Why Do Cables Matter?


To me, all you need is low L, C, and R. I run Mogami W3104 bi-wire from my McIntosh MAC7200 to my Martin Logan Theos. We all know that a chain is only as strong as its' weakest link - so I am honestly confused by all this cable discussion. 

What kind of wiring goes from the transistor or tube to the amplifier speaker binding post inside the amplifier? It is usually plain old 16 ga or 14 ga copper. Then we are supposed to install 5 - 10' or so of wallet-emptying, pipe-sized pure CU or AG with "special configurations" to the speaker terminals?

What kind of wiring is inside the speaker from the terminals to the crossover, and from the crossover to the drivers? Usually plain old 16 ga or 14 ga copper.

So you have "weak links" inside the amplifier, and inside the speaker, so why bother with mega expensive cabling between the two? It doesn't make logical sense to me. It makes more sense to match the quality of your speaker wires with the existing wires in the signal path [inside the amplifier and inside the speaker].

 

 

kinarow1

The first Cowboy Junkies album, Trinity Sessions is a great example of a stereo mic set up.  The original record has some faults but this album is a work of art from the music (I appreciate this music) to how it was recorded and the location.  The re-released record which came out a few years ago fixes a lot of the audio issues.  I appreciate the original but I listen to the new version now, also because it has two extra songs.  The new version does better at catching the ambience of the church they are in.   I feel that I am sitting inside that church while they play their songs.

This style of recording is much appreciated on a good rig.  Close mic'd multi mix down brings lots of things to hear in a high resolution rig, but these stereo mic recordings feel much more natural.  Both types are fun listening for me.

@donavabdear 

There's a lot packed into that post. So...

I don't think there is any relation between a recording setup and playback. There is a relationship between recording monitoring and playback. In both cases, you want a room that doesn't colour the sound and accurate monitors.

Regarding recording itself, recording engineering is like all engineering - it's trying to find the least bad compromise within the limitations of the available technology. There's a place for simple one or two mic recording techniques, just as there is for multi mic'd and multitracked recording and all points in between. But, at the risk of stating the obvious, there are massive differences in the quality of recordings made with all those techniques.

As far as high fidelity playback is concerned, the system is indifferent to the kind of recording it's fed. I want the playback system to recover as much information as possible regardless of how that information came to be on the recording in the first place.

@donavabdear ​​​​​​

Paul of PS Audio, I've met him he seem like a great guy, what could make him pick another companies very expensive cables over PS Audio's own (I've bought them myself)? The answer is Paul needs to make money and he can make much more money selling Dragon cables than his own cables (especially at $34,100). Simple.

This is just an assumption. That's not good enough as anyone could make any claim. The imagination is the limit.  

If the Dragon pc and PS pcs are just snake oils and no better than each other, then logically Paul could have earned even more money making his own superdooper Dragon killer snake oil pc and sell it for 45K. Who is to stop him? 

Instead he confessed that the Dragon pc is superior and that's unusual in business. 

 

 

You arrogantly put me down and won’t deal with anything I’ve said. You call me a name dropper I simply used Al Schmitt because he is a known commodity and spoke of the principle we are talking about, maybe you would listen to what he said. Try to be nice.

WTF are you talking about? I never called you a name dropper.

As for the part about Audio Precision analyzers, they're taking measurements and looking at graphs, not listening. They're missing the forests for the trees, conflating what they hear in their system with a graph. Again, the signal still gets through and better cables will reveal that in your system .

All the best,
Nonoise

@knownothing Sorry I didn’t answer your well thought out response. Here is where we were talking past each other.

you said:

I also maybe misinterpreted your point to mean it is hopeless to use way more expensive cables than the recording studio, because you might be trying to score a 12 out of 7 in replaying the recording, and that is just such a ridiculous concept, right? Nobody would claim that. Right? At least I haven’t read a single post in this thread where anyone claimed that.

I assumed that smart audiophiles wouldn’t waste money by spending such large amounts of money percentage on particular components like boutique cables. This is what I mean by creating information because of the money audiophiles spend on cables. Have you ever hear of anyone using the proper terminology saying this cable is closing the deficiency in my signal by adding such and such frequency, easy to say nope they say as well as every manufacture say these cable add air, space, musicality, depth, soundstage to the presentation...... It’s not a matter of semantics it’s a matter of fraud.

Nobody will answer the question - if you put a firehose in-between two garden hoses everyone knows it will do no good why is it that so many people think inserting an expensive cable between regular conductors is going to make a difference? That is exactly the question I asked all the cable manufactures I saw at AXPONA none of them had an answer. Thanks for being thoughtful.