Room Correction Required


I have to part with my Supernait 3. I have enjoyed it as much as possible in a room where I have a 7bB at 80hz hole at my listening position. It starts at about 125hz, bottoms out at 80hz, comes back up around 60hz before dropping into a black hole at 50hz. On top of that I have a serious peak (12dB) at 40-30hz. It makes for an odd musical experience. Obviously this is not the fault of the Naim. My previous unit did the same thing but I was wishing that the Naim would power through it. I also replaced my speakers in the same vain hope. Wishing vs. science..... oops. When I get out of the null zone the tonality is great but I can't be seated that far out of the space without looking really dumb or antisocial. Also the sound stage is wrecked when I get out there.

I have lived in this home for a year and a half. The issue was worse before I pivoted the room arrangement 90 degrees. My partner is an artist and designer, so I have blown all my rearranging capitol for the next 10 years (her words not mine). We looked at adding room treatments and perused the currently available options which look like church or hospital decor; SO NOT HAPPENING (her words again but I have to agree- yuck).

As a result, I need an integrated with room correction. Yes, I'm sticking with an integrated because I want a minimal gear set.

-TT via Gold Note PH-10/PSU10, outputs either balanced or single end.
-Prefer built in streaming to lose another couple boxes but it's not a deal killer. Current DAC outputs balanced or single end.
-Powering MA Silver 500 7G, not looking to change these.
-Single Revel B112v2 Subwoofer (not currently in use as the 500's are already peaking in the same range)
-TV, currently input optical to the DAC.

The top contenders are:
Anthem STR (no streaming)
NAD M33
Lyngdorf TDAI 1120 (the 3400 is not budget friendly).
Yamaha RN-2000a

So if anyone has experience with these units I'd like to hear about it. Also, I know it's going to happen and god bless you all; someone is going to tell to reposition my speakers (been done), stuff the ports (been done) get room treatments (ummmmmm nope?) and buy Luxman, Sudgen or something else because of __________ (fill in the blank). That's fine and I appreciate the advise but I don't see any of that happening in this room anytime soon under the current design driven regimen I live under.

Thank you all for taking a look!

mitchellcp

Roon DSP won’t work with Vinyl or a TV input. I used it to handle my streaming input and it works well. I need a whole system solution however. I’m counting down for STR arrival.

For TV I just use a good quality soundbar.  
 

Regarding vinyl, I have lots of albums but don’t play them much anymore.  Roon and Qobuz has taken me over.  When I do play a record, I generally play it once and convert it to digital, add it to my library and stream it via Roon from there on. 
 

But yes DSP integrated into the hardware is a very flexible way to go for multiple sources beyond just digital audio streaming with Roon.  
 

 

@mitchellcp ,

 

I paid 4k shipped for fully loaded 3400 year and a half old (with receipt) less than 2 months ago. There was another one, at that time similarly priced. 

@mitchellcp Your description of the problem is a classic example of how standing waves cancel and reinforce bass in a room, depending on frequency.

You can fix the peaks with room correction but not the dips!!!

The reason you can't fix the dips is that the amplifier power is being cancelled at the null frequency. You could put 10,000 Watts into that cancellation and it would still be cancelled. So room correction won't work on its own!

You need to break up the standing waves. That is the way to fix this.

You break up standing waves by having subwoofers placed asymmetrically about the room. Since your main speakers already play bass, you really only need to add two subs to fix this. This kind of approach is known as a Distributed Bass Array, and causes bass to be evenly distributed about the room.

Normally you'd want the subs to not reproduce anything above 80Hz (in most rooms) so as to not attract attention to themselves.

At 80 Hz the waveform is 14 feet long. It takes the ear a few iterations of the waveform to know what the note is (it takes one iteration to know its there). So by the time you know what the bass note is, its bounced around the room several times. This means that bass is entirely reverberant.

So that also means that a mono signal can be used for bass in most rooms below 80Hz. This won't be true for really long rooms.

This fix will take care of about 95% of your problem- enough that you many not consider doing the remaining 5%. That 5% is what the DSP and bass traps can do; IOW they are maybe only good for about 2-3% each.

Put bluntly, room correction is a waste of time and money until you have the standing wave issue sorted out.

I agree with above. I need a system which will give me some good bass management as opposed to no management at all.