Why Do Cables Matter?


To me, all you need is low L, C, and R. I run Mogami W3104 bi-wire from my McIntosh MAC7200 to my Martin Logan Theos. We all know that a chain is only as strong as its' weakest link - so I am honestly confused by all this cable discussion. 

What kind of wiring goes from the transistor or tube to the amplifier speaker binding post inside the amplifier? It is usually plain old 16 ga or 14 ga copper. Then we are supposed to install 5 - 10' or so of wallet-emptying, pipe-sized pure CU or AG with "special configurations" to the speaker terminals?

What kind of wiring is inside the speaker from the terminals to the crossover, and from the crossover to the drivers? Usually plain old 16 ga or 14 ga copper.

So you have "weak links" inside the amplifier, and inside the speaker, so why bother with mega expensive cabling between the two? It doesn't make logical sense to me. It makes more sense to match the quality of your speaker wires with the existing wires in the signal path [inside the amplifier and inside the speaker].

 

 

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How about I hear a change in sound when I change banana plugs or replace a fuse.

And I have an Atoll In200, Aquarius DAC, and 'heavely' modified Infinity Beta 50 speakers 😁

 

 

Why do you have to lift speaker cables off the floor?

Lifting the cable off the floor lowers the cable’s total capacitance, which can make a difference to the sound of your system in either or both of two ways: The first way is by directly affecting the frequency response of your speakers.5 Oct 2020

Bunking Cable Lifters - Positive Feedback

I tested in my system by lifting the speaker cables, and the bass generally got a lot weaker.

Put the cables back on the wooden floor and the bass is back now.

Took some towels and threw them on the cables now the bass is fuller with beautiful extension. Keep he towels where they are :)

 

 

Paul McGowan of PS Audio admits that AQ Dragon pc is far superior than PS best power cables.

Does PS Audio still make power cables?

Is Paul deluded or is he a charlatan? Why would an owner of a HIFI firm recommend someone else gear? Come on people.

You really want to know if cables matter, go to a HIFI store and ask for a demo on a system that they chose. It is as easy as that.

But you wont. 

 

 

 

@donavabdear ​​​​​​

Paul of PS Audio, I've met him he seem like a great guy, what could make him pick another companies very expensive cables over PS Audio's own (I've bought them myself)? The answer is Paul needs to make money and he can make much more money selling Dragon cables than his own cables (especially at $34,100). Simple.

This is just an assumption. That's not good enough as anyone could make any claim. The imagination is the limit.  

If the Dragon pc and PS pcs are just snake oils and no better than each other, then logically Paul could have earned even more money making his own superdooper Dragon killer snake oil pc and sell it for 45K. Who is to stop him? 

Instead he confessed that the Dragon pc is superior and that's unusual in business. 

 

 

Yes, apparently they can hack a credit card if they just know the school name.

@donavabdear you can discuss and argue here till the end of time about your expertise and how cables don't matter, or you can just go to a hifi store and ask them for a demo on a system of their choice and get converted.

You will never ask for a demo. 

😀

@donavabdear

Cables make a huge difference for many.

Therefore, you will not convince people here.

You have the opportunity to test at Hifi store and experience something different, but you refuse.

You are not a seeker but a preacher.

You are not misunderstood you don’t need to explain more. You will never ever change your mind. And that’s fine.

 

 

 

And again why is it that audiophiles think they can add any information to the sound with expensive equipment and cables

Not adding, but revealing.

Better equipment and cables sound better and usually expensive. 

My AQ Fire rca cables are more revealing than my previous AQ Water, and cost more.

 

 

@knownothing ​​​​​​

Let it go, it is a lost case. He exists in his own little world. 

@donavabdear you are welcome.

I’m no expert, but experiments showed me that even the quality of the pc connected to the linear DC power supply matter.

Why? I have no explanation other than cable material and structure shapes sound. Could be that cables are like bottles filled with water, they come in different shapes but the water in them is still water just delivered differently. 

I experimented with using combinations of different occ/silver/ofc wire types to supply my power conditioner. This works almost like an equalizer. I enhance the sound character by changing the wire combination.

