ok my bad gpowered , jdoris what post of yours was missing , i responded to it but mine never made it on thread . it was not insulting or anything that should have been censored . |
okimaybe wrong but is jdoris really gpowered?? Goodness. What makes you say that, Cwazz? |
No cwazz he is not. He asked emailed me w/ questions about the Pendragon though... |
And for another turn of events... I just placed an order for my 2nd pair of Tekton Pendragons this evening! I was able to try a very expensive exceptionally built and very good sounding $9K loudspeaker but ended up with the realization that the Pens are REALLY that good, and there are no better speakers for this audiophile. There is something special that the Tektons do that other speakers cannot seem to get right... speaking for the Lore and P-Dragon that is. This guy studies live music and his designs replicate it better than any other speaker I have owned.
Dare I list the herd of speakers I have owned in the past 3 years again
This will be the 1st time I returned to a speaker I got rid of. In a couple weeks I will have a new pair of Pens in beautiful satin white. What a ride it has been. I am truly blessed! |
okimaybe wrong but is jdoris really gpowered?? |
Wow, this thread has taken some twists and turns. Here's another. I have the Tekton Lores, really nice speakers. I also have a pair of Tekton Katz Meow V1 since about Sep 2010 but hadn't played them in my main rig since I got the Lores (which replaced the Omens...see my earlier posts in this thread if you like). I got new 2A3 tubes for my amp, JJ 2A3-40s and they put out a lot more low end than the Shuguangs I had before, so I decided to try the Katz again to see how they sound. That was 2 weeks ago and they're still up there, they sound great. So now I have the Katz in my main rig, Lores in the 2nd rig in the LR. We'll see how long that lasts. But my point is that maybe there's another option @ $1,500 which is what the Katz V3 sell for. Note that the Katz I have are 2 revs old, so I assume the newer versions sound better, don't know for sure. I might also add that at this point in my audio journey I'm a complete Tekton homer. I assume that at some point in the future I'll look back with fondness at the good old days when I had Tektons, most likely with much more expensive speakers. But for now please consider the source when you read my posts ;) |
Zmanastronomy:
Posts calling people idiots (and ideots) -- or worse -- are common on these boards, so if the problem is that my post was insulting, that standard must be *very* selectively enforced. FWIW, I don't think the post was insulting; it certainly did not involve discourteous or demeaning language.
Cheers,
John |
What did you say? I say try again! |
Jdoris. I think it might be because it was a insulting post toward the person selling the item. I was disappionted when I saw the post. I had nothing to do with the deletion, but since these posts are regulated, it's easy to see why it was deleted. |
One of my posts to this thread was deleted after being posted! Didn't know that happened! The intrigue thickens . . . . :) |
Audiofeil, Hundreds of posts and this is your first on this thread... and that's what you have to say. No wonder you've got a horrible reputation on AGon. |
Sorry, but the last post is pretty funny... nuf said about that!
My Lores are pretty nice for a 1k pair of speakers though.
; ) |
I drove my lore with a primaluna 1 and sounded really good. Last weekend I decided to experiment th lore with a high power SS amp(tad125 hibachi mk2) and a mingda mc7 with response audio mods. I knew this mono block will be too much for the Lore.The lore sounded fantastic with this mono block and I decided to keep this setup for a while. The amps are overkill but for some reason the Lore opened up alot more and i heard a nice tight low end that I was missing with the Primaluna. |
For some varied experience...even though the Lore's sensitivity seems to be accurate, we are using the Lores with a Naim Nait 5i and a Naim CD5/Flatcap.
The combination is stunning! All components were bought used for around $2,500 and I am amazed at the sound quality of this second system for such a low price.
Not concerned about bass rolloff or frequency extremes with this speaker. |
Thanks for the comments Rsfphil . Remeber I had the NHT SUPER ZEROES with the NHT subwoofer . So it took some time for my ears to adjust . I still miss the bass from the sub , because in my opinion it was also tighter , but the Lores are a keeper for me. |
I think we should also remember the original question. Best floorstanders under $999 for low power SET amp?
For 1 grand the lores ares a heck of a buy. As a matter of fact Tekton could have have charged much more.
