I Don't Understand What Determines When A Thread Gets The Axe
I've only been a member of Audiogon since 2016 or 2017, so maybe some "old timers" could fill me in. I don't understand how threads covering "beaten like a dead horse" topics, for example, oh off the top of my head, "Cable Deniers", can carry on for days or weeks, have pages and pages of posts from Members that frankly get quite ugly with name calling and basically Grade School playground behavior...yet the Moderators never say a word or never step in with the, "This Discussion Is Closed" Czar-like ruling.
However, when a Member like, say @verdantaudio, tries to warn us about Fraudulent Retail Websites AND has proof that these sites are ripping people off, along with proof from other Audiogon Members who provide examples of these sites conducting fraudulent business activities, the Discussion is shut down and closed. WHO decided to close the discussion? The original poster? Audiogon? How do you find out? Better yet, WHY was a topic as important as Fraud shut down after only 30 posts, some with extremely valuable information such as one member who had done a Whois.com research showing extremely sketchy information and another Member who had information about the state of Kansas Fraud Unit investigating one of the companies.
Is it because a Forum Member kept complaining about the post? Do the businesses in question advertise on Audiogon? I'm very curious who makes the decisions on which discussions get shut down and which discussions are allowed to drone on and on with behavior and comments that people would NEVER have the guts to say to one another face to face. I've truly wondered this ever since I joined this fantastic audio community -- a place where I've learned more in 7 years than I had learned in the previous 35 years!
I must say I wasn't at all surprised when I saw the discussion had been closed. After all, a Member had made this cryptic post -- "My guess is this thread won't last." Let's see how long this one does (before it gets zapped, I'd sure like to know the outcome of the Kansas fraud unit that is investigating the company).
Slow down and enjoy the music...
So…I checked today and the domestic site that was supposedly for a business in Kansas is already gone. That was hosted on the Shopify platform and they aren’t going to support open fraud. The only legacy they seem to have is an entry on malware.org saying to avoid them at all costs because they were straight up fraud. the other site is unclear who hosts it and who the CC processor is. That is unfortunately who we need to deal with these sorts of bad actors. |
@tylermunns -- I think I agree with what you said. If I read it to say, "Be big boys and girls -- if there is something you don’t agree with, don’t go running to the Admins like a "Karen In Training" Little Johnny", I could not agree more. I have a copy of the post by @verdantaudio if you care to see it. Again, for the life of me I can’t understand what was said that warranted the "Discussion Being Shut Down" -- unless it was a complaint from a Member that has more pull than you or I. Every time a Member tried Option B, VerdantAudio and another Member provided evidence that shot down the Member’s complaint. I’m glad we got an update regarding the one online company that had a false storefront in the middle of "Bum(you know what) Kansas. It was actually comical. If you Goggle Earthed the address they had listed online, it was a rural farmhouse in the middle of Kansas off a two-lane road with absolutely NOTHING around for miles except for a grain silo and cows. No warehouse, no shipping building...exactly the type of location where $15,000 speakers would be stored and shipped from 😂😂.
Mr. @thecarpathian, I have seen you on this Forum for a long time and know that you post quite often -- sometimes in a spirited manner with other Members. I respect you and what you say, and I can’t think of an instance where you went "over the line". All I can say in response to your comment above: It’s not being unhappy with the way things are run. I very much enjoy this site and the information that is shared openly and freely. What bothers me is seeing "Forum Guidelines" that are not followed at best, or totally ignored at worst, because honestly, I have no idea which posts cross the line and which do not based on the discussions/debates/outright name-calling flame fests I’ve seen over the last 8 years on this site. Don’t believe me? Just go to the Forum Library and search "Cable Deniers", "After Market Fuses", or "Should I Burn In My Gear", pop a huge bowl of popcorn, and prepare for WWIII. Why are post like these that can run 4 or 5 pages deep containing upwards of 300 comments (290 of which contain nothing except rude comments and school yard taunts) allowed to stay up...yet the post we are discussing now which referenced fraudulent activity where individuals had already lost thousands of dollars....gets shut down?
I’m hoping the one scammer got kicked off the online shopping site due to the actions of @verdantaudio and others who alerted the Kansas Fraud Department. I for one tip my hat to Members who publicize these Public Service Announcements to help protect us -- even if it leads to someone running to the Admins. At least SOME WORD will get out if the post ultimately gets shut down. |