Why do you use expensive power cords if you don’t believe in them?

The thing is, you are not curious and don’t want to try and experiment.

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@johnk ​​​​​​

I do see a lot of pseudoscience or faith type recommendations with many not understanding confirmation bias or ohms law.

Have you demoed these recommendations and confirmed that they were false?

If ohms law is what matters, then using a thick lamp cord should give very good sound.

Its just it sounds great for me and when I bought the new costly cable it was better.

How to know your opinion is not based on pesuedu science, faith, or confirmation bias?

Consider that tjag has no name location or feedback but frequents an audio sales site posting trolls attacking members with high feedback. And he insists he only sells over seas. Ask yourself why? Is he shilling, is he a troll or bot? I’m a real person how really is tjag?

You just wrote that for the second time!

You think if you repeat it often it will have stronger effect, What are AI?

Dude... 

Guys who witnessed what just happened, please consider reporting JohnK for his behavior here.

What the hell was that???????

I felt like I was in an episode of the Looney Tunes

@reimarc 

Very interesting and smart.

I am sure your ICs sound good, the intressting question is how good? 

Have you compared the performance of your ICs to known brands in the market, or just to the Mogamis?

 

@donavabdear

I’m convinced by @rodman99999 and his article he pointed me to that cables do make a difference in a measurable way. So you all have convinced me! See I wasn’t a troll after all. Thanks.

​​​​​​​​​​You believe "up till now" based on an article not on experience.

 

I imagine there is a difference between audio engineers and audiophiles when it comes to listening to music.

Audio engineers or audio reviewrs could prefer an amplifier such as the Benchmark AHB2, which is neutral very detailed, but dull and lifeless. It exceeds in accurately playing the source fed into it.

An audiophile prefers musical amplifiers over analytical ones. Many use tubes to induce second harmonics into the music. So for me, if my system could improve on Anthony Hopkins’s voice by introducing some harmonics I would be very happy with that.

@cleeds ​​​​​​

Audiophiles have various preferences. You can’t lump them all together.

True. 

Reading reviews online, the majority I found appreciate musical amps, hence the connection to tubes. 

 

It’s a lot more difficult to get a good orchestral recording. Frequency range, dynamic range

I noticed that. Could you recommend a good recording? 

@reimarc

Thank you for the inspiration.

but I would never spend more than a couple of $100 on them.

Wait till you hear better sounding interconnects. You might then gladly part with money to own that sound. ☺

If you ever decide to purchase expensive cables, buy second hand. I got my AQ Fire RCA cables for 1/4 of the original price.

 

I found this tutorial for a DIY interconnects using silver wires with interesting aircoil design geometry aimd to achieve low L and C.

TNT Aircoil MKII Interconnects

Product: TNT AirCoil mkII, no-compromise DIY interconnect cable
Manufacturer: not for sale, TNT-Audio DIY design
Manufacturing cost: between 100 and 250€
Reviewer: Piero Canova - TNT Italy
Reviewed: December, 2021

 

Tutorial for the building of TNT Aircoil MKII Interconnects

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How do they sound?

We have tested these cables in several systems and configurations. Tubes, solid state, single ended, balanced, lengths ranging from 70 cm to 2 meters: there was never any issue of compatibility. I cannot honestly say they were clearly better than every other cable they were compared with, but for sure, they weren’t inferior to the other cables and, in many cases, we are talking about cables that are very, very expensive and exclusive. Several times the owners of the systems asked me to make, for them, some cables to replace those they had. Overall they are excellent, but in my view, they excel in four aspects: bass frequencies, soundstage, time coherence and speed. In bass frequencies the increase of clarity is evident; thin solid cores remove the bloat generated by thick fat cables, clearly improving the quality of sound. Thin wires minimize time smear allowing a much better coherence across the entire frequency spectrum. Low capacity design and no screening means a cable that is super fast in responding to transients. Honestly, I don’t have a good explanation for the soundstage, but width and depth of the virtual stage are substantially increased where the system allows for it.