The only time I heard a SS amp with this type of speaker was when I compared Zu Omens and Tekton Lores at a friend's house. He hooked his Carver amp to the Omens and within a minute we all agreed we needed to hook up the tube amp we had there. The tube amp was much better for the Omens, so I assume the Lores would have sounded bad with the Carver also.
How the Emotiva fits in I do not know. |
My opinion. I would get the Tekton's because they're tons cheaper and Eric is probably putting out equal quality speakers because he's trying to gain a name for himself. He worked with the Zu guys and being a smaller outfit, can cater to your needs a little better. From what I see on Agon, most people play with flea watt and then leave it soon after. There's no sense in breaking the bank in this economy. |
Capellaudio - looking closer at your post, it sounds like you are big into home theater. In this case the Emotiva amp may be ok. I have not owned Emotiva (with the exception of a VERY brief stint with the pre-amp), but from what I have heard at 2 Axpona shows, it is great for home theater... but I was not that impressed for music even with their own speakers. After listening to high quality for years, it just sounded less refined and natural to me and at times sibilant. This year's Emotiva set up was better, but not enough to make me walk out the room saying "I have to have that."
Why don't you wait a week for me to receive my Pendragons. I have a Marsh A400S (200w solid state) that I am going to break them in with... and I will have a report on how they sound with a powerful ss amp. I also believe the Marsh is a cut above in quality compared to Emotiva and can be had for the same price on the Gon. |
Go with primaluna 1, 2 or even with the 7. They really make the lore shine
Happy listening. Dan |
I ran my Omen Defs with a Pass XA 30.5 and it was amazing. I have had Emotiva though and I do not think the Emotiva will bring out the best in the Lores. I would recommend a Class A, warm amplifier. A DIY first Watt F3 for example would be a much better option than the Emotiva for around $500. |
Home theater review just put an m-lore review up. It's a good read. |
Here you go y'all
http://hometheaterreview.com/tekton-design-m-lore-loudspeaker-reviewed/ |
Wow, so I am not crezy after all LOL... |
It's nice to see full-range speakers getting more press. He writes about the $649 M-Lore, but all the pictures are of the $999 Model Lore. Hmm. |
I asked Eric. The the review is for the m-lore. But you are right the first pictures shows the m-lore, and the other 2 are are the lore. I wonder if the reviewer was just showing the different products. |
Yes, I noticed the pictures. I am going to email Eric and ask him about that... but from the looks of it he is using stock pictures anyway. |
thanks guys thats alot of feedback .....i love old music......but iam still young in shell so i do listen to alot of current billboard music ..........it seems like iam trying to form a entertainment system / stereo ( is that even possible ?) It may just be cheaper doing two individual system maybe (input ???) I am not limited to purchase so i remain to keep a open mind <<<< runners up infinity , golden ear tower , def tech .and tekton lastly i would like to here the review on the pedragon is it silly to try to put the best of both worlds into one system..... not really a tube roller but do remember how music sounded through them.... more lively except for the popping and air like sound .....don,t know much about them but i can see they respond well to the tekton but i guess the question is i need a all around speaker into new music but love oldies honest opinions??????????????/?
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Also what do u guys think about a bryston 9b sst (not squared) for 2600.00
Or would the 7b sst pro mono block be a better purchase at 1750.00
Figured these are one of the best and 20 years can't go wrong .... Or just save for the squared version of bryston.....Go hard or go home right!!!!! Gpowered let me know about those speakers I mention as I know u are self sufficient audio store lolol |
Hi there Capellaudio. The speakers you mentioned are all good (though I haven't heard the Golden Ear speakers). But they seem to get rave reviews. The issue is they are vastly different than the Tektons. It depends on what you want. First off, the Bryston and the other ss amps you mentioned are not the "ideal" mate for the tektons. You just don't need to pay for all of that power - you can get control over the woofers with much less! You would be better off with tubes or lower power amps (class D or just low powered class A maybe). The Tekton sound is effortless and very "live" sounding, and will easily handle any type of music. The other speakers mentioned are of the conventional variety... not a bad thing, but more of the opportunity to spend $ on power.
Allot of this depends on the size of your room. Do you have room for the Pendragons? If it is going to mainly be a video/entertainment and some music system, then I would go with all M-LORE speakers and run a sub with it. From what Eric is telling me, the M-lore is the real sleeper in the lineup, and from the recent review, it seems like it is!
