Hi Dgarretson - anything catch your fancy at CES ?
Swampwalker - is your moniker related to your occupation by chance ? some kind of scientist possibly. :^) |
Nandric et al, I own not only a used P8 ES but also a van den Hul version. Have you auditioned the latter in your system? Does it have a hope of competing with the creme de la creme? If not, can Axel make it sing?
I have just had the revelation (after a great restaurant meal, several glasses of a good Pinot followed by vodka, and an evening of live jazz in downtown Washington, DC) that this thread is like the Seinfeld TV show. It's about nothing; yet it's compelling. Happy Birthday to my dear wife. |
Dear Lew, Happy birthday to your wife. I am confused with your drink 'sequence' . My is the other way round; first Slivovitz and than Pinot. I also disagree with your opinion about this thread. This thread is about nearly everything while its duration is the proof that we all enjoy discussing 'whatever'. Regarding the AKG carts Raul can provide the best info. I though to know much about this brand and nearly started a war against the Mexican about some of the styli. Alas he was right and I was consequently wrong. I don't believe that Axel can make the original 'suspension' for your P 8 ES. Besides I myself think that 175 euro is too much to spend on this cart. I see that my comrade Don is not very enthusiastic either. But assuming that Raul 'refreshed'some of his by Axel , he should be in a better position to advice. As usual btw.
Regards,
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Dgarretson,
No problem and a huge 'Thank You'. Will speak soon.
As always... |
You are correct about the proper order of drinks. I drank the wine when we were at dinner in a restaurant near to the jazz, and I drank the vodka later while listening to music. (In the US, they make you drink "something"; or else you pay the cover charge and get nothing.)
As to the rest, is it not true that philosophically there is very little difference between "everything" and "nothing"? So I think we agree.
I actually do not recall Raul making a definitive statement on these two cartridges, except in the recent exchange. I do know one or both were listed in the hallowed post that started this thread and stimulated over 9000 responses. And I know he was vociferous about the P100LE, unobtainable by mere mortals. |
--> Nandric: You're welcome...my pleasure :-)
--> Lew: I agree...this thread is stimulating. I'm behind in my reading -- approximately, 185 pages worth!
Vbr, Sam
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Dear Lew, In 5 years that I am huntig MM carts I have seen just one P100 LE on the German ebay. Listed by some Japanese for 1000 euro. Back then I was not willing to pay more for an MM cart then 200 euro. To my knowledge only a limited number were produced. I think that AKG lost interest in carts production and I am also not aware that the technology from the P 100 was ever transfered to the 'lower' series. Then AKG destroy all their stock with carts and styli to avoid liability for those wrong suspensions. Anyway this is the story that was told in the German Magazines. BTW I am again confused with your philosophical comparison between 'anything' and 'nothing'. Both are universal quantifiers but in the 'opposite', so to speak.I need to think about that and also consult Frege(grin).
Regards, |
Ct0517, of things analog at CES I particularly enjoyed the new Triplaner 12" on an SP-10 MK3, a Pass-modified MK2 with a custom balanced heavy platter(improbably good with MA505 arm), and several Air Force One TTs, one with new Graham and another with a $30K pivot arm that I want to erase from memory due to price. The Kuzma 4-Point with redesigned Stabi TT(now with a single DC motor and a relatively stiff flat belt) was very effective--particularly as demonstrated by a personable Franc K. The Grand Prix Monaco failed to match the analog magic of these others. |
Dear Lewm: Nandric is right, months ago and due to his doubts/mix up/confussions on the AKG series and models we gone on some research that you can read here:
http://forum.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/fr.pl?eanlg&1200430667&openflup&6258&4#6258
http://forum.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/fr.pl?eanlg&1200430667&openflup&6269&4#6269
http://forum.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/fr.pl?eanlg&1200430667&openflup&6282&4#6282
http://forum.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/fr.pl?eanlg&1200430667&openflup&6287&4#6287
http://forum.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/fr.pl?eanlg&1200430667&openflup&6301&4#6301
http://forum.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/fr.pl?eanlg&1200430667&openflup&6307&4#6307
and you can go on in the tread reading the posts of the other gentlemans.
Lewm, problem with the nomenclature with AKG was that they took the P8 designation for two different cartridge lines and models.
