Esoteric DV-50: Any cdp's Significantly better?


Is there are anyone out there who has compared the Esoteric DV-50 to a number of dedicated red book only players (or other universal's) and found one that is SIGNIFICANTLY better?

I stress significantly because in my humble opinion the redbook playback (if comparison unit is just a cd cd player only )must be significantly better to justify losing DVD-A, SACD and DVD-Video capability.

I keep hearing there are better one box solutions and being a die hard 2 channel fan I would sell my DV-50 if I found a player in the same price range that sounds significantly better. But every time I do an AB comparision to other well respected units the DV-50 has slayed each and every one.

So far, it has eaten the lunch of the Classe CDP-10, Ayre CX-7, Linn Ikemi, Cairn Fog Vers. 2, Cary 306/300, Arcam DV 27A and CD 33T, Myryad CD 600, etc. It even betters a Sony SCD 777ES/MF Tri-Vista 21 transport/dac combo that I previously owned. I'm only comparing the DV-50 to single box cd or universal players, but I just wanted to mention the Sony/MF combo. I'm sure there are some dac/transport combo's that will handily beat the DV 50.

Some may say that the DV 50 should beat all the above because the of price point ($5,500 vs. average price of $3,000 for the above players). But I disagree since conventional wisdom says that stand alone players (especially with the pedigree of those mentioned above) should produce better redbook than a universal player trying to be a jack of all trades. Only the DV 27A does video plus audio. By the way, I was very impressed with the 27A as just a cd player. Of all the above I would say the Ayre was the best.

Next on my list is the Electrocompaniet EMC 1UP and the Resolution Audio Opus 21. However, I must tell you I am really impressed with the DV 50 and all the great reviews are absolutely true. I've noticed that many people who are using it or comparing to other players are using the RCA analog outs instead of the balanced outs. There is a significant improvement in sound if you use the balanced outs and I'm only interested in hearing comments from people who have compared it against other players using the balanced outs on the DV-50.

My system components are as follows:

B&W N803's speakers & HTM-1 center
Cary Cinema 5 (5 x 200) amp
Anthem D1 Statement pre/pro
Esoteric DV 50
Acoustic Zen Satori Shotgun speaker wire
Nirvana SX balanced interconnects from DV-50 to Anthem
Acoustic Zen Matrix reference II interconnects from D1 to Cary
No after market power cords or isolation equipment

My system sounds great! Those who comment please make sure to specify what specific improvements you heard over the DV 50 and what cdp were you comparing it against.

AVGURU
avguru
Beer? Seriously, Tom, you're welcome to join us. As soon as everyone lets me know when they can make it, date and time, along with what they'd like to demo, I'll post the info.

Brian
Assuming the modifiers are doing the same full-out mods, why is the Denon 3910 better than the 2900 as a base unit for modifications? Is the transport mechanism that much better?

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Kerry
Musicfirst, I made it from the ilness. I am going trough my emails and phone calls slowly but surely. Did we get in touch? If not, please email me.

The 3910 has a slightly better signal processor for the PCM (CD, DVD-A). The difference is subtle. The SACD processing of 3910 and 2900 is identical. The 2900 achieves the same performance as the 3910 when it comes to my re-design (modification). The problem is that I can not preserve the video capabilites of the 2900 due to limited space in its enclosure.

When it comes to why there is a big difference between 2900 and 3910 with other well respected modding companies is because the DACs and PCB layout of the 3910 are much more advanced than the ones used in 2900. As for the actual transports - they are identical.

Regards,
Alex
The DACs and Digital stage of the 3910 is much better than the 2900. With stock players you can't tell this difference because the analog stage is so bad in both players. Once the analog stage is brought up to snuff (as done by many of the modders) the difference (improvements) really come to the surface. Also the 2900 has been discontinued so the modders dont want to tackle something where the parts are going to be increasingly hard to come by.