So, I just want to say thanks Eric for making such a great sounding speaker at a very reasonable price. |
I own the Lores and I have to agree with Cwazz on this one. I think 30 may be a bit optimistic. If we're talking about a flat response I think 38-40 would be more accurate. Anything below that and the bass starts to roll off. That being said, most of the music I listen to doesn't go much below 38-40 and I am pretty mush satisfied with the bass. I think a stand up acoustic bass goes down to about 40. It's only when I play some very complex (and loud) orchestral music that the Lores can run into a little bit of trouble. They can only move so much air. That is why I'm upgrading to the Pendragons. If I was in a smaller room I would probably stay with the Lores. |
Np Zman . Mikirob just go back and read ALL the post from Gpowered , that should prove my point . I am not atacking just defending myself . Now for you ,, I do not care what you maybe hearing , I stand and always will that the Lores do not go down to 30 hz. Can we keep the language in here clean and in English ,,bloviate ?? what is that even ?? :) |
>>09-05-11: Cwazz Zman ,,can you please explain to me what a "ideot" is<<
A person who can't spell idiot correctly. |
Cwazz, not attacking your opinion of the speaker I am questioning your attack on Gpowered; and, if you don't want an attack on your opinion don't attack my statement on the quality of bass in my room. You don't live here so you couldn't possibly know. I spent a lot of time with the placement of these speakers, my systems are top quality, so bloviate all you want, but you are a wrong-headed fellow. |
Ok guys please calm down a bit. I really would hate to see this turn into a flame war. I've really enjoyed the read so far. |
Mikirob I have no ax to grind . What am I way off base on? With respect to your pro bass credentials I still find it hard to beleive that someone can say they go down to 30 hz . If you like the speakers then great I am happy for you , but do not attack my opinions on the speaker . Which for all but the bass ,are positive . |
It's an idiot with a foriegn accent! |
Zman ,,can you please explain to me what a "ideot" is . I could not find that in any English dictionary. Gpowered , my comments have always been genuine , you have just proved yours were not . You are right when you say I am not interested in the Pendragons , I said I was happy with the Lores , but unlike you , I will hold onto them longer then six weeks. |
Thanks to gpowered, zmanastronomy, sebrof, and this particular chat I first bought a pair of Tekton 4.5s, was impressed by them so I went and bought a used pair of the Tekton Lore. They are everything gpowered and Zmanastronomy, sebrof, said they were and more...Cwazz, you are way off base and have a ax to grind that is irrelevant to the information given here on this speaker, that info helped me find a really good speaker that works great with low-powered SET, and in my room the bass does get down to 30hrz. I'm a pro bass player, it is correct and tuneful. |
Rsfphil: NO, you did not mistake... your room sounds perfect. In my room, I have to sit about 6ft from the speakers and that is too close. Your setup is ideal for this speakers. You will love them. Looking forward to hearing your impressions... |
Cpapace - How big is your room? I have the Lores and ordered the Pendragons. I hope my room is big enough. My room is 22 x 14 x 7 with the speakers on the long wall. The speakers will be about 3' from the front wall with one speaker about 6' from the side wall and the other about 4'. I'll be seated about 10' from the speakers. I hope I didn't make a mistake. Gpowered - Feel free to chime in. |
Cwazz, I don't normaly say things like this. But you have proved yourself worthy.... You're an ideot! |
Steidlguitars: fair enough. Obviously the product was good enough to WOW me and that is not easy. There are not many products that have excited me like that... and I've had way too many!
Listen carefully to Cpapace comments - reconciles nicely with my review...
Cwazz - you and both know you are NOT interested in P-dragons anyway so what's your point? Enough with the games... my actions do not "magically" make your comments become any more or less genuine than they are were before. |
SIX, 6 weeks!! not even time for them to be fully broken in . I stand by all of my comments on this thread , PLEASE go back and read them . Then read Gpowereds . Zman , you say "so give him a break, his zest for something good and zeal to share with others is a bennifit to all." Really , he does?? How does it benefit me that he proclaimed the Lores the greatest speaker , then sells them , buys the Pendragon , proclaims even better the the Lores then in six weeks sells them?? I do not know if he is fickle or is just a frustrated stereo reveiwer. |
Hi. I got hear the Pendragon's last week. It is to bad we all don't live close enough to get a demo.
I think anyone hearing them would really enjoy them and give them a big thumbs up :)
And I yes I think they would compete with speakers costing much more. I've heard some pretty expensive ones.
But I will say this. They are definatley bigger and may not be for every room. When you walk into the that is what you would notice.