The P8ES you own was the earlier model and the VDH was a latter design that came in the AKG original P25MD cartridge where difference is only the VDH stylus against the " analog 6 " by AKG.
I think that AKG wanted to put a difference on the VDHs models against the P25MDs and named P8 as its predecesor P8E and ES but the VDH ones are totally different designs than the P8E and ES.
I have samples of all of them and the P8ES are really good and at least my samples came with out any single " problem " on suspension or coils as the VDHs ones. Where I had a problem was with one of my P25MDs that shares the body with the VDH cartridge designation models.
Yes, confusing but that was AKG.
Regards and enjoy the music, R. |
Dear SUT's friends: Right now I already bought two other vintage second hand SUTs to help my started " research ".
I know that the transformer ( it self. ) quality is the main subject ( as the cartridge impedance match with those SDUT transformers. ) on a SUT but I want to know if really exist to much differences in quality performance between different transformers in SUTs because the transformers inside.
Right now I'm enjoying my modified 340 with other LOMC like the Dyna XV-1s and Colibri with very good results.
Maybe I can make an improvement on what I'm hearing if I go with the input cables/wires directly to the Denon switching board becaus ein this way I will bypass the SUT input connectors, the cable RCA connectors and the KCAG KK internal wires but due that I'm on the " whole " research I need flexibility/user friendly from my in test SUTs for I can make fast any changes I want it and if I go hard wired this could be a " problem " for.
Certainly that when I finish the SUT " journey " I will do it.
Btw, if one of you can be interested in a first rate/top SUT my Audiocraft T-26 ( extremely hard to find. ) that's in new condition ( boxed. ) is on sale. I have no intentions to modify this beauty, as is is just great. I test it only to check everything is fine.
For the persons that does not knows about Audiocraft I only want to tell that Audiocraft belongs to very top hiend in Japan, not only on SUTs but its tonearms are second to none. Audiocraft builded some of the top AT tonearms and did it to other OEMs. In the japanese highend is at the same level than Accuphase ( for example. )
The T-26 has 26db of gain and works for cartridges on the 2 ohms and up. Its price was: 80K yens, one of the highest prices on SUTs. Only for you can have an idea, the Denon-320 that Dover owned had a price ( in the same time. ) of 19K yens and you can see this right now on ebay for 300.00 dollars.
Anyway, if you are interested please email me before it gone: rauliruegas@hotmail.com
Regards and enjoy the music, R. |
Raul, yes there is ONE that stands out at the TOP only for low 3-5ohm cartridges with very hi gain very wide FR and very low audible distortions...
email me i will let you in on the secret
Lawrence Fidelity Forward |
Dear In_shore: With a TT as with almost any other audio item is very important to what they were coupled to and I think that with DD in nude fashion it is even more important, at least is what I experienced about.
I don't own your Kenwood but I agree that the Denons DP-80/75 " fumigates " the SP-10s or JVCs DD TTs.
Obviously that maybe with different audio systems things could change.
Regards and enjoy the music, R. |
Nandric, You have a very interesting heavy suspended TT. Obviously you don´t have any issues with the suspension because you are enjoying different arms and carts. An air bearing tonearm would nicely fit it too. Maybe we will hear a report of your fav carts on a Terminator ABTA some day. That would be a very, very interesting report on the subject. Regards and high hopes |
Dear Dgarretson: Yes, seems that that 35K tonearm was something to " forget " at the CES. Here it is,browse at the middle of the page:
http://www.stereo.net.au/forums/index.php?/topic/7405-titillating-tonearms/page-16
the designer of this Vertere tonearm is the same Roksan's owner/designer.
I already ordered 3 samples!!
regards and enjoy the music, R. |
"Fumigate" means to permeate with fumes. Usually this is done by a professional exterminator. Not a "hit man" but a guy who comes into your home to rid it of pests. Not human pests but pests who are members of other species and genii.
When I owned both a DP80 and an SP10 Mk2, I too felt that the DP80 had a slight edge over the latter table. Bill Thalmann told me, after working on both of mine, that the DP80 had a more sophisticated servo system than did the Mk2. But plinths are so much a factor in how direct-drives sound that I would be loathe to conclude that the DP80 is "better" than the Mk2, albeit my two units were each mounted in near identical slate plinths. Suffice to say that I still own the DP80. The SP10 Mk3, on the other hand, is in another higher league compared to either.
