Geoff
So then the speaker magnet and its moving coil somehow modulate the material contained in the quantum chip? Then placement on the cabinet would change the affect of the chip and the chip may vary in attitude placed near or far from the moving coil. Or is placement close to the speaker inputs whats making for the audible reactance?
Has anyone out there heard a difference when placing the chip in different locations on their speaker cabinet? Tom |
Thanks for the tip, Theaudiotweak, and I hate to judge before all the facts are in but the evidence that I have presented appears to indicate that the chips do not operate as vibration dampers. If they did, wouldn't they be interchangeable? And wouldn't the manufacturer WA Quantum GmbH suggest the speaker chip be used on the wall (and thus sell more chips)? |
Geoff
Try the one for speakers on the wall behind the speakers or on the side walls 1st reflection..you have headphones. Speaker vibration and a acoustical instrument have many similarities. The walls are sympathetic to vibrations and pressure from a loudspeaker. Tom |
Let's briefly review the bidding.
This is the blurb from one of the WA Quantum Chip dealers. While this blurb can be considered second hand information it matches the WA Quantum GmbH press release (that is quoted earlier in this thread. Nowhere is there any mention of vibration. While the information below (and in the press release) appears on the surface to be helpful it's loaded to the gills with generic, non-specific terms such as "efficiency of current flow and signal transmission," "bio-energetic chips," "synthetic material," and "subatomic Quantum level."
"In each case the Chip is mounted on an adhesive backing which can be attached to the device. The Chips are "programmed" for their specified applications. High tech manufacturer, WA-Quantum, from Berlin, Germany, introduced so-called bio-energetic chips for the audio/video market. These chips are in fact small pieces of a synthetic material, encased in what outwardly appears to be an adhesive-backed "sticker" that can be fixed to audio components and cables. WA-Quantum GmbH is a manufacturer of high technology products. Among their products are this line of "Chips" operating at a sub-atomic Quantum level, which improve the efficiency of current flow and signal transmission in audio devices including fuses, capacitors, phono cartridges and tonearms, transformers, transducers, and audio cabling. Special chips are also available for use with both electronic and acoustic musical instruments."
In the context of the efficiency of current flow and signal transmission and all that jazz certainly there must be another explanation for how the Chip for acoustic instruments operates. |
Theaudiotweak wrote,
"Geoff if there is motion there is vibration and there is always motion. The flux fileld will have its greatest potential around the convergence of all the cable runs of the ac mains. The mains box will be alive with resonating energy..."
Maybe so, but there is also a lot of vibration between the breaker box and the wall outlet, since the while house is vibrating; the power cable from the breaker box to the wall outlet will be subject to vibration its entire path. I'm guessing that it wouldn't accomplish much by reducing vibration in the power cable so far downstream. Which is why I don't think the WA Cable Chip is programmed to reduce vibration, as I said.
"What choice of material is being programmed copper, silver, gold carbon?"
The material being programmed is in the WA chips. I.e., artificial atoms. How many artificial atoms can you fit onto a tiny WA Chip that has an area of 3.14159/256 square inches? |
Raks wrote,
"Speaking about vibrationÂ… if someone wanted to stick one of the chips to their tray in their CDP, does anyone have an opinion on which chip would work best for that?"
Apparently none of the WA chips are programmed, uh, I mean designed for the CD tray. There is only one quantum chip programmed for CDs that I am aware of, but it's not a WA chip and it's not for vibration . Have you tried Marigo dots or visco material on the CD tray? I have. |
Geoff if there is motion there is vibration and there is always motion. The flux fileld will have its greatest potential around the convergence of all the cable runs of the ac mains. The mains box will be alive with resonating energy.. What choice of material is being programmed copper, silver, gold carbon? I would never damp any thing anyway at least by traditional definitions. Tom |
Speaking about vibrationÂ… if someone wanted to stick one of the chips to their tray in their CDP, does anyone have an opinion on which chip would work best for that? |
Theaudiotweak wrote,
"Which particles to buy for use in audio? One different near the flux field of electrons? Others that react on the vibrational surfaces of one's chassis, walls,acoustical conduits and musical instruments.Vibration has a charge minute enough to cause reactance with nano particles maybe. There must be a distinct difference in the treatment of metals versus tone wood versus drywall."
That's what is so fascinating about the WA Quantum Chips. There are chips for caps, chips for inductors, chips for semiconductors, chips for (acoustic) musical instruments, chips for cables, etc. and, with perhaps a couple exceptions, they aren't interchangeable. That's what is so weird. The WA chips must be programmed according to where they are placed. But what are they programmed to do?
