room size question.


( wasnt sure what category to put this in ,so figured this one would get more views)

 

in watching some you tube videos, one from Jays audio lab, and another one from Paul ( ps audio ), they both mention how the speakers should be set up in the room and it seems they bring them out into the room quite a bit.    they say that when this happens, you have the soundstage and jay was mentioning that there are layers that one gets to hear when listening.

my question i guess is that can this same thing happen in a smaller room, say 12x12 or is one just limited to say center imaging due to room size ?

room is treated

 

this is the ps audio video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x63RORq8JMw

jays video 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZOWcvbfNZw

bshaw

@thyname 

 

mine didnt come with brackets as the idea was to have them on the stands as there was not enough room to hang them on the side walls and it wouldnt be even either....so went with the stand option.                             i can either get the brackets or i can just take it off of the panels and swap them around.

 

i have wondered though about placing something on the back wall i have....as all i have is a small curtain for the window and the bass corner traps that are stacked 2 high.      wonder if a panel(s)  on that blank space would do anything ?

A few speakers are designed or are tunable (via port stuffing) to enable placement closer to the rear walls. It's just a matter of how the load the room acoustically. Monitor Audio Silver 300 7G are one. In my room,   I am able to get them within 18" of the back wall and 30" from the side walls with the lower port stuffed and still have male and female vocals that aren't muddy, and bass extension to the around 40Hz. FWIW, I've tried and no way I can get my Magnepan LRS (need more room) or KEF LS50s (they're nearfield monitors) to work in my room. I also have 9 - 24" square by 2" acoustical panels on the ceiling - these made a huge improvement in a very high 12- 15 ft sloped ceiling room.

@bshaw Yes the models are different but the example is applicable. Both models are dynamic driver / enclosure design.

The M2 is quite a nice choice as smallish two - way designs have come quite a long way.

My current ' stand mount ' mains are a two way design with rear ports which are placed near the ' front ' wall and perform in exemplary manner for imaging.

The example that I cited goes to demonstrate that a speaker - enclosure can be placed nearly against a wall and function well.

The 12' x 12' room ' constraint ' seems to be the immediate concern given:

my question i guess is that can this same thing happen in a smaller room, say 12x12 or is one just limited to say center imaging due to room size ? ".

The lower the ceiling the greater a smaller space would be affected but a symmetric room is more predictable acoustically. Also note that a ' small room ' - acoustically - could be as much as 700 sqft as an example.

In general terms damping the room at one end and diffused at the opposite can work well. As with almost any rooms frequencies below 200 Hz will remain as difficult to treat in an easy way. 

None of these ' circumstance ' preclude good imaging though. 

Large playback systems like the examples used in the videos listed can deliver exceptionally high SPL levels in a large room. A different goal. 

 

 

 

I would unplug the subs first, and experiment with the monitors only.

I just did a reread & I read this by @grislybutter  , did you ever give this a try?

Also, in that previous listening space which you have alluded to, did you have any gear between the speakers?

@bshaw 

I had a professional acoustician design my room and I built it while my speakers were being built. Check out my system on my page. 100 percent absorption. I have no reflective surfaces (actually there is no drywall inside the room)   besides the door behind the chair. I hear the direct sound from the speakers. The room is probably considered dead by most standards. The sound is phenomenal ! Wide soundstage, amazing center image. A consultation from a professional would be worth your time. I used Jeff at hdacoustics. He is superb. Good luck!