Eric can also build a sub and a center channel (he is working on a sub now I believe). Get a nice Primaluna or Quicksilver 25+ watt amp for stereo, and use a decent home theater receiver for the entertainment stuff, and you are done. No reason in my mind to spend big $ on home theater processors, etc... unless of course you are completely into that. But in my experience, higher end gear is only necessary for music critical listening... that's just my opinion.
The other speakers mentioned... good but I prefer the Tektons. They can do allot more with allot less power... and they get me closer to the real live thing in comparison to conventional.. again that's just my preference. |
Since this seems to be the forum where people are mentioning their impressions of Tekton Design speakrs, I thought I'd chime in now that I'm 2 months into ownership of my Pendragons.
I'm loving them more than ever!
FWIW in case people are curious, the First Watt F5 clone amp I was using for the review had yet another calibration problem which is now fixed, so the slight imaging issue I mentioned in my review appears to be gone.
They are now by far the best speakers I've ever heard!
I'm even building a set of custom high-power First Watt F5 Monoblocs to use with the Pendragons. This time I'm going to calibrate them using an objective measurement system like a digital scope, sheesh! |
Great to hear this! It also coud have been a little bit of break in that was needed. It took my first pair 6-8 weeks to fully break in.
Now we have 2 testimonials of one of the best speakers out there! |
I read your personal review Eboleyn. I thought comparing some small speakers to very large speaker seemed a little interesting. Imaging for small to large speakers can be different simply because of the mass compared to the room size. It's kind of like comparing a motorcycle to a ferrai. Both can do the job they are meant to do, but obviously they are very different.
Nice job though. Glad to hear you are enjoying them. Keep up the reviews.
P.S. Pictures seem to be fixed on the mini lore review. |
I ended up comparing the small speakers to the very large speaker as I have not heard a large floorstander in that price range that was nearly as good. For example, I listened to both the Polk Audio LSI15 and LSI25, and they seemed ... well, the best way I can describe it is "sloppy" by comparison to the monitors. Both the Polk LSI9 and Amphion Argon 2's have been very well-received as peaks of their respective lines in the past.
The main point being I had been convinced that floorstanders that didn't cost a mint would never be adequate for me in the ways I liked the monitors.
The Tekton Pendragons frankly took me by surprise. |
anyone here make to the audiofest 2011. saw they had the new def mk iv. not sure i could ever justify the price but wondered how it sounded. |
Yeah I read a big review on there and watched alot of footage via YouTube (next best thing ) gotta keep up with the times !! But cedia was pretty good they had all the new eye candy lexicon carry bryston all new processors and amplifier for some but them golden ear boys was getting one hell of a audience along with plenty of reviews from sandy ..... Gpower I think I might go pendragons someone is selling a pair I will give it a shot if I don't like I wont keep they will go fast anyhow ..... How does the pendagons compare to the big boys b&w ,Martin logan,kef,Polk ..... Ect. .... Would like to see some numbers on the speakers but listening is the best way .... All hands down ..... |
My Pendragons arrived today in a beautiful automotive gloss white finish. They look spectacular! Let me know if you want to see a picture. |
Capellaudio - re: "How does the pendagons compare to the big boys b&w ,Martin logan,kef,Polk"..
There is not enough room here to answer your question, so we would have to take it off line. Feel free to email to discuss. But I will just repeat what I just recently told a friend... and that is, I would go as far to say that if driven by good electronics, the Pendragon could run with much more expensive speakers. They make these $9K Graybeards I had with all classic series Scan-Speak drivers sound like a toy. The Pendragon is closest I have ever been to live musicÂ…
The fact is, there is a huge dichotomy in high end audio that believes that big expensive conventional speakers are it for high end, but this technology surpasses conventional logic IMO and from what I am hearing. The sound is extremely open and effortless, reminiscent of a planar or electrostatic, yet has all the benefits of a moving coil/dynamic loudspeaker in the sense that it plays full range with no compression. As long as you have the room and can place the speakers at least 8ft a part, this system is something special... which is why I went back to them ... representing the first time I have done that.