My listening room is simply too little for a speaker that size. So, I would rather have the lore or m-lore for my setup. Great sounding yes! Has the bass, Yes! Price point for what you get wow! wow! wow! Size, big for my room size.
As for the finish. I agree the standard finish is not typical of many hi fi speakers.
In speaking with Eric you realize that what he is trying to do is to bring top quality sound at an affordable price point. So the looks may not be quite as interesting as some other products on the market, but the sound is there and more :)
PS I am almost finished with my latest project. I shoot some picturs when I'm done. I hope to do at least 2 more speaker projects before it gets too cold or snow outside. I love the cold,but without a garage my speaking building is limited to the summer.
We need a new thread. Great sound speakers for under $3000. Just Joking |
> Word to the wise: do not even consider length of time somone keeps something... > it is irrelevant.
Irrelevant? Let's not get carried away.
There are certainly exceptions, but I'd suggest that when most of us find a piece of gear that really clicks, we keep it for considerably longer than six weeks.
Obviously, we respect your right to buy and sell as you wish, but to sell equipment so soon after describing it with such a fervor makes me think you're a really fickle 'phile!
Which is to say a bit farther down that path than the rest of us loons. ;-) |
Restless_times: really? Was my Lore review that far off? Did you not say that you were going to purchase a second pair you liked them so much? Did my review help you in making that purchase decision? Then why would you doubt my Pendragon review... ? If anything this should give it even more credibility, as this will hush the naysayers who accused me off being affiliated with Tekton Design.
Word to the wise: do not even consider length of time somone keeps something... it is irrelevant. |
If I could make a profit and try something interesting, I'd sell my pronounced best speaker too!!! I thought GP done a great review of the Pendragon. And his comments on the Lore were spot on. So give him a break, his zest for something good and zeal to share with others is a bennifit to all. Gpowered, I hope you aren't discouraged by anyone. I might sell my Corvette if a Ferrari came along at a great price. |
Wow, Gpowered....... just wow. Are you aware that you now have zero credibility? |
From your review of the Pendragon, Gp: Bottom line thus far: this new P-dragon has the potential to be the best speaker I have heard! It is leaving nothing to be desired. The fact that you sold them in 6 weeks (!) might give readers an interesting perspective on your statements. ;) Certainly one can see why readers of this thread and the review would be surprised, no? Anyway, enjoy! John |
09-03-11: Cwazz "ok after reading gpowered latest coment I DEMAND apologies from everyone who slammed me in the past on this thread!"
NEVER!!
; )
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Please understand there is nothing in my review of the Lore or the Pendragon that needs to be rectified. Let's have some common sense - NO $2,500 speaker is going to have $10,000 speaker build quality, but in case of the Tekton's they do rival much more expensive designs in sound! That's where Cwazz and I differ! I could have easily stayed with either speaker had I not chosen a different path. And a 10 year old design or not, keep in mind that the Greybeard speaker I have now retailed for $9K back in 2000, which means $15K today... and in allot of ways P-dragon beat it. It just wasn't the best speaker for my room. I think that is a tremendous testimony.
Here is the bottom line: regardless if the product is exceptional or just plain good, whether it is $1K or $20K, the newness always wears off and the temptation to move on to something else arises (some of us worse than others).
I for one am not afraid to make changes... I've been doing this long enough to know I can just as easily put another fine system together. Just ask my wife... lol. |
Cwazz, I certainly think you get to gloat a bit, after following this thread (actually was interested in Zus not Lores). 6 weeks for the Pendragons, and then shunned for a decade old design from a company that's out of business. That might be a record! :)
Might be appropriate to update your review, Gp. :)
Ain't this fun?
John |
ok after reading gpowered latest coment I DEMAND apologies from everyone who slammed me in the past on this thread! |
I have another very relevant point I want to make... some of you remember, I drove my Lores with 25wpc Quicksilver Mini Mites. It was a perfect match and my recollection of the sound was one that was about as perfect as it could have been. That was one SWEET system for $2K! I then had a chance to get the P-dragon at the intro price, and jumped on it... but to make room it meant stepping down in amps (a big gamble), and I then used a XindaK MT-1. The Xindak is also a very nice amp, but I never thought I had the same match as I did with the Quicks... although it was getting better by the day before I chose to go in this new direction. I think with 12 watts and mostly weekend listening
it was just taking a while to break the speakers in.
