@mahgister I said, “you are speaking with grave authority on matters purely subjective.”
That’s not “putting a label” on anybody. It’s called, “conversation.”
My bit about people listening to music on phones vs. gear made solely for music reproduction etc. was just a hypothetical scenario I made to prove a point.
It had nothing to do whatsoever with anything you had previously written.
You somehow took that as being all about you; you took it personally.
You said I was “putting a label on you.”
It’s called, “conversation.”
This is all very curious behavior.
You then said I had “limited opinion or understanding.”
An inexplicable statement, given the content of our exchanges at that point, and, more importantly, uncalled for.
“For sure music is not a mere "subjective" mess randomly distributed in all cultures, that we must treat as superficial subjective tastes in a relativistic manner as you suggested ...Those who think so are ignorant thats all..”
I beg to differ.
There are zero people on planet Earth that can “prove” one piece of music is “better” than another.
My friends and fellow musicians (most of my friends are, like myself, professional musicians) know me to be…how should I put it…quick with an opinion.
Sometimes the intensity of my opinions may be described as virulent.
I can be pretty caustic.
I’m also not an idiot and understand that my fancy-shmancy academic talk doesn’t amount to a hill of beans to someone who likes…gosh, I don’t know…Morgan Wallen, for example.
No matter the infallibility of my fluency in music theory, no matter the depth of my understanding of music history, no matter how deep of an understanding of the “nuts and bolts” of music may be, no matter how good at music I am, no matter how persuasive and academically sound my argument may be for the sheer suckiness of Morgan Wallen, it ultimately amounts to a hill of beans to the person who absolutely loves Morgan Wallen.
It would result in a statement no more a “fact” than saying, “pizza is better than hamburgers.”
“Commercial music is not yoruba drumming... The content is not the same at all.... The experience is not the same at all”.
According to whom?
Again, not a fact.
The one reference to empirical fact you have made, your reference to the science that exists to support the idea that music can be physically therapeutic…that remedial listening may be just as effective via Morgan Wallen or BTS as Bach, depending on the person.
“Inform yourself before you put a label on me.”
Classy dude, this mahgister fellow.
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I have no patience with someone who instead of reading my post and trying to understand my argument put words in my mouth...I am not perfect... 😊
My posts were never about the value of my tastes against the value of your taste or against everybody tastes..
Our tastes are our ENTRY door into music ... They are the starting point of our journey they are not our tombstone... Our limitations (tastes) because tastes are also limitations must not be obstacles and justifications of our own ignorance..
i never claim that a piece of music is inferior to another one , and yoruba drumming is not inferior or superior to 17Th century folk music or to Bach compositions...
IS IT CLEAR FOR YOU ?
I said that the rooting and grounding of music in the body/brain and in Nature, the history of music over millenia transmitted in what we called TRADITIONS delimited what is OBJECTIVE VALUES about music...
Commercial music born after Bernays marketing methods MAY lack these interesting growing roots to an extent that some of our "tastes" about commercial music may be too superficial...
I claimed that commercial marketed music is SOMETIMES inferior to any musical forms in human history , by the definition itself of commercial music : a commercial product IMPOSED by artificial conditioning ...
Then i never said that Pygmies music which is rooted as Bach music in an history and in the playing and acting Body/brain in a socially grounded context are inferior or superior...
A.I. produced music so interesting it will be will not be created by musician inhabiting a body and a cultural history... This ring a bell ?
I am not patient with you because you tried to put your words in my mouth...
Then inform yourself... You say that you dont attack me , this is false, you tried to twist my observations to suit your subjective relativism...
For example :
“Commercial music is not yoruba drumming... The content is not the same at all.... The experience is not the same at all”.
According to whom?
Again, not a fact.
Sorry to inform you that science , art, and litterature, and societies are about VALUES, and none of this values are equal... Music created to entertain people in an escalator or used in a commercial mall is not the same as a musical jazz event ...Distinguishing is not condemning.... It is thinking...
Again my post is not about naming names of commercial products to discredit them...
This will be not only stupid, because conmmercial product are also created by embodied musicians coming from their own cultures...
As i said the borders separating "commercial consumerist products" from genuine cultural products is not a clear line ... it is a CONCEPT... This concept is necessary to distiguish music coming from a cultural history with his specific language and and from a human body , distinguishing it from at the other extreme : A. I. created commercial music with no ORGANIC roots in the human body nor in the human real living history...