Raul, I now do recall the conversation regarding the different versions of AKG. Are you trending toward SUT use? Think of how many poor souls were discouraged from SUT-ophilia by your purist insistence on high gain phono stages, and how much antagonism that generated between you and SUT-istas. And I always agreed with you on that.
Nicola, I took a chance on positing the identity between "everything" and "nothing". Tell me what Frege says, and I will tell you what Sartre says. |
Dear Lewm: +++++ " Are you trending toward SUT use? " +++++
not exactly. I'm still " sticky " to active high gain phono stages but when I found out ( at random ) those two SUTs at my place then I aked me: hey, why not? and then started today SUT journey.
This can give me the opportunity to confirm what for many years I was and am " entilted " with but I always said to other persons during a friendly " discussion ": " that it is not the same try to compare same item in the " old " system we own that in our today improved one " and that's why " I'm here ".
Lewm, what I'm hearing today on this first modified SUT is away from what I can remember. We will see when finish my comparisons adding experiences from the other SUTs I bought and that maybe in two weeks will arrive to my place.
Lewm, as we can see it IMHO: it is a learning experience, don't you think?
Regards and enjoy the music, R. |
With your sense for humour you must be a German.[quote] Nandric, you really know who to hurt a guy. 2nd generation American. Grandparents came to U.S. 100 yrs ago from Hungarian and Czech. My ancestors who still lived in Europe were made person non-grata by that German w the funny little mustache. Adolph something... [quote]is your moniker related to your occupation by chance ? some kind of scientist possibly? The answer is here |
OK, really messed up formatting those mark up tags but the NEW 'gon won't let me edit and I think you get the point. |
Lewm/Raul I'm in the same boat as Raul. I never used to like SUT's much - too coloured and unpredictable. I have always preferred high gain full tube preamps with no loading for MC's ( 47k ) . But since I had the Dynavector Nova 13 rebuilt and bought new Koetsu and Fidelity Research cartridges last year, and decided to have a clear out of surplus gear, I went through everything again including Klyne 7/3 tube head amps/Blueaudio solid state mc preamp ( Magic Diamond ), couple of other phono's & preamps - lo and behold where the Blueaudio used to better everything else as far as step up's go, I'm getting more speed and dynamics with no loss of information from a couple of the transformers, and much less colouration than I used to. I put this down to other system improvements. Careful attention to wiring to minimise losses and preserve signal integrity are vital. Unfortunately the downside of SUT's is like anything you have to buy the best and there is still a certain amount of trial and error involved as Thucan has indicated. Sometimes what you dont expect to work does and vice versa. |
Dear Raul, Considering your inclination to learn (aka 'the learning curve') and assuming that we also can learn from our enemy I hope that I may refer to Dertonarm. He put forward a theory about the relationship between MC's and SUT's. Something like 'two sides of the same coin'. I forget his technical explanation but in lytman terms they are complement of each other.
Dear Lew, Frege never used the nowadays term 'quantification' but 'the generality' instead. That is what logic is about according to him. But our 'dispute' can be put in Tarski's terminology of 'satisfaction condition'. For all x : a+b=b+a; axb=bxa, etc. Ie all numbers satisfy the given conditions. Your 'nothing' can be translated in quantification terms as: no object whatever satisfy such and such conditions. BTW I am sorry for you and your French champ but he has nothing to say about the(modern) logic. An 'obvious' shortcoming of, uh, 'all Hegelians'.
Regards, |
Nandric - MC's generate current not voltage. Most phono stages amplify voltage ( there are some current devices ). MC transformers convert high current/low voltage from the cartridge to a low current/high voltage output. Due to the low current of the signal coming out of the transformer, the cable interface between transformer and preamp is prone to signal loss and noise intrusion. MC's are balanced, and MC transformers can be wired in balanced mode at the input side - this can have some advantages. Downsides of MC transformers are the same as output transformers on tube amps - limited bandwidth, phase anomalies ( the signal phase can be skewed at different frequencies ) and insertion losses.
Hope this helps.