I am breaking mine in now with my 200w Marsh A400S amp... and to my surprise, the sound is AWESOME!!! I tried an Adcom with my last pair and did not like it, but this combo is a beautiful match. After a while I put my 12w Xindak class A tube amp in and see what that does. |
Lolol I'm actually gonna purchase them from a friend that's selling them on audiogon ..... Lol like I said hearing is the real test.... If I don't like them I will sell them but I'm taking into consideration the oppurtunity to capitalize on a pair of these ..... How much did the amp run you..... As like I said b4 I would need a crah course in tube amp.... I can't imagine the same names that applies for ss amps applies for tubes some of these vendors Are like a beta map to me .......... I'm gonna audition 2-3 pairs and sell the ones I don't like but the first one I'm gonna pick up is the pendragons ...... Can you say road trip ....:-))))) |
Has anyone tried any Red Wine Audio with their Lores or siblings? With Vinnie's new 15 watter coming out, I'm anxious to try his newer stuff. I had a 30.2 integrated that I sold a couple years ago to go cheaper and still nice with the Miniwatt, then with the Ampino. But I haven't heard his stuff with the new battery technology nor with the tube buffer, and I'm getting curious as to how they'd work with the Lores. Thoughts? |
Anyone compared the lore to a magnepan 1.7 or 1.6? I know we are talking of 2 different types of speakers here but i was just curious.
Happy listening Dan |
Well I had 1.6s years ago, same room but completely different gear. For me it was the fact that in my small room 12' x 13' x 9' the Lores are a better fit. And I did the whole flea power amp thing, once I did that there was no going back...for now anyway.
I don't really remember the Maggies that well, but I did have a sub with them, and I don't need a sub at all with the Lores, no way no how.
If I had 1.6s now I would consider the Lores a sideways move maybe, certainly not a downgrade. |
Sebrof. Thanks for your reply to my question. I am
Driving my Lores with a primaluna tube amp for a year now and they
Sound great. I will stick with this combo
For a while. |
Boniccie - the Maggie sound is extremely detailed and transparent. They are fun to listen to, but vastly different. They are a wall of sound opposed to the 3-dimentional and deep soundstage that the Lore throws with a good tube amp. That combo you have has to be awesome. Hopefully you are able to bring the Lores out into the room a little to get the depth effect. I also think the Lores sound more realistic in terms of a "lively", or effortless presentation.
I have my Pendragons dialed in just right now... I figured out the perfect set up in my room, and I would take these over a pair of Maggie 3.6's any day. There is no compression with the music whatsoever, and now that I have them set right... imaging is spot on. Missing nothing with them... and I am listening with a 200w Marsh A400S right now. never thought solid state would work so well with the Tektons... |
Gpowered thanks for the info. Can you please tell me
How far are the speakers from back wall ans side walls.
I remember someone in this thread mentioning that
His Lores are just 7" from the back wall and the bass
Is great. I am not a bass fanatic at all and my Lores are 31" from back wall and 20" from side walls. |
I am about 1-1.5ft from the left side wall, but then I have quite a bit more distance to the right due to the room layout... and 28.5" off the back wall (from the back of the speaker). I could flip the setup in the room but then it means I have window on the back wall... I'd rather avoid that. |
Tekton Pendragon update: this is for the "Lore-based" Pendragon update... I have about 10 days of almost straight playing time on them now. I have realized quite a difference now that they are spread out a bit... they like at least 7.5ft part and the more the better. With that set up, imaging is spot on and the soundstage wide with great depth. These speakers are just tremendous. They are so much more "convincing" than the $9K Greybeards were. The other day I was listening to a live recorded Hillsong cd track and it pressurized my entire room. Not sure what is more convincing than that. But on another note, they sound great at any volume, and always very full. There is no weakness to this speaker, other than for some it is going to be too big. I won't be getting rid of these unless my room shrinks. Finally there..
I'll be hooking up my 12w Xindak this weekend. I listened to it briefly the other day, and compared to the powerful ss Marsh, the sound is sweeter and with greater depth / holographic effect. It is also a bit more musical and with a nicer "tone" with the tube amp. But it obviously won't play as loud and effortless as it does with the Marsh. It also seems to have extremely powerful lower bass with the Marsh simply because there is just so much power on tap - this is a 4ohm speaker and the Marsh puts out 350w into 4ohms... WHAT an amazing experience on a 98db speaker! Talk about dynamics and a complete lack of compression... WOW! |
Jeff, it sound like the Pendragons are a lot of speaker for the money. It speaks volumes about a speaker that you once had, Sold for a much more expensive speaker and then came back to the same one.
I'm glad you're enjoying them. I'll have to come over one day to take a listen. |
11-03-11: Gpowered
"Tekton Pendragon update: this is for the "Lore-based" Pendragon update"
GP - What are the specifics with the Lore Based Pendragon? Does Eric sell 2 types, or is the updated type the new standard now?