I now have a Marsh A400s driving my Greybeards, and I "think" I am back to a great matching system again. I have been blessed that most of the time when I make changes, I end up matching equipment well. But I have to say with the P-dragons it was a decent match but I just know it would have been a different animal with those Quicksilvers... FWIW |
Hey guys! I suppose I need to clarify a few things. Telescope is right on.
My dealer buddy ended up taking on trade a pair of Greybeard KB 2/1 speakers and offered them at an insane price because the co. is out of business and frankly, most people have not heard of the company. The Greybeard KB's 2/1s sold for $9K back in 2000, and the cabinets alone likely cost $2K to build - 2" thick would and finished in slate. Also, all scan speak drivers/tweeter and they have quite an addicting sound as well. Knocking on the cabinet is like hitting a stone wall, lol!
In many ways the Pendragons were the best speaker I have owned. While the sound completes with many $5-$10K speakers, the build quality of course does not. The build quality is good though
just not quite at the level of a serious high end speaker. But +they are not far off! I think adding Black Hole dampening would just set these apart and be the icing on the cake. The good thing about Eric is, as a custom builder, he could do it if someone was willing to pay the premium. And the only reason I say this is because I now own a speaker with a bullet proof cabinet.
The Pendragons recreate the "live" sound amazingly well (better than my Greybeards)! and the bass had the most impact and slam out of all of the speakers I have owned. The bass is also very tight, and in fact on the last day before packing them I was seriously rethinking and regretting my decision to sell them but they were just not the best fit for my room. Although my room was likely just big enough, due to the layout, I have to sit about 5-6.5ft from the speakers and they are just not really designed for that.
As far as the Lore vs. Pendragon, see my review of the P-dragon in the reviews section. In my room, I likely should have stuck with the Lore. Although it does not have the slam and low end of P-dragon, it is better suited for small to midsized rooms and/or near field listening. In other ways I think the two are quite similar while the Pendragon is completely full range and leaves nothing really on the table, the Lore seemed to get 3D and disappear a little easier but I attribute that to the fact my room was better suited for them and single driver speakers typically do. It is always about tradeoffs.
But make no mistake - the Pendragon is an excellent speaker and my selling them had to do with the timing of the Greybeards and the fact that they were not the best speaker for my room. I did hear that Eric is designing a mini-Pendragon though, and that should be interesting
So there you have it
you know I always call it how it is guys. Hope this helps. -GP |
You know what, I just plugged in my new Lore's and I'm pretty impressed with what I'm hearing?!? I can even hear them opening up as I listen..."2 hours, so far!"
I really didn't know what to expect since I was moving from one of Danny Richie's speakers "AV123 X-Statix"
Liquid, Detailed "although I can't tell if they are more detailed than the open baffles yet?!?",Tight Bass "placement is kind of a b%^ch so far", Accurate, Musical. These are just some of the things I'm experiencing as I listen.
I'll keep everyone posted!
: )
GEAR:
Pre: Dodd Tube Buffer - 6H30-DR Tubed, 12v Battery Operated
Amp: Dodd Audio EL84 2 Channel 34wpc Prototype - JJ EL84, Tele E88CC, 12v Battery Operated "Coming Soon"
DAC: PopPulse "Modded" Bur Brown PCM-1796
Phono Pre: Dodd Audio Tube "Gary's First circa 1980" Ha!
TT: Pro-Ject Debut III - Jury is still out on this thing?!? |
No, I think he got a good deal on another pair of speakers, and while he liked the Pens, he liked the other speakers better, and had an offer on his, so he let them go. |
why he sell them? What , he find the latest ,greatest speaker of all time for the money ,,,again!? |
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He sold the Pendragons already!!??? |
Gpowered:
I believe you sold your Pendragons, correct? Do have your Lores anymore? I am interested to hear your thoughts on how the Pendragon compares to the Lores. Thanks. |
Jwidd: Yes, the iDecco will drive the Omens to an uncomfortably high volume level without clipping. |
Cymbop: I have a pair of Omens as well as an iDecco. The iDecco normally lives on my desktop connected to a pair of Era D4s. I've tried the iDecco with the Omens a few times now and it sounds just ok. To be honest, I much prefer the 2wpc Bottlehead S.E.X. amp with the Omens. But while the iDecco is less than stellar with the Omens, it is quite good with the D4s on my desktop. |