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Swampwalker, You totally missed my point. Actually the Germans should feel insulted. You also missed this rule in our forum : it is not done to comment on one's English capabilities. To answer Chris question: I don't believe that you have anything to do with science. |
So sorry, Nandric. I was being flippant, in response to what I thought was the tone of your quote of the french writer. It was, apparently, a very poor attempt at humor and in no way was meant to denigrate anyone's linguistic abilities. In all seriousness, I am in awe of how well so many people (yourself included) speak and write English, when we Americans (myself included) can barely speak our own language. My deepest apologies to anyone who was offended. |
Swampwalker, Your obvious intention was to make my English writing rediculous.But you only succeed to make yoursef laughable. This was my point about your 'humour'. I don't feel insulted by your comment because I speak and write five languages. |
Dear Dover: Right. My phonolinepreamp is a current device.
On tubes electronics designers knows very well what you posted and that's why appeared the OTL designs trying to aliviate that trouble but OTL designs has other problems too.
At the end what I want to know is: at the top of a SUT quality performance level which trade offs exist against the active high gain phono stages owns trade offs and then achieve some conclusions in the whole subject.
Fortunatelly IMHO I have the " ideal " reference/standards in very precise and clear way to make the evaluation/comparison. Of course will be one person opinion.
For me this research is nothing less than exciting!
Regards and enjoy the music, R. |
Guys - not sure if you are aware of the JVC 4md-20x, but it's really an older Audio Technica, and sounds fab. Maybe not quite top tier (slight lack of delicacy), but damn close. There's one 4 sale here at the Gon now. Will not dissapoint.
No affiliation, etc.
p.s. I've yet to hear an active stage better a transformer. |
Dear Storyboy: I own that JVC but I never had the opportunity to hear it, yes in theory was made by AT for JVC.
On the SUT subject for me is the other way around on what you posted. We will see.
Regards and enjoy the music, R. |
Hello Storyboy & Raul, The JVC 4MD-20X is mine. After 70 hours play, at 1.5 - 1.7 gr, a slightly negative VTA, 150 - 160 pF, and 47 kOhms impedance it is certainly not my cup of coffee. The sound didn´t change much from the beginning, quite surprisingly. Lack of synenergy, in my system of course. Perhaps a modern retip would help. However, it may get better after 70 hours ? I really hope so. Raul, I think now it´s your time to report the JVC. Well, I´ve been waiting that a long time. It was an interesting inquiry, nevertheless. |
Nandric- I'm flabbergasted and very upset that you think I was mocking you. Nothing could be further from the truth. As I said, it was my (obviously) unsuccessful attempt at humor. The ;-) at the end of the post is supposed to indicate a "wink" to show that it was meant tongue in cheek. In all seriousness, I am in awe of how well so many people (yourself included) speak and write English, when we Americans (myself included) can barely speak our own language. My deepest apologies to anyone who was offended. I've already apologized once (as quoted above), but again, please accept my deepest apologies. In no way was I mocking your English. |
Dear friends: PRECEPT PC440's time.
According with the information I have the Precept line was designed and builded by Audio Technica: for whom? that's something I don't know because was not marketed trhough the AT distributors.
Anyway the line started with three models: PC110,PC220 ( I own this one in NOS condition. ) and the PC-440. Differences in between are mainly stylus shape, cantilever and motor refinements on the top PC440 ( as usual. ).
Where the PC110 came with elliptical 0.4x0.7mil the PC220 came with 0.2x0.7mil and the PC440 with nude Shibata one. The PC220/440 stylus replacement fits each to the other cartridge, I don't test it yet the 440 with the 220 stylus.
FR: 5hz-45khz, output: 4.2mv, channel separation: 33db at 1khz, weigth: 5.8grs.
Sems to me ( for internet info. ) that latter on appeared the PC550 where the main difference was that came with Micro Line stylus shape and same berylium cantilever as the 440. Btw, the stylus replacement of the AT ML400 fits the Precept series but unfortunately the AT has no berylium catilever.
It is the quality performance level of this Precept PC440 similar or near to the other top of the line AT/Signet cartridges?:
no way, the Precept PC440 has IMHO no resemblance with any other AT/Signet cartridge other than its similar building parts.
From 3-4 weeks now the Precept PC440 is with any single doubt my reference/standard MM/MI cartridge to judge any other one even with LOMC.
