Why Do Cables Matter?


To me, all you need is low L, C, and R. I run Mogami W3104 bi-wire from my McIntosh MAC7200 to my Martin Logan Theos. We all know that a chain is only as strong as its' weakest link - so I am honestly confused by all this cable discussion. 

What kind of wiring goes from the transistor or tube to the amplifier speaker binding post inside the amplifier? It is usually plain old 16 ga or 14 ga copper. Then we are supposed to install 5 - 10' or so of wallet-emptying, pipe-sized pure CU or AG with "special configurations" to the speaker terminals?

What kind of wiring is inside the speaker from the terminals to the crossover, and from the crossover to the drivers? Usually plain old 16 ga or 14 ga copper.

So you have "weak links" inside the amplifier, and inside the speaker, so why bother with mega expensive cabling between the two? It doesn't make logical sense to me. It makes more sense to match the quality of your speaker wires with the existing wires in the signal path [inside the amplifier and inside the speaker].

 

 

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I never heard of the term, sealioning before this. Thanks...I learned something new.

 

//And again why is it that audiophiles think they can add any information to the sound with expensive equipment and cables (yes, some people have delt with this question but I think they were all recording engineer who understand this concept.) //
 

Is this what we're dealing with? Better cables (and some that do cost more) get out of the way of the music. What a waste of time and effort.

All the best,
Nonoise

@donavabdear 

Just like with your legion of straw men arguments and appeals to authority, meant to deflect from the actual subject (which is your wont), projection is another of your ploys, accusing others of some religious fervor when it's you trying your level best to convert with all manner of nonsense arguments. 

All you do is proselytize and then end you mini rant with some lame proverb of sorts meant to make one think of oneself as placing themselves above others. You need help.

All the best,
Nonoise

For a guy who accuses others of using straw men arguments, you flood the field with scarecrows. 

You arrogantly put me down and won’t deal with anything I’ve said. You call me a name dropper I simply used Al Schmitt because he is a known commodity and spoke of the principle we are talking about, maybe you would listen to what he said. Try to be nice.

WTF are you talking about? I never called you a name dropper.

As for the part about Audio Precision analyzers, they're taking measurements and looking at graphs, not listening. They're missing the forests for the trees, conflating what they hear in their system with a graph. Again, the signal still gets through and better cables will reveal that in your system .

All the best,
Nonoise

Yes, +1 steakster

The signal is there all the time just waiting to be freed from the confines of a poorly made cable. The old saw about cables good enough to record with are all you need is a red herring.

My speaker and IC cables wouldn't last a week in a recording studio as they're fragile, comparatively speaking, not made for constant pulling, yanking and inserting. All that metal in robustly made terminations degrade the sound. Same for the overkill built sleeving and (if they need to use it) shielding. 

A cable that can get out of the way of the music will do a better job revealing the music that's always been there, dying to get out.

All the best,
Nonoise

It's the same old tired argument told in as many ways as they can collectively think of: that it's all in your mind. Talk about weak tea. They have absolutely zero rebuttals to mentioning this other than to go on and keep saying it, like some kind of mantra. 

Kinda like clicking your heels together and saying "there's no place like home, there's no place like home..."

And then all the bad guys go away.

All the best,
Nonoise

Recording sound is a different process than playing back the sound. Microphones are not same as speakers. What you are playing back from is a finished product. You're starting all over again when playing back so getting the best out of it is a new game. 

The using the same cabling used in recording during playback argument is no more valid than the one about all that cabling that comes before your outlet, or the ones in your amp. They're all red herrings. 

An old and talented sound engineer with lousy hearing, crappy speakers and whatever limitations he's under knows what to do to get the best sound just like some deaf composer can write a symphony and know how great it will sound. 

All the best,
Nonoise

 

 

 

 

An objectivist is just a subjectivist who thinks he/she has the better argument.

Great point and if I may borrow the power cord to a lamp analogy, some here think that just because sound comes out the other end when using basic cabling, that they’ve accomplished something and there’s nothing more to be done.

Nothing could be further from he truth.

All the best,
Nonoise

I see the mob carrying flaming torches and pitchforks approaching! 

No, you and your mob beat us to it.!  What's with all the projection? All of your critiques can be turned around on you and your kind, which they have been in the past. You just seem to take sadistic delight in fanning the flames in support of anyone who brings up this dead horse of an argument. Always have.

Despite your insults (which are bourne out of losing so many arguments in the past on this subject) anyone with half a brain and two good ears can hear the difference. 

All the best,
Nonoise