Disappointed w/ Klipsch Heresy III. Now what?


I'd be very grateful for some help with a quandary.

I recently replaced my Ohm Walsh 1000 speakers with Heresy III speakers, running two-channel from a Rega Brio. I was pretty excited about the Heresy IIIs based on reviews — they were efficient, so my 35-watt amp would get the job done; they were supposed to have real punch in the low mid-range, so I could hear the upright bass clearly; they reportedly had excellent imaging; and best of all, they were supposed to sound great at low volumes. They are also indisputably beautiful, which was an important factor for my wife. (The Ohms are elegant, but you have to be an audio lover to see their beauty.)

I set them up, and . . . not so bad, pretty good. Especially loud. In fact the louder the better. Crank them up and they sing. But loud is not really an option with a new baby. So how do they sound quiet? They sound like the band is trapped in shoe box. Really in two shoe boxes because the L and R don't merge that well. The sound stage is tiny. All the detail is gone, the joy is gone. They are no fun at all. Music just seems like a bunch of noise.

But I want to believe! I want to make these speakers work. So I am faced with a quandary. I could:

1. Buy stands, a subwoofer and a tube amp, all of which people in various forums have recommended to improve the various failings I hear now.

2. Replace the Rega with something much more powerful and pull the Ohms out of the closet. (Suboptimal because it will make my wife sad because of the aforementioned perceived ugliness.)

3. Just start all over again. Different amp, different speakers.

I'd kind of prefer number 1. But I don't want to end up with a bunch of stuff designed to solve a problem and then not have that problem solved! (And I'd also just as soon avoid getting a subwoofer.)

Final note. Positioning is an intractable nightmare. It is the one thing that I can't really change, because of how our living room is layed out. It is obviously a big problem though. The living room is a big rectangle, 18 x 40 feet, and the speakers are near the corners of the 18-foot ends, on either side of a couch. I can move them around — closer or further from the couch, closer or further from the wall. But I can't raise them above the height of the couch or move them out in front or over to another wall. That discussion went nowhere!

What should I do?

 



brooklynluke
I've used various horn speakers for decades and maybe they do sound bright if you use crap to drive them, but otherwise that's simply not true. I dragged Altec A7s around years ago and those things are anything but bright…the horn in those is basically a mid-high thing. Something like the Clair Brothers JBL boxes that were around years ago could peel paint with brightness, but I think that was the sound mixer's (or a Phase Linear amp's) fault, as is excessive brightness from phased array systems  these days. I currently use PA speakers with titanium driven horns (both small-ish Mackies in my home recording rig and generally larger self powered stuff when mixing live shows) that sound like whatever I want them to, and Heresy IIIs, especially once broken-in, aren't overly bright but actually clear sounding when paired with high quality gear…I use a single ended 12 watt per side tube power amp and a tube preamp with the Heresy IIIs (and 2 REL subs…you kinda need a sub with Heresy IIIs) and they sound clean as a whistle, and if I put my Schiit Loki EQ in the mix (rare, but it works swimmingly when needed) you can see exactly how they work. Although it seems like a lame cliche', the Heresy IIIs sound kind of like live music, which is the highest compliment I can pay to a speaker design.
Brooklynluke. I realize you have to consider the family opinion and optimize your space, but nothing will make up for proper placement. Place them where they sound the best, mark that place and position them there when u want to do serious listening. Some have said they will sound good with a good quality amp, be it SS or tube, but my experience with horn speakers is they need a quality tune amp or preamp, to offset the horns. As I mentioned before, you can put a rheostat on the midrange, if that's the offender, to reduce that frequency. 
Horn speakers do not need tube amplification to sound great.  Both the Avantgarde and the Klipsch sound just as good with solid state as they do with tubes. 
I think any great speaker (including the Heresy III), especially efficient ones, respond to the "first watt" principle where the quality of the amp is immediately apparent. I happen to like tube stuff, but there are countless well designed and voiced SS amps that are great sounding. Note that horns like the Heresy III versions utilize modern and relatively common titanium drivers in both the tweeter and mid horn, and they're simply rendered more efficient by horn loading. Nothing exotic or even "special" going on there.
There are way too many things that go into matching amplification and transducers.  There is no right or wrong amp to use with anything. It's 100% personal preference.  What too many folks don't take into account is that not all tube amps 'sound' like tube amps.  Tubes are tons faster than the faster SS devices.  Audio Research amps don't sound anything like tubes of yesterday.  They are very very fast and tonally outstanding.  CJ, AR sound very very different now days.  Both are tubes (mostly).  I have owned Jadis, Aesthetix, CJ, AR, Quicksilver, Rogue, Counterpoint and many others over my lifetime.  I have also owned Krell, Ayre, Levinson and a ton of others.  They all have their own sound signature and they all play better in the sandbox with certain speakers.