Has a cartridge signature sounds?, if it has I did not detected yet. Its sound is just RIGHT, you don't have to ask for a different tonal balance performance or a better frequency extremes range performance or better inner deatail or more transparency or better soundstage and focus or lower distortion or fastets transients or better dynamics or, or, or, or...... it is just RIGHT.
IMHO here and today the Precept PC440 needs nothing other that enjoy it hour after hour day after day.
Do you dreamed for an ideal cartridge performer or asked your self what could fulfil your music sound reproduction targets/priorities at your home audio system?, well IMHO the Precept PC440 could be that " ideal " cartridge.
Yes, it is that good.
Acutex, Astatic, Empire, AT, Signet, AKG, Stanton/Pickering, B&O, Micro Acoustics, ADC, Sonus, Grado Philips, Azden, Dynavector, Benz Micro, Lyra, Koetsu, etc, etc, you name it are not a real contenders against this Precept PC440.
I'm running it at VTF: 1.25grs, as usual 100kohm on impedance, 300pf additional capacitance and almost parallel to the LP.
It is mounted in my JVC tonearm using our self headshell build material design and obviously with out stylus guard.
Yes, you know that I'm very satisfied with even that is not a good looking " lady ".
Of course that there are several other " things " to comment on the Precept PC440 quality performance level but I have no time right now, I have to follow enjoying the PC440!!!!
Regards and enjoy the music, R. |
Raul, What a revelation ! Congrats, your many years´ hard work has rewarded. Now I really understand why you haven´t testet the JVC 4MD-20X (we both bought these at same time 3 moths ago). We all know you never ignore new candidates, but after the PRECEPT PC440 listening the JVC would be frustrating. It will be futile, it can´t match the PC440 IMHO. Btw, JVC´s flagship is X-1, not the 4MD-20X. I wish you will some day find it too, a real challenger for the new king. Could you please tell us, common mortal Agoners, which are the stellar cartridges of today ? Evolution is gaining speed, 2013 will be a fantastic year. Thank you and regards |
Dear Raul, Your search looks like the gold-rush and I understand the addiction. I don't need any more carts but I can't stop the search. Our psychology then also search for the justification of our actions so the danger to lose the objectivity is certainly present. I noticed in your latest contributions the inclination to use superlatives in descriptions of your (new) findings. In my own experience the differences between, uh, the 'top carts' are actually marginal. So to describe possible (small) differences is not at all easy. But we also have the need to describe the differences clearly which may lead to exaggerations. In the case of the Precept PC 440 I am wondering why Audio Technica would produce better carts for somebody else? This looks to me very strange except if the AT persons are not able to hear or determine the quality differences. This however is not very plausible.
Regards, |
Dear nandric: Till you live the Precept PC440 experiences you can't imagine what I'm talking about.
Try to find out and I'm sure that you will speak on it with " superlative " words.
With the Precept PC440 the quality differences are not marginally as you said.
Now, for your good " health " just try to forget the name: Precept PC440 and my " superlatives " about. Easy.
Regards and enjoy the music, R. |
Dear Harold-not-the-barrel: +++++ " Evolution is gaining speed, 2013 will be a fantastic year. " +++++
agree and as I posted some of these " new " discoveries seems to me belongs to a " new cartridge generation ".
I wish that today I already tested all the cartridges I own but unfortunatelly it is not in that way. I have easily 20+ cartridges that I never touch it and I'm still buying new contenders. In the other side I know that I need to re-test some of the " old " top performers to compare it today that my audio system is better than ever due to up dates.
Take a look, yesterday for the first time I tested a GLORIOUS performer ( Nandric, fortunatelly you own it. ) the Dynavector Karat Nova 13D LOMC that I bought almost one year ago ( at least. ) and for all that time I was privated of its unique quality performance level.
Btw, I just bought a second sample of that Dyna. In the next days I will report on it. Yes, this belongs to that " new cartridge generation " that means a different quality performance " league ", not marginally.
Regards and enjoy the music, R. |
Dear Raul, My comment was more a warning for myself then for you. I nearly got bankrupt by my latest carts purchases.
Regards, |
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DV Karat is good; I know it. But I think the current version is "17D3". Before that there was the 17D2, etc. There is also the Karat "23R", with a Ruby cantilever. (R is for Ruby.) I have never heard the latter, but I am an admirer of the former.