Is it clear enough?
Or do you maintain that all is equal and relative, our tastes are absolute judges, and our understanding must be stop and lay dormant with our uneducated tastes ?
Myself I dont think so because of these OBJECTIVE facts... About body/brain/soul and cultural history of consciousness...
Calling me "unclassy" and someone who spoke "fancy-shmancy academic talk" will not help you...
And Dont put your arguments in my mouth...
Accusing people of being ELITIST is a tactic i dont appreciate... Elite exist by the way and must be recognized... they must not be imposed and in this we can be in agreement at the condition to respect the existence and concept of elite and not reducing it to relativistic nihilism ...
I dont critic people about their tastes, i critic people who stick to their mere tastes as a rule... or WORST i oppose people who for the sake of their own tastes impose a void relativistic perspectives upon us all ...
Music is a cosmos not a children bathroom for the leisure of workers in their after hours ...It is way more than a hobby... Am i clearer ?
And dont come back saying that i despise workers who relax with their tasteful musical choices each evening with "commercial" product...
I relax too...
But i think too between relaxations...
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A post I thought originally might be fun has gotten way far away from that end.
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Now the greatest protest song ever written after "strange fruit" by Billie Holiday...
Bob Dylan is a bard of homeric times reincarnated...
Music is not about our tastes it is about our life...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3NbQkyvbw18
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I am fascinated by the expressive depth and intensity reach by the Murderer Prince of Venosa Carlo Gesulado and his musical genius..
His tortured music with almost modern accent is the perfect expression of a tortured and devored consciousness in a purgatory of his own...
His music is like a set of flames....
Unique in musical history...
My favorite interpretation favor the emotion content translation instead of accentuating the esthethic aspects for their own sake...
Here too music is about death and life and not a mere distraction....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8iBHVvWxCA&list=PL-z1Tx-3D_SeCkavLkULXYDznGJA1JCzn
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Music is about each times of the day...It is about cosmic tidal rythms...
It has nothing to do with our tastes here... 😊
My favorite album of Sarangi... One of the very hard instrument to learn ...
Inimitable singing voice of a musical event...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wYXEY4htDA
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I will quote here the first commentator under this youtube channel rendition , one of the best of one of the greatest Choral Work Of visionary Bruckner :
«The last performance of Bruckner's TE DEUM ,which Bruckner himself attended, was conducted by Richard von Perger at the suggestion of Johannes Brahms. On his copy of the score, Gustav Mahler crossed out "für Chor, Soli und Orchester, Orgel ad libitum" (for choir, solos and orchestra, organ ad libitum) and wrote "für Engelzungen, Gottsucher, gequälte Herzen und im Feuer gereinigte Seelen!" (for the tongues of angels, heaven-blest, chastened hearts, and souls purified in the fire!). The composer himself called the work "the pride of his life".»
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KeYuPPP1-Qw
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You guys have some nice lists, I will be wearing Qobuz out trying to find some of these. Thanks for posting this, great job @mofimadness
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I was always fascinated by the power of human voice...
Here we can listen a female voice putting a complete metal orchestraq in the background by his strong expressiveness power and content alone...
I dont like particularly metal... But there is revelation eveywhere even in metal music...
Music is not about our tastes...
music is about real power in the cosmos....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8SeYqDDMTX0&t=1542s
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Now the primal rythm of creation in two expressions very different one :
One is the australian aborigenal rythm...
The other is the pure mathematical expression in sounds of the prime numbers distribution which is the cosmic ground itself...
Music is about cosmic rythms aspects perceived by us ... Not about mere tastes...
Creation music :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TAcH8TNkWOQ
Distribution of primes music created by one of the great living mathematician from the primes:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBArTv71Edk
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Music is about a lost past , a forgotten one which can reappear in our own memories (reincarnation exist )
Peter Pringle is a popular singer who let fame and money long ago and dedicated his days to ancient languages, musical ancient instrument reconstruction and pure music born from the relation between cosmos and the body...
A bard like Bob Dylan but ressuscitated from an ancient past...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDRD3c-WAec
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QUcTsFe1PVs
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@mahgister
Your latest post brings things into much clearer focus for me. Thanks for making the effort to keep going until I was able to understand 🙏
This is music experience for me... Not only confort, relaxation, feeling, thinking, but the will to go where no one bodly goes...