Thanks |
Hey Sebrof: There is actually only ONE Pendragon speaker. Before it's offical name, Eric referred to it as "The Lore-based" speaker. I said that also so that the moderator wouldn't deem my post unrelated to this thread.
Truth be told though, it is surely an offspring of the Lore. The sound character is very similar... although the Pendragon has a mucher higher spl capability, a much larger soundstage, and more clarity... but again, all relavent to the room size. Put these in a small room and it could overload the room easily. |
Zman: anytime brother... just let me know! ~!~ |
I read an older review on a tekton subwoofer. Like it said. It's older, but it kinda showing a tekton trend. Good prices for amazing sound. Here is the link if you re intrested.
http://www.enjoythemusic.com/magazine/equipment/1109/tekton_design_s12.htm |
I had a friend come over to show off his snazzy new Phonic PAA6 (Professional Audio Analyzer).
We hooked up my Tekton Pendragons and ran a pink noise test (from PAA6 ==> First Watt B1 preamp ==> First Watt F5 amp ==> Tekton Pendragon). Using the microphones on the PAA6, it measured pretty flat across the whole spectrum (a few dips and spikes pretty likely attributable to the room, but not large in any case), all the way down to below 20 Hz. In fact, the scale stopped at 7.6Hz and it was still looking pretty flat.
Nothing to say about that but WOW. |
Hi all ! Been running my Lore's and Mini Beast for almost a week now and I am very happy with both . I plan to pull the Mini Beast out and tidy up the wiring a bit . I think I will put the Cary in and see how that does . In triode mode it is 50 wpc. The Mini Beast is only 4 wpc and hasnt clipped yet as far as I can tell . Both the lore and mini beast are most excellent.....crazy good for the money . If it wasnt for you guys I would have ever known about these . BTW ...gpowered we both have a common friend.... good ole stereoal from north tampa , talked to him last night ..... thx again all , brad |
Get yourself a pair of ESS AMT3's. The Omens will sound like a transistor radio in comparison. Soundstaging/tonal balance and imaging are far superior-and this thing was made in 1974.
I tried a set of Omens-the reminded me of the "Emporer's New Clothes"-i.e 'their ain't nothing there'-pardon my english. |
I spoked with Eric the other day. He didn't give me all the details, but he does have something planned for black Friday, or cyber Monday. Not sure. If I find out I'll post back |
It is a special Lore-based model for a great price... should be interesting! |
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Video is up on the home page :) |
Looks nice but I was hoping for the lore to be on sale |
Was hoping for a deal on the Lore |
The Oriel appears to be in the Lore cabinet but with different 10" drivers and different tweeters. Looks like the drivers in the $2500 Pendragon but I don't know for sure.
I own Lores and am tempted just to see how the new ones sound. To be honest it's almost like a sale on Lores |
It is not the Pendragon tweeter. I have the dragon and it has SB Acoustics Ring Radiator tweeters. The tweeter in the Oriel is a high efficiency soft dome Vifa tweeter. Knowing Eric it is likely very detailed and smooth. It looks similar to what is in the mini-Lore but not certain it is.
The Oriel looks to be like a mini-lore on steroids - since it is 98db and be driven with very low watts. I would also wonder if it has a slightly better bottom end then Lore, since the Eminence driver he selected does not have a whizzer and therefore is not going to play as high in frequency... with that trade off it may roll off differently on the low end??
I know the jump from the lore to pendragon in bass is gigantic... and this woofer seems closer to what I have in the Pens. I am betting this Oriel is equal to Lore but with different trade offs. |
I believe it's supposed to fill virtually all of the Lores benefits at a lower price. I don't think the Lore is going to go on sale again. That is what Eric seemed to allude when I spoke to him.
I would be interested if it indeed did have a little lower extension. I have not heard the speaker yet though. I hope to in the next few weeks. Perhaps when I get a day off I'll make the drive.
Eric emailed me a few days ago and knows I like doing videos and stuff as a hobby, and I said sure it would be fun to make one.
Anyways that is all know :) |
I think its just a larger version of the M-Lore . The M Lore got a great review so this might not be too bad after all |
Oriel looks more like a replacement for the Lore. $850 "introductory pricing" is reminiscent of the Lore intro pricing. Bits and bobs are all very similar to the Lore (or so it seems). Might be a revision? |