But what is a "Karat Nova 13D"? Inquiring minds want to know. |
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Dear Lewm: The Karat Nova 13D was IMHO an " assault " to the perfect cartridge performer. Till today IMHO there is no single Dynavector cartridge that can perform not only similar but even near that unique design.
13D states because the cantilever measures 1.3mm made it of diamond manterial. It is the only Dyna with that so little cantilever length but the main differences between the 13D and any other LOMC cartridge is when you hear it just from the very first recording note then you know what I mean with that " assault " to the perfect cartridge.
This is the one I own nad is the same model of my second sample too and the same Dover owns:
http://www.hifido.co.jp/KW/G0308/J/0-10/C11-60830-14311-00/
There is another version where the only difference is that instead the cartridge wood body comes with a metal one. This was the first that appears in Japan and latter came the wood version.
Regards and enjoy the music, R. |
This is from my earlier post on the Dynavector Karat Nova's There are 3 Karat Nova's - Karat Nova 13D, Karat Nova 17D and the reissue Karat Nova 17D. The original Karat Novas have Ebony bodies, the reissue 17D has a metal body. If the serial number is in the format ## then it is a Karat Nova 13D. If the serial number is in the format X### then it is a Karat Nova 17D. My Karat Nova 13D is ##, ie 45. 143 is most likely a 17D. Now the specs from Dynavector are as follows : Nova 13D/Nova 17D2 Output 0.12/0.20 (1kHz/cm/sec ) Frequency response 20-40khz/20-30khz +-1db Channel separation 25db for both Compliance 18/15 Impedance R=10ohms/R=32ohms Inductance L=52microH/90microH Stylus PA Line Contact/Microridge Cantilever 1.3mm/1.7mm My Karat Nova 13D has been rebuilt by Dynavector and now has a Microridge stylus and higher output than the original. It is more resolving than the original. You can see the response here : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_QgHfUgWQwRaul - the Dynavector Karat Nova's should suit your system as the Dynavector reference system back in the day when these cartridges were designed was flat to 13hz. |
Dear Lewm: After both Dyna 13D versions follow the Karat Nova 17D2 but its motor is not the same because the internal Z on the 13D is 19 ohms against 39 ohms in the 17D2 and exist the cantilever lenght difference too: 1.3mm against 1.7mm
Anyway the 13D is a facinating performer.
Regards and enjoy the music, R. |
Dear Raul, Based on Dover's informative post, it would seem that the Karat Nova is that rare beast, a low output MC with rather decent compliance. There is the resemblance to your other (former?) favorite LOMC, the Ortofon 2000. When you first expressed your admiration for the 2000, I had a hunch that it might indeed be good because of its high-ish compliance. Perhaps we should all start beating the bushes for high compliance LOMCs.
I never in my audio life had heard of the existence of the Karat Nova. Shame on me. BTW, the Karat 17D3 is a nice cartridge too, but evidently not in this league. |
I posted before read the Dover post.
The info I have comes from the Japanese Stereo bible of those times that comes in japanese language but numbers are the same in any language.
In that magazine states that the first model was the metal body version but Dover said he has the information directly from Dynavector so it has to be truer than a magazine one.
R. |
Dear Dover: Now I understand about the output level of my 13D because when I read that the output was 0.12mv I have serious doubt on how well my modified Denon SUT could handle it but for my surprise the output was a lot higher. Seems to me around 0.3mv
So I could think that my sample is a Dynavector rebuilded like yours. I can't compare against the original 0.12mv but I agree about the tremendous resolution that my sample shows.
When my second sample arrives maybe I could know about that " resolution " difference you stated if it is the original one. We will see.
In the mean time the best I can do is to follow listening/suffering the Precept PC440 along the " rebuilded " Karat Nova 13D !!!!!! Any one envy me?
Regards and enjoy the music, R. |
Dear lewm: The MC2000 has higher compliance than the 13D along extremely low output: 0.05mv
As the 13D and the Precept 440 the MC2000 is a winner too and all three are IMHO members of the vintage " new generation cartridges " niche.
Its performance is different from the 13D. If I have time latter or tomorrow I will post my 13D experiences about its quality performance level.
