Disappointed w/ Klipsch Heresy III. Now what?


I'd be very grateful for some help with a quandary.

I recently replaced my Ohm Walsh 1000 speakers with Heresy III speakers, running two-channel from a Rega Brio. I was pretty excited about the Heresy IIIs based on reviews — they were efficient, so my 35-watt amp would get the job done; they were supposed to have real punch in the low mid-range, so I could hear the upright bass clearly; they reportedly had excellent imaging; and best of all, they were supposed to sound great at low volumes. They are also indisputably beautiful, which was an important factor for my wife. (The Ohms are elegant, but you have to be an audio lover to see their beauty.)

I set them up, and . . . not so bad, pretty good. Especially loud. In fact the louder the better. Crank them up and they sing. But loud is not really an option with a new baby. So how do they sound quiet? They sound like the band is trapped in shoe box. Really in two shoe boxes because the L and R don't merge that well. The sound stage is tiny. All the detail is gone, the joy is gone. They are no fun at all. Music just seems like a bunch of noise.

But I want to believe! I want to make these speakers work. So I am faced with a quandary. I could:

1. Buy stands, a subwoofer and a tube amp, all of which people in various forums have recommended to improve the various failings I hear now.

2. Replace the Rega with something much more powerful and pull the Ohms out of the closet. (Suboptimal because it will make my wife sad because of the aforementioned perceived ugliness.)

3. Just start all over again. Different amp, different speakers.

I'd kind of prefer number 1. But I don't want to end up with a bunch of stuff designed to solve a problem and then not have that problem solved! (And I'd also just as soon avoid getting a subwoofer.)

Final note. Positioning is an intractable nightmare. It is the one thing that I can't really change, because of how our living room is layed out. It is obviously a big problem though. The living room is a big rectangle, 18 x 40 feet, and the speakers are near the corners of the 18-foot ends, on either side of a couch. I can move them around — closer or further from the couch, closer or further from the wall. But I can't raise them above the height of the couch or move them out in front or over to another wall. That discussion went nowhere!

What should I do?

 



brooklynluke

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I feel your pain. As a owner of Klipschorns and Cornwalls, I can tell u Klipsch speakers are very efficient, but not necessarily pleasing. From your post, youre wishing they were not as "loud" as they are. Unfortunately, that's the sound of a horn loaded speaker.  EQ may help, but there are a lot of purists that think EQ is a four letter word. The only way I know to get a warmer sound is to get a high current tube amp. The extra power is needed for those Cymbel hits and deep woofer sounds. I don't think u will ever get rid of the loud sound without it, and probably won't even then. That's just the sound of a horn.  Room treatment is sometimes overlooked. Absorbers and diffusers may help. Try to cover any glass, such as windows or pictures. I recently removed all the glass from my pictures. I realize the wife factor, but just saying. Try to make a triangle of your speakers and listening position, with no glass coffee tables etc. Place them out from the walls and try an intimate triangle with your listening position and the speakers. One inch in placement can make all the difference, as well as toeing them in. However in the long run, you're still going to have horn loaded tweeters. 
Brioklynluke:  Horn speakers by design, tend to be very bright. I own a set of Khorns as well as Cornwalls. At one time, I installed a rheostat on my midrange horns on my Khorns, to turn the midrange down. It worked well. I guess a good EQ, could possibly do the same thing. IMO, horn drivers perform best with tube amps. Due to their efficiency, u wouldn't need an amp with a lot of power. With conventional drivers, a good tube preamp, bolstered by a mosfet SS amp will prevail, but not necessarily with horns. Try a good quality rheostat, to turn down your midrange. They're relatively inexpensive as far as experimenting goes. Having said this, placement is critical. Make some make shift stands at ear level and try to bring them closer together. U can put painters tape on the floor to mark their spot and bring them out, when doing a serious listening session. 
Brooklynluke. I realize you have to consider the family opinion and optimize your space, but nothing will make up for proper placement. Place them where they sound the best, mark that place and position them there when u want to do serious listening. Some have said they will sound good with a good quality amp, be it SS or tube, but my experience with horn speakers is they need a quality tune amp or preamp, to offset the horns. As I mentioned before, you can put a rheostat on the midrange, if that's the offender, to reduce that frequency. 
I have to disagree with the former posts abouit horn speakers not sounding bright.  I have powered both Cornwall’s and Klipschorns with different amps. They have a tendency to sound bright to me.  We all hear things differently.  As I suggested, you can move your speakers to their proper positions, when doing serious listening.  U can put a rheostat on the midrange or get some tube amps.  Do some research. I think you’ll find my opinion bears out-or not. It’s all trial and error, hopefully not much error😊