
Any theories here?
Previous phono was a Gold note ph10 and it did not make ANY audible difference I could detect which way up the cones were so I had left them cone upwards.
When I changed my phono to a Manley Chinook I just left the cones same way.
This afternoon I decided to flip them over so cone down just to see.
I honestly could not and cannot believe the difference!
I may have lost a smidge of low bass but everywhere else is improved in spades.
Much more detail, resolution, air, imaging, dynamics.
Just completely shocking how much better a small change has made.
But I am perplexed why such a huge change on the Chinook where I noted nothing on the ph10?
Any theories here?
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The OP of MY THREAD GK was to answer the question contained within. That has been addressed to my satisfaction and so no I do not really have any further information to add to this thread in the direction that you and others have now taken it. I have zero vibration problems with my TT on my rack ( that I am aware of) Now if you desire to carry on within this thread that is fine as long as it stays vaguely on topic but do NOT make stupid statements about myself and my posts, got it buddy! No offense..... |
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The original purpose of spikes was to firmly engage the surface whatever was sitting on. I use three on my subwoofers to firmly engage the floor so they don't walk across the room (minimize vibration). Then like everything in audio the marketing generates a bunch of mythology which then gets a life of it's own. If you think something is going to sound better it will. If you stuff cotton in both nostrils you will dampen airflow to your Eustachian tubes and decrease tympanic membrane resonance. This increases the sound stage depth and improves pace and timing. Hold on, I've gotta go buy some cotton stock:) |
I guess nobody wants to win a prize. And the answer is .... Super Stiff Springs! But the trick is to use two 2x4s, each about 24 inches long. A Super Stiff Spring goes under both ends of both 2x4s that are placed front to back on each side of the rack. This allow you to place the Super Stiff Springs in a very wide pattern, a requirement for stability when isolating a heavy object with high center of gravity. Voila! 🤗 For greater stability place heaviest components on lowest shelves of rack. |
FWIW, under my phono stage (a Herron VTPH-2) I use and have been pleased with an Adona Multi-Element Platform, with attached cones that point downward. I installed it at the same time as the phono stage, though, so I can't comment on how much of a difference it is making, or on how it may compare to something else. In the 12 x 18 inch size I required it cost about $260 plus shipping. The craftsmanship that went into it, btw, in the cherry trimmed configuration I ordered, is something to behold. My wife, who is something of an artist among other things, commented that it is truly an "objet d'art." Regards, -- Al |
The last thing I won was a full-expense paid trip for two to Austin, after my ticket stub at a Junior Brown show at The Lava Lounge in L.A. was pulled out of the lottery hat. Air fare, two nights at the historic Driskill Hotel in Downtown Austin (there’s a tribute to Asleep At The Wheel in the lobby), a rental car, and per diem for food & drink. Also in line at the show was Stephen Stills, who did a double-take when he saw me (at the time I looked an awful lot like Buffalo Springfield-era Neil Young. I occasionally got asked for his autograph ;-). Anyway, I’ve been intending to try the Machina Dynamica New Dark Matter, but as it wasn’t one of the offered choices, I’ll try the Flying Saucers For Windows. Geoff, send ’em to the same place you sent me both your Spring models. By the way, fellers, you really should try the MD Springs yourself. The Best Buy in Hi-Fi isolation! |
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Anyways GK, based on memory of your unexplained removed post. I truly like the idea of losing the rack entirely and if had say just one source would seriously consider it. But with all my gear there would be no floor left in my room! And then the rats nest of cables would be on show for the world to see and cats to chew! So isolation under components in the rack is the best I can shoot for. Yes I can see the potential pitfalls of putting the complete rack on springs, especially mine which is a 5 shelf high unit, teeter, totter whoops! Food for thought indeed. |
Cones can be unstable for certain things like very tall heavy speakers. I once grabbed a 7 ft. tall narrow Golden Sound speaker just before it went crashing through the window at CES in 2005 after someone accidentally nudged it whilst it was on cones. The solution is to place a 18x18 inch board under the speakers and the cones under the board, thus stabilizing the set up. |
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