Regards and enjoy the music, R. |
Raul - I forgot to mention the other reason I think yours is an original 17D is the detachable headshell leads. On the 13D the headshell leads are hardwired off the coils - one less connection. I've had mine for well over 20 years, and had 2 rebuilds, the last one, last year. They rebuild from the ground up, so you essentially get a new cartridge, along with updated test results etc. They dont do rebuilds anymore due to parts availability, so tread wearily. PS Headshell is very resonant and loses information compared to both the Ikeda and Orsonic headshells. using normal headshells also means more accurate alignment as well - I run Baerwald. Ran superbly in my Naim Aro and am currently using the FR64S. |
Dear Dover: Whom told you that the headshell wires are detachable in my cartridge sample?. In both samples I bought the wires are hard wired and this was one of de reasons why I don't tested before: I can't use it that way because my tonearm/phono cable is an external one that needs to connect directly to the cartridge pin connectors and happen that my 13D has no pin connectors but female connectors.
For I can connect my 13D first I have to destroy one of my lesser cartridges to take its pin connectors and then hard wired these pin connectors to the hard wired 13 wires and this is exactly what I did: the only choice I had to test and enjoy my Dyna.
Btw, according to the japanese bible the 13D specs are the ones you posted with these differences: channel separation 20db instead 25db and R= 19 ohms instead the 10 ohms you posted. The cartridge appeared in 1983 for the first time.
The Karat Nova 17D2 appeared in 1984 and was a stand alone cartridge version ( no headshell. ) and its price was: 64K yens against the huge 150K yens for the 13D. Where the stylus replacement price for the 17D2 was 44.8K yens against the 75K yens for the 13D.
Looking to the 1984 Dyna designed Karat 17D2 model ( 38K yens. ) the Karat Nova 17D2 is the same cartridge/specs but instead metal body this one came with wood body. So seems to me that the 13D is way different to the Karat Nova 17D2.
My 13D is mounted in my self headshell design riding in the AT 1503 tonearm with Löfgren alignment as usual.
About Denon SUTs an according to the Stereo buying guide ( USA magazine. ) the AU-320 you owned had a price of 160.00 dollars when my now modified AU-340 had a price of 425.00 dollars that for a SUT was very expensive. The very well regarded Denon head-amp HA-1000 was: 440.00
Btw, in the Audio magazine bible of 1983 the 13D frequency response posted: 20hz to 100khz. and the price in USA: 1.5K dollars.
Btw, I have several cartridge frequency response charts ( 50+ ) as the one you showed where almost all are exactly the same: dead flat 20hz to 20khz and no one of all those cartridges sounds alike each to other!!!
Regards and enjoy the music, R. |
In order to understand Raul better we need to know the Mexican kinds of comparisons and superlatives. Say: John is the tallest guy in the class but Peter is even taller (Dyna 13 D , Precept PC 440). And/or: John is tallest guy in the class but Peter and Robert are of the same lenght ( Ortofon 2000, Dyna 13 D and Precept PC 440). Raul this way you become for me even more expensive than my wife (grin).
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Hi Raul, I was going off the picture you posted from Hifido - serial number R143. I assumed this was the actual one you bought, which is a 17D, and has the detachable wires - see pic. What serial number do you have ? As regards the specs they were typed and faxed to me by Masaaki Sasa at Dynavector Japan - so there may be typo errors on his part. I'm using the Altec/Peerless 4629 trnasformers for this cartridge. Masaaki recommended the Denon AU103. I also have access to another one that is still original, originally mounted on a Kenwood L07D/Dynavector 501 but now mounted on an SME20/SMEV. |
Dear Dover: No, I only linked it to show it.
Maybe the Denon transformers are better that what we can think. My 13D is shining through the AU-340 along the Carnegie One.
Btw, other that the AU-340 and Audiocraft one I bought an Entré, a WE and a Peerles SUTs. I don't receive yet any of these. I think that are enough to my research about.
Yes, maybe a typo error on the 13D R because through the net in a comparison chart of hundreds of cartridges made it for some one in germany stated the same 19 ohms for the 13D.
Could be interesting that you can have experiences with that 13D original sample against your rebuilded one. This is what I will have when arrive my second sample that came with the 13D operation manual, here we can confirm specs.
regards and enjoy the music, R. |