Should we care if a piece of equipment comes from a pet-free, kid-free, smoke-free home?

The problem with people who stink - and I would put most smokers in that category - is that they don't know they stink.

The same could be said for radicals not knowing how radical they really are, but I'll stick to the topic at hand. 

I don't care if someone smokes on their patio but I don't want a piece of used gear to smell like smoke, and frankly I'm not sure a smoker is fully capable of discerning whether or not there is any odor on the amp/DAC/whatever it is. I have returned gear for exactly that reason in the past, thankfully the seller was honorable but it could have gone otherwise.

You must study the real first social conditioning manual way before Marx who derive all his analysis of social classes from the "market" ideas and values and prices created by Mandeville whom Adam Smith plagiarized completely. Replacing the "vices" after the Fall and predestination background of Calvinist Mandeville by the more innocuous and more presentable idea of selffishness.

Then Marx completely is derivable by the ideas from the " Doctor of the soul" Mandeville whose description of classes fit more today that at the times because they appear more evident than in 1714. Marx is intelligent but not a genius, Mandeville was way too advanced to be completely understood. Even Freud appear less a genius compared to him. ( By the way he was a psy a doctor of the soul and he cured people by listening them speak exactly as Freud will do, but he was not sexually obsessed as Freud , he was interested more by the social phantasms desires of most men like Adler )

The goal of Mandeville before Malthusian politic in the scarcity state of the industrialisation beginings and the first decade of Democracy in England was double : creating abundance with the liberalization and organization of the private "vices" for the benefit of the public "virtue", and also without the tyrannical power replaced by democracy, creating social means of control, the manual for any future economist and politician.

He described if we use modern concept three classes :

The criminal psychopaths , a few , who rules because they had understood how to manipulated with words programming the crowd essentially nevrotic people who dream about recognition , virtue representation , honors, medals, titles, and any created and propagated phantasms.

Under these two clases there is the marginal sociopaths who dont belive in the "public honors and virtues" and who act not for power and control but only for pleasures and the vices they prefered over all .

Now think about the Man who describe the best our societies , Mandeville or Marx?

Why do you think Hayek called Mandeville our Master ?

https://www.maggs.com/dr-bernard-mandeville-lecture-on-a-master-mind_231842.htm

There was a censorship and an underestimation of Mandeville, who was forbid and put on the stake all over Europe... he was presented as a fable creator as Lafontaine and Aesop not and never as a thinker ... He was call the " man of the devil" Man devil , ... Why ?

Adam Smith , Marx and even Freud , he anticipated them all in 1714 creating the concept of the unconscious with the concept of social classes as in Reich and Marcuse . Some genius are way too deep and in advance to be understood in their life time ..

" No man is here (in society) where he think he is " Bernard Mandeville 🧐

@mahgister Like a couple of others, I enjoy your comments and I agree with most of your points about authoritarianism, and fascist and communist political movements. However, I think you misunderstand Karl Marx thoroughly. Your description of communism applies to the likes of Lenin, Trotsky, and Mao who appropriated the language of Marx to legitimize their authoritarian impulses and objectives,

@mahgister Like a couple of others, I enjoy your comments and I agree with most of your points about authoritarianism, and fascist and communist political movements. However, I think you misunderstand Karl Marx thoroughly. Your description of communism applies to the likes of Lenin, Trotsky, and Mao who appropriated the language of Marx to legitimize their authoritarian impulses and objectives, much the way Trump and other authoritarian personalities currently exploit the rhetoric of Christian fundamentalism and nationalism to legitimize their authoritarian purposes. Christian nationalism is a desecration of Christianity equally as offensive as the manipulation of Islam by Muslim radicals. As you said, we all must think for ourselves. As Nietzsche said, if you seek peace of mind, believe; if you seek truth, inquire.

"A man should live by his need, not by his greed"

- Karl Marx

Your description of communism applies to the likes of Lenin, Trotsky, and Mao who appropriated the language of Marx to legitimize their authoritarian impulses and objectives, much the way Trump and other authoritarian personalities currently exploit the rhetoric of Christian fundamentalism and nationalism to legitimize their authoritarian purposes. Christian nationalism is a desecration of Christianity equally as offensive as the manipulation of Islam by Muslim radicals.

As Nietzsche said, if you seek peace of mind, believe; if you seek truth, inquire.

+1, @hce1  .

The left-right division in society is only a tool for nevrotic sheep control as believed and demonstrated Mandeville ......

"A political party is a machine for creating collective passion.A political party is an organization constructed in such a way as to exert collective pressure on the thinking of each human being who is a member.

The first and, in the final analysis, the only end of any political party is its own growth, and this without any limit." Then political parties must be dissolved thought Simone Weil one of the greatest french thinker.

Marx is not Stalin this is a commom place fact... How did this common place fact can contradict the facts i described about Mandeville genius creating the "market" modern idea by justifying it as the only cure for scarcity ?

Marx and Adam Smith were not the genius, Mandeville was.Modern capitalism was thought by Mandeville not by Adam Smith nor Marx. Hayek pope of the neo-liberalism with 8 Nobel in economy call Mandeville his master . Do you understand my historical point ?

We live in a matrix of conditioning of the mind were most people are asleep...

corporate oligarchy govern how ?

Exactly as Mandeville described it the first in history... Phantasm control of the masses by creating watchword as left-right and other secondary unimportant flags.

As Simone Weil thought political parties are a monstruous game played by people who had loose their free mind.

Materialism created the actual techno-cult religion where the leftist people confuse their own sexual biological identity with their phantasm, why ?

Anybody think that it is just a random idea appeared by chance ?

Left-right political identification is a circus to distract people too lazy to think by themselves...

i will stop here... I am way out of the thread matter ... but i wanted to correct a propagandist post or a bad joke with history...