This reminds me very much of Buddhism’s emphasis upon a willingness to be fully present in every moment, in any type of situation -- pleasant or unpleasant.-- equally. And it’s made me curious about what it is about (solo) classical vocals that evokes such a strong determination in me not to be present. I was aware of this listening to Alfred Dreller -- the emotional aspect felt overwhelming -- like something I had to "fend off".
On the other hand, I can listen to other music (Blues, for example) that is also intensely emotional, but without the sense of overwhelm. I could say the same for Indian music -- it can be intensely emotional but this type of expression I feel "at home in", just like the Blues, or the Savina Yanatou piece I posted. By contrast, Western Classical music feels quite "alien" to me, like I "don't belong" there. Perhaps this has to do with past lives; I don't know.
There remains at least one aspect that confuses me. When you say :
Music is not ALWAYS about esthetical tastes...It is way more...
How do you separate the "esthetic" from the "more" ? Do you view this in terms of which chakras a given musical piece activates... or?
Thanks for your ongoing patience!
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You already answered yourself to your own question...
A mantra, a devotional song, is not about esthetic , it is more about efficient power to put the mind in a trance state or in another level of attention...
It is more about medecine and ethic than pure esthetic...
Music is more about Power to heal than just about our consumers tastes in esthetic...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2AGyrEV_ze0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tmxb51FFvRQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzhCFO13Q-o
There remains at least one aspect that confuses me. When you say :
Music is not ALWAYS about esthetical tastes...It is way more...
How do you separate the "esthetic" from the "more" ? Do you view this in terms of which chakras a given musical piece activates... or?
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@mahgister
i will try Elliott Carter as suggested by simonmoon... I will go slowly because it is not my "taste"... But i will LEARN something and sometimes miracles happen, and our mind open to new unsuspected possibilities...
Hey!
I didn’t suggest anyone listen to anything from my list 😉
I just listed bands, musicians, and composers that I rate at the highest levels of artistry and skill.
It is totally up to you, if want to explore them.😄
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What now music is all about?
It is about awakening the spirit in the dead or in the living body...
Two masters here suggested how to let it happen by opening ourself to the irrepressible FLOW of joy and energy which is life itself emerging ...
my first persian music album and one of the best ever by Ostad Elahi a mystic sufi who only play to pray and was recorded by his disciples :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vuTVYcLDq9c
Now the same irrepressible energy perceived by Beethoven :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KDpDwZZA248
Music is about objective facts perceived by the soul in itself as in the cosmos...
This had nothing to do with my tastes or yours ...
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Your taste dictate to you that you dont like much Japan music...
You are wrong...
😊
Everybody like poetry...Even when he does not know it yet...
listen to this few minutes each week.... In less than a year it will be among your favorite...
We dont know what we will like the most yet because we dont know ourself...Our attention is over there without us...
Why?
Music is a stuff made only of pure attention and pure awareness...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ayNhc8_oSs8
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Music is about the power of the human voice...
Orpheus had gone to hell and came back by the power of his voice and music...
Music is about objective facts not about our tastes...
Try this about Octavist voices:
What is a bass profundo and an octavist voice:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5B9LREuIa4I
How it sing transporting the chorus on his back as a light backpack or as a boat separating the waves:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJWihxRM9bU
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Oh maannn!! It really seems that music is really about Vertinsky!!
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It is a thread where you must suggest your musical 100 albums...
If you had something to suggest go...
you have the right ...
But one hundred suggestions ask for many posts...
Then this thread is not about me nor about any other idiots😊 as you and me, but about suggestions and also explanations...
Go instead of throwing one line post exclamation without any content...
Oh maannn!! It really seems that music is really about Vertinsky!!
