Streamer Selection - Thoughts Requested Please!


I have been talking way to much to myself on my next purchase - a streamer, no DAC. I have reached the point of going round and round with the same three streamers - Innuos Pulse, Auralic G1.1 and Aurender N150.  Mid $3K price range max.  The Auralic G1.1 list just dropping by $1K to $2,249.  The Innuos Pulse list is $3,250 and the Aurender N150 is at $3,500. Would be open to lightly used to upgrade my choices but the upgraded next step in each product line is a significant jump.  

I began streaming with a Blusound Node 2021 Gen 3 which I converted last year with the PD Creative board LPSU and added an SBooster P&P Eco power supply.  This was an improvement in my digital listening using the BS node for the DAC and streaming mainly TIDAL. Six months ago I added a Schitt Yggydrasil LIM (Less is More)  and oh my goodness what a difference overall.  I have the BS Node connected by an ethernet cable to my router.  Use an iPad to run BlueOS and the Tidal app.  The BS node is connected via USB to the Schitt Yggy.  

I don't have a need for storage or playing CD's.  Reading a few threads here have convinced me that a streamer upgrade with my system will provide better sound overall.  How much is certainly an open question but I am willing to go forward.  The rest of my system is a First Watt F8 amp, Modwright LS100 and Modwright 9.0 along with a Clearaudio Concept table and Zu Dirty Weekend Supremes.  

Whats important to me would be the sound quality, an app with solid integration with Apple and TIDAL.  I am leaning to Aurender as their players/transports are "streamers" / no DAC, they seem to integrate well with Apple and the Conductor app gets mixed reviews but mostly is well liked.  I am just not sure if with my present system it makes sense to be over $3K for a streamer, although if down the line I move on from the Yggy, I wouldn't want to then add a new streamer.  

Please jump in with thoughts, suggestions and let me know if I have missed any important criteria or other approaches/audio streamers.  Thanks in advance.....

norust

let me step in here. Audiotroy, you are wrong on many fronts and don't understand how hardware/software works.

"electrictrical noise"? You bring up cpu's when you tried to explain noise. The cpu's that any 3rd party server uses are not specifically built to run Roon. For example, Auralic runs/used to use the Tesla G1 cpu. Do you think the Auralic engineers went to the Tesla chip manufacturer and told them to make a unique processor to run Roon? Do you think Aurender engineers went to Intel to ask them to build the chip they use to specifically run Roon? Come on, nobody believes that, and Intel/Apple/AMD would laugh at somebody that would come in to ask them to build a specific chip to run a specific app that you would only sell a few thousand of them, if Intel/Tesla would design/build such a cpu, it would cost millions of dollars for each cpu. Aurender claims they run a low powered Intel chip and you stated the same, but if you compare Intel cpus to Apple or AMD Ryzen cpus, intel is not low powered, why do you think Apple went away from Intel. 

Another misconception you have is your statement: "We run Roon in its own CPU core". You have no control over this, it's how Roon is built, its out of your hands. Roon uses multithreading which utilizes a single cpu, it isn't written to multitask/parallel process over multiple cpu's. This is why the bigger the music library is/ or the more endpoints you have, Roon will eventually saturate the cpu its running on, that's why if you have a large music library, you will need a faster cpu. Most enterprise software multitasks/parallel processes over all the cpu's in the server to prevent such bottlenecks.If you look at your system resources running Roon, you will notice that cpu is getting saturated whereas the other cores are idle.

Your years of testing are flawed IMO. What would you test?  What does your testing actually consist of? You bring up cpu's, do you actually test the noise difference between an M2 Apple cpu vs a Tesla G1 cpu vs the low powered Intel cpu? No. Do you actually benchmark different flavors of linux? No. Every streamer is a server, it has a cpu, memory, and an OS. How many iterations of each of these components have you tested? Did you test the Tesla G1 cpu using Ubuntu v18 vs Ubuntu v20? How about Fedora? 

Bottom line, you don't know which cpu is the noisiest. You don't know which OS is the most efficient or the best OS for say USB or i2s. I do know that most of the streaming servers run a proprietary/tainted version of Linux, and with this, you either have to have the manufacturer update/or fix any OS issues, or if they are out of business, you will have to hire a Linux hacker to tweak the system. I don't use any hacked/proprietary/tainted Linux on any of my servers. 

Audiotroy, I used to use USB many years ago. Sure it worked, that doesn't mean much when the sq of USB is so bad! Why are there tens/hundreds of tweaks from companies to try to improve the sq of USB? Have you heard of the reclocker? How about the off-ramp device? Femto clock? Jitterbug? IFI cable that separates the power from the data? IFI Ipurifier? Regen? I can go on, but why.

Also, in some of the recent stereophile reviews of high end dacs (even the review years ago stating the dcs network module sounds better than usb), the reviewer preferred the sq using the other inputs other than USB. Also, some of the best 2023 dacs don't even include USB. 

Since you are a dealer. if somebody buys a dac and uses USB, you will be right there to recommend 1 of many tweak products to make usb sound better.

@rbstehno 

You have long believed USB is categorically bad. Tech keeps on evolving, if one is using a dedicated streamer with USB output, USB is equally capable of delivering higher performance equivalent to SPDIF/AES and i2S. The final sound quality would also depend on implementation of these protocols within partnering DAC. Jitterbug was specifically designed for applications where general purpose laptop or computer being used as streamer as general purpose computers are inherently noisy. 

i2s requires careful selection of components as handshake between the two components is not given. I guess these handshake issues pave way to DDC re-clockers. IMO, they are totally unnecessary if you are using a high quality streamer + DAC. 

DAC’s with Ethernet cards (renderer) are the way to the future for anyone looking for one box solution. I agree, this type of component has a potential of a very high resolution sound. But then again, someone with deep pockets may disagree, you know that separates vs one box argument.

When it comes to streaming, there are so many ways to skin the cat! 

When it comes to streaming, there are so many ways to skin the cat! 

@lalitk So true!  I tried a Jitterbug with my Dragonfly Red in my HeadFi system years ago and it totally sucked the life out of the music and I returned it.  Also, I’ve read that Holo DACs are actually optimized for USB, so there ya go.