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When is a mismatched center OK?

Hi all, 

I'm going to go listen to some speakers in the next 30 days and need your advice.  My goal is to improve my 2 channel experience but I have to be cognizant of HT also.... and my primary problem is as follows:  For many of the speakers I like the center channel is freaking huge.  (Looking at you Paradigm Persona!)  I don't have room for the standalone style center.  I could reconfigure my rack if needed but like the way mine sits today.   I could shop down market a bit where the centers are more reasonably sized (Founders instead of Persona,) and likely still be pretty happy.  

I recognize that ideally you don't want a mismatch, but.....What I'm wondering is if you stay within the same family (Example:  Focal Sopra 2 with Aria center) , would your timbre match be solid enough to get by or would you create a potentially glaring mismatch?  

Any first hand examples appreciated.  

Thanks, 

Eric 


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arcticdeth
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BIC DV62 LRS. 

  best center speaker ever heard at any price.

 Also can be used as main left and rights as well.

  Great little speaker!!

 If bright, put a layer or 2 of cotton tshirt on the grill in front of the tweeter.

 
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millercarbon
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There are two reasons to have a center channel: 1) you enjoy funneling your money into someone else's pockets, and 2) you watch movies sitting way off to the side.

Which one is it for you?
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millercarbon
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Actually the only reason is because the HT industry has decreed this is what they need to sell more stuff. HT is based on turning your home into a theater. This makes sense only if you have rows of seats to fill, or you watch movies from way off center. Which is kinda bad, no matter what video source they all look best straight on. Just like all audio sounds best from one sweet spot. Which if you are there then there is no need whatsoever for a center channel at all.

Other than like I said, they need to sell more stuff.
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mijostyn
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If your system images reasonably well a center channel is not necessary.
My 2 channel system doubles as a theater. No one ever tells me I need a center channel. If I spend any money it will be to improve my 2 channel system.
james633
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I would just run phantom center which runs the center channel through your mains. If you sit in the middle you don’t need one as the mains image well. 
Phantom center is typically better than having a center as the mains are more full range. 
The center channel only helps for people that sit off to the side. If you have a lot of guests it helps. I find guess I have don’t care about audio anyway…
cissado
113 posts
 
When I changed my Paradigm Studio CC to a Paradigm Signature, I caught the bug and upgraded my Studio fronts to the Paradigm Persona 3fs. My intention was to replace the Sig center channel with a Persona B speaker but I absolutely don't need to. It's pretty darn good. My space is a 40 feet long open concept. Crystal clear dialog anywhere in the house. No issues at all mixed with the Personas. I have zero complaints in that department.
I do have room correction,  so that may help. 
Good luck.
soix
9,456 posts
 
I don't have room for the standalone style center.
I’d either make room or do the phantom center thing.  Nothing worse than a compromised center channel IME.  Best of luck. 

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mtbiker29 OP
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@cissado thank you, that’s exactly the type of feedback I was looking for.

My music listening is often by myself but movies are either 2 of us or 4 of us. You can see my very wide couch in the pic of virtual system so yes @millercarbon there is some off axis listening. I already have space for center so that’s not the issue, the issue is keeping it small when the mains you like are only paired with giant centers.

I'm assuming everyone advocating the use of your two channel setup are 2.1 only?  So what happens with sources that are 5.1 or better?  
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ozzy62
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Keep in mind when you try to combine home theater and two channel audio together, compromises will be made.  Your job is to decide which is more important to you and proceed with that in mind. But performance will suffer for one of the two formats, Choose wisely.

Oz



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mtbiker29 OP
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Keep in mind when you try to combine home theater and two channel audio together, compromises will be made. Your job is to decide which is more important to you and proceed with that in mind. But performance will suffer for one of the two formats, Choose wisely.
So I agree sort of.  I'm not an all out theater buff, but do appreciate 5.1 movies.  I use an integrated with HT bypass so don't feel like i'm compromising much on the two channel side.  
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