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1. Songs in the Key of Life - Stevie Wonder
2. Where I’m Coming From - Stevie Wonder
3. Signed, Sealed and Delivered - Stevie Wonder
4. Innervisions - Stevie Wonder
5. Music For 18 Musicians - Steve Reich
6. In The Wee Small Hours - Frank Sinatra
7. Watertown - Frank Sinatra
8. On the Corner - Miles Davis
9. Bitches Brew - Miles Davis
10. ‘Round About Midnight - Miles Davis
11. Milestones - Miles Davis
12. Miles Smiles - Miles Davis
13. Dusty in Memphis - Dusty Springfield
14. Tapestry - Carole King
15. Randy Newman - Randy Newman
16. 12 Songs - Randy Newman
17. Good Old Boys - Randy Newman
18. Scott 2 - Scott Walker
19. Scott 3 - Scott Walker
20. Scott 4 - Scott Walker
21. The Drift - Scott Walker
22. Bish Bosch - Scott Walker
23. The Black Saint and the Sinner Lady - Charles Mingus
24. Blues & Roots - Charles Mingus
25. Mingus Ah Um - Charles Mingus
26. Mingus Mingus Mingus Mingus Mingus - Charles Mingus
27. Trout Mask Replica - Captain Beefheart and his Magic Band
28. Lick My Decals Off, Baby - Captain Beefheart and his Magic Band
29. Shiny Beast (Bat Chain Puller) - Captain Beefheart and his Magic Band
30. Doc at the Radar Station - Captain Beefheart and his Magic Band
31. Ice Cream for Crow - Captain Beefheart and his Magic Band
32. Taxi Driver, soundtrack - Bernard Herrmann
33. Fahrenheit 451, soundtrack - Bernard Herrmann
34. Les Stances a Sophie, soundtrack - Art Ensemble of Chicago
35. The Beatles - Beatles
36. The Raincoats - The Raincoats
37. Odyshape - The Raincoats
38. Tago Mago - Can
39. Ege Bamyasi - Can
40. Future Days - Can
41. Soon Over Babaluma - Can
42. Pet Sounds - Beach Boys
43. Fear - John Cale
44. The Velvet Underground - The Velvet Underground
45. The Velvet Underground & Nico - The Velvet Underground
46. White Light/White Heat - The Velvet Underground
47. Homogenic - Björk
48. Berlin - Lou Reed
49. Off the Wall - Michael Jackson
50. The Delfonics - The Delfonics
51. Let’s Get it On - Marvin Gaye
52. What’s Going On - Marvin Gaye
53. Goodbye Yellow Brick Road - Elton John
54. Half Free - US Girls
55. Blood On the Tracks - Bob Dylan
56. Highway 61 Revisited - Bob Dylan
57. Blue - Joni Mitchell
58. Court and Spark - Joni Mitchell
59. Here Come the Warm Jets - Brian Eno
60. Taking Tiger Mountain (By Strategy) - Brian Eno
61. Another Green World - Brian Eno
62. Desertshore - Nico
63. Wowee Zowee - Pavement
64. Slanted and Enchanted - Pavement
65. Crooked Rain, Crooked Rain - Pavement
66. Hunky Dory - David Bowie
67. Station to Station - David Bowie
68. Low - David Bowie
69. “Heroes” - David Bowie
70. Blackstar - David Bowie
71. Either/Or - Elliot Smith
72. Controversy - Prince
73. Sign O’ the Times - Prince
74. Aerial Ballet - Harry Nilsson
75. Harry - Harry Nilsson
76. Nilsson Sings Newman - Harry Nilsson
77. Nina Simone and Piano! - Nina Simone
78. Pastel Blues - Nina Simone
79. Fresh - Sly and the Family Stone
80. Small Talk - Sly and the Family Stone
81. Exile on Main Street - The Rolling Stones
82. Lumpy Gravy - Frank Zappa
83. Hot Rats - Frank Zappa
84. ‘Frisch Mabel Joy - Mickey Newbury
85. Red Headed Stranger - Willie Nelson
86. In Utero - Nirvana
87. Kid A - Radiohead
88. Actor - St. Vincent
89. St. Vincent - St. Vincent
90. Fetch the Bolt Cutters - Fiona Apple
91. Hell - James Brown
92. Hounds of Love - Kate Bush
93. Loveless - My Bloody Valentine
94. La Dolce Vita, soundtrack - Nino Rota
95. Illinois - Sufjan Stevens
96. Carrie & Lowell - Sufjan Stevens
97. Songs of Leonard Cohen - Leonard Cohen
98. Songs From a Room - Leonard Cohen
99. Songs of Love and Hate - Leonard Cohen
100. Cut - The Slits
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Read my prior post, Mr Vertinsky in case you’ve missed being very busy about Vertinsky plz. To that one if I add all albums of FSOL and all albums of The Necks I'll get almost 100 extremely desired ones.
