Weak Link in Vinyl Playback


Hi Everyone,

I’m looking for some input on a weak link in my system, mostly in regards to my vinyl playback chain in a 12’x11’ room.

I currently have a Technics SL-1700 MK1 with an AT-VM95ML cartridge. The turntable is connected to an iFi Zen Phono. The phono is connected to a Schiit Saga S via 3 ft. Blue Jeans BJC LC-1 cable, and the Saga runs to a single Schiit Vidar by the another set of the same cable. The Vidar is connected to Elac Debut B6.2’s via 10 ft. Belden 50000UE cable (as an aside, my digital path is Pro Ject S2 Pre Box Digital connected by the same 3ft. interconnects to the Saga>Vidar>speakers). I’ve connected a sub previously (a Martin Logan Grotto I that I inherited) to the Saga in the past, but am currently running without it.

My concern is that while the digital path sounds full to me, at least as much as can be expected, the vinyl path sounds a bit thin and weak. I guess I’d describe it as kind of lacking energy. My gut tells me the Saga S having 0 gain in both the passive and buffer mode (I run it in passive mode because it sounds more lifelike to me but I’ve used the buffer in the past as well) is the reason for this, but I’m not positive. I’m ready to upgrade to the Freya S if that’s the solution, but I didn’t want to start throwing money at a problem without really narrowing it down first. The Zen phono is set to MM and gain 1, which should be correct for my cartridge, the interconnects aren’t overly long (the speaker cable being 10’ isn’t too big a deal, I think?), the Vidar should be driving my inefficient speakers with no issue and judging by the digital path, it is. 

I’m hoping someone here can weigh in on what would make the biggest positive impact in my listening and give me the oomph I think I’m missing. For what it’s worth, I plan on doing some room treatment down the road, but that’s not what I’m looking for advice on at the moment.


Thanks!

owl9113

For the level of setup you have, I'd spend a couple bucks on a cartridge upgrade.

The concern with cables if unnecessary.

@tablejockey thanks for replying! You feel I'd get more from a cartridge upgrade the a pre-amp upgrade? Any suggestions you can provide?

Try a 95SH stylus on your cart.

I don't have the AT-VM95ML but I have an AT-VM540ML and an AT-VM95SH on separate headshells for my Technics SL-1200GR. The 95SH gives a fuller, more rounded sound with a slight decrease in overall detail.

I understand that the cartridge or tube phono stage can "color" the sound differently so to speak, but will these address the lack of energy when listing to vinyl? From what I've read online about the Schist volume controls, it's normal to have to go past the 3 o'clock position to get reasonable volume, but I can basically max the volume and still get a kind of anemic sound. This isn't so much of an issue with digital sources because I keep the DAC locked at full volume and the Saga isn't doing as much lifting there.