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Last night we went to an ACL Live (taped for eventual broadcast) performance by FLOR DE TOLOACHE, a Latin based duo with an extremely deft band. Trumpet, several guitars and two lead singers who switched off between violin and flute, among other instruments. Powerful voices. I have zero background in mariachi music, but I took it in; the most stunning moment for me was a piece where the group was joined by the guitarist/producer of Black Pumas. He added a different dimension- playing a Telecaster--beautiful fills, slight psych rock tinges.
For me, it's all an adventure of discovery. My tastes vary, depending on mood and the more I've been exposed, the more I can enjoy something that I would have regarded as cacophony or simply strange.
I don't have the time to make a list of 100 right now (power to those who did). And I'd probably change my mind a few times, the more I thought about it.
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Very interesting suggestions... Especially about the japanese jazz scene... I did not remember your very first posting as you said i was busy answering ... 😊
Read my prior post, Mr Vertinsky in case you’ve missed being very busy about Vertinsky plz.
Then instead of throwing sarcasm ....because i suggested mine with my own takes in many posts i like saying why i picked them , anything interesting to say about music in the japan jazz scene?
I like it too because japan musician seems to plays with a soul of their own... I listened a lot of them in the last year... Anyone less well known i must listen to ?
By the way i never answered a poster here by insults or sarcasm ONLY and MERELY WITHOUT arguments about the thread matter... It is my habit to discuss with arguments about a question... Mere sarcasm about people is useless if there is no meat around the bones...I prefer to gave positive opinion about people than the reverse...But i answer to those who prefer the opposite...😊
Why not using our brain with our mouth...
I am not Mr. Vertinsky...I admired him and like this photo expressing distress,sadness, but resilience in this world... Clowns are professionals...
OH! yes my ego is there too much sometimes, but if you trail me you will discover that i try to gave more positive than negative to people...
In the meantime thanks in advance for a recommendation about the jazz japan musical scene...
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the fact that you tylermunns have Watertown on your list is amazing! Such a great record. AND Mabel Joy (frisco, of course)
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@tylermunns...top notch list dude! Very diverse. Need to look up a few of your artists.
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@rpeluso Both of those OG LP’s probably cost me a combined $1.50.
I found an immaculate OG copy (well, warped, but no factor after a nice clamp) of Frisco Mabel Joy on the floor (not even in a carton or box, just on the floor) of a thrift store. I think they asked for 25 or 50 cents.
A few years later I found Watertown amongst the “Easy Listening” (I’m sorry, but that is such a dumb label 😆) section of a record store, the “Easy Listening” section being an entire wall, 10 ft tall, 15 ft wide.
Had plenty of time on my hands, so just started digging through miles of the stuff, most of the LPs covered with the kind of dust you “taste” as you keep digging.
A couple dozen Sinatra LPs in there, pulled out/inspected several, but was intrigued by Watertown. “Hmmm…what’s this one? 1970?…definitely a different type of artwork, presentation, ‘vibe’ from a typical Sinatra LP…ah, hell, let’s give this one a go…”
$1 later, I’m throwing that puppy on my turntable and standing in front of the speakers, mouth agape…”holy crap …this is a very special album.”
Over the past few years I keep coming back to it, and it’s emotional grip over me only seems to grow.
Just remarkable that he would say “yes” to a “concept album” (I’m not a fan of that term, but that’s pretty much what the album is) by Jake Holmes and Bob Gaudio in 1970, give the album absolutely everything he’s got, and somehow it comes off like a contemporaneous Lou Reed, Neil Young, or Scott Walker LP, yet somehow 100% Frank, and Frank somehow retains 100% of his dignity.
There’s not a shred of, “oh, poor guy, he’s trying to stay relevant.”
Not at all.
It’s just a unique, brilliantly written, brilliantly arranged, brilliantly performed, extremely sincere, empathetic, emotionally rich and flat-out gorgeous album.
Sometimes the Record-Buying Gods bless you.
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Qobuz has the 24/192 version of "Watertown". I have quite a few Frank Sinatra albums, but must confess to not knowing about this one. Thanks!
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@mofimadness Not sure how much you dig vinyl, but the OG can be had in EX condition real cheap. Haven’t heard the ‘22 remaster.
I say this not so much as an analog disciple as much as a fan of…gosh, how do I put it…a particular…cinematic(?) quality the LP format of this LP presents, with it’s calculated Side A—>Side B format and remarkable album art.
I also wouldn’t recommend reissues that tack on “Lady Day” as a bonus track.
Even if it was a good song, it messes up the album, and I don’t think it’s a very good song anyway, personally.
Just wanted to throw that out there.
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@mofimadness wait a doggone minute…I just looked at your list and saw 2 compilations…🤔…you said no compilations…
Tisk, tisk, friend…😉
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@tylermunns...I already admitted to that, right above #1 on my list. 🙄
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A list of 100 is much more doable than the Top 10 thread hot on YouTube in the past month, but still a challenge. Of course, the older one is and the greater the number of albums in one’s music library, the more difficult the job. I could make a list of 100, and a second list containing titles I like just as much. Decisions, decisions!
If you have one thousand albums, one hundred is 10% of them. If you have ten thousand, 10% is a thousand. A survey of how many LP’s/CD’s members have would be an interesting one, ay?
If the genie gave us the choice of a $10,000 system and 1,000 albums versus a $1,000 system and 10,000 albums, which would each of us choose? That would really separate the audiophiles from the music lovers. 😉
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Your dilemmas or alternatives expose the problem with us audiophiles...
Because i consider being one if i dream about good sound all my life but never succeeded to create it till i seriously begun 12 years ago...
I only succeeded in the last few years...
First with speakers /acoustic room and second after selling my house a smaller headphone rig...+ smaller speakers...
I succeeded to reach audiophile level 2 times then ...
Then i learned enough to know that your opposition make no sense because i am also a music lover... Money invested in music exceed by much the money invested in rig in my case...
My total cost for my 2 system was ALWAYS under 1,000 bucks...
700 dollars now... I tried to upgrade 2 weeks ago with an investment of 1000 bucks for an a tube amp of great recognition and value but i returned it after 1 hour of trial for a refund...It was evident that one of the best tube amp was worst than my vintage S.S. Synergy matter yes, and the fact that some vintage S.S. are tube like is evident for me now..
This means how my actual system is already very hard to upgrade because it is already a top one with no EVIDENT disturbing faults in the acoustic perceived factors... I was being able to tune my acoustic room by myself and tuning my 100 resonators then i am not deaf and with a hearing of a very healthy man for his age...
Audio is based on basic knowledge and not at all on price tag... Those who think otherwise had forgottent long time ago by obsessive behaviour what are the basic of acoustic and how to use them and they are oblivious of the Ratio S.Q./ price of past high end top products...
My actual amplifier i failed to upgrade it and i cannot upgrade my headphone anyway even if i would have the money without many, many trials and frustration , because they are a unique exceptional design in all headphone history never done anywhere in the last 45 years ...
Then what ?
Any man with a working mind will pick a low cost system which he will wisely choose for a low money cost and keep most of his money for music...
The reverse is preposterous...😁
My situation is exactly what you describes:
700 bucks audio rig+ 10,000 musical albums..
i will die instead of picking the ridiculous reverse choice...
Then your alternatives reflect misunderstandings, not the audiophiles nor the music lovers situation which are the same person in most of us..
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Dont take it personal...I know you know already all of what i spoke about...
I know you were half joking and making a sarcastic proposition... Then i take your post to describe my experience...Because some act exactly in the preposterous way you described in your alternatives...
I wish you the best with my heart...
If the genie gave us the choice of a $10,000 system and 1,000 albums versus a $1,000 system and 10,000 albums, which would each of us choose? That would really separate the audiophiles from the music lovers. 😉
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Anyone know that Willie Nelson song Crazy??
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@rpeluso I think Willie actually wrote the song, Patsy Cline then did a version of the song that is killer.
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Of course. But it's still a Willie song. From my perspective.
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@rpeluso it is absolutely a Willie song, if not for him the song would have never been written, I love his version of the song as much as I do Patsy's. I just mentioned her because when I hear the song my mind goes immediately to the movie of her life. I do love all of Willie's music and him for being...well, just Willie.
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