I suppose some WA chips might convert mechanical energy to another form of energy, e.g., light. But when a WA cable chip is wrapped around the incoming romex cable at the breaker box and the sound is improved, I suspect something else is taking place, there's too much distance between the breaker box and the wall outlet in the listening room for the vibration theory to make sense. Recall the manufacturer claims the chips operate at the subatomic level, whatever that means. But it probably almost certainly means the chips are not acting as vibration dampers. |
Which particles to buy for use in audio? One different near the flux field of electrons? Others that react on the vibrational surfaces of one's chassis, walls,acoustical conduits and musical instruments.Vibration has a charge minute enough to cause reactance with nano particles maybe. There must be a distinct difference in the treatment of metals versus tone wood versus drywall. Tommy can you hear me? Tom |
Who would have thought ten or fifteen years ago quantum mechanics would be able to improve sound? - it just doesn't make sense if you were brought up to believe quantum mechanics is strictly the domain of the very small, you know things like electrons and photons? Quarks are for dorks. But we are finding out is that quantum mechanics also applies to the Macro World since we can create Artificial atoms and Artifical matter and change the physical properties of matter and objects quantum mechanically. There are NO boundaries between classical physics and quantum mechanics. Run, Forrest, run! |
News to me I better play back the news at 11 one more time. What channel was that? |
A synthetic atom, aka "artificial atom," is a nanotechnology invention that is produced in the laboratory. The so-called Artifical Atom is comprised of a number of (negatively charged) electrons and a positively charged hole in the center rather than a real nucleus. (Hence the term, artificial atom.) Artificial Atoms fluoresce when stimulated by external means such as laser light or electrical current. You know, along the same lines as the Intelligent Chip. |
Geoffkait, what is a synthetic atom and where does the 11 come from? |
Tbg wrote,
"Geoffkait, isn't a lot like a cereal manufacturer when asked how much cereal should be put into the bowl, telling you fill it to the top?"
I see what you mean, but I suspect that it's just a question of coverage, i.e., how can you use the large capacitor chip diameter 1 inch on the top of a (physically) small capacitor since most of the chip will be just hanging off in empty space? And the small capacitor chip is only, what, 1/8 inch diameter? So, a small capacitor chip on a large cap is probably not beneficial due to the coverage issue. But for physically small caps the small cap is OK. How many synthetic atoms can you squeeze into a 1/8 inch Diameter dot? Answer at 11. |
Geoffkait, isn't a lot like a cereal manufacturer when asked how much cereal should be put into the bowl, telling you fill it to the top? |
Since my last post I was informed by Kemp Electronics, manufacturer of the WA Quantum Chips, that if the Large Capacitor Chip will fit on the top of the capacitor then use the Large chip. |
Goeff:
I can't respond to your entire question, but after being away from here for a while, and having acquired an Oppo BDP-83SE, I found that, just today, putting the Quantum chip on the Sabre 32 DAC, the sound became quite a bit more focused. I had to call Oppo, who informed me that the Sabre chip was on the UNDERSIDE of the green pc board that held all the RCA jacks. The gentleman at Oppo warned me that the white and gray "ribbon" that connected the pc board to the main part of the unit was very fragile. Nonetheless, I conquered my fear and pulled out the screws on the back of the Oppo that let me then turn the pc board over and put the dAC chip on the Sabre, which had, by then, ben turned off for at least 30 minutes. As soon as it came back on, and I turned my amps on (the preamp is at Conrad Johnson being upgraded, so I'm doing direct output to the amps), and I put on the RCA Red Seal version of the Khatchaturian Dances (the complete ballet), I could tell instantly that the background was darker (meaning, less filled with grain, which contributes to a black background. Obviously when there's grain, the background is more grayish
than actual Black. This was a clear move towards Blackness!).
I would speculate that you may only want to put one chip on the larger capacitor and listen for a week or so, and THEN perhaps try another capacitor. If the capacitors are small, then use the small ones.
I have no idea what differentiates a small from a large capacitor, but Oppo could easily tell you. The customer service rep put me on hold several times and came back with an answer. |
So, here's a question in case someone has figured this out already. Actually, a two-part question. For a bank of small capacitors - I have a bank of six small capacitors in my Oppo and a bank of eight small caps in my headphone amp - should a WA Capacitor Chip be placed on all capacitors of the bank or only on one capacitor? Second part of the question - if only one WA Capacitor Chip is necessary should it be a Small Capacitor Chip or a Large Capacitor Chip (even though all the capacitors are small)? I.e., what differentiates a Small capacitor from a Large one, the capacitance or the voltage, or both? |
Geoffkait, Yesterday, I placed a couple of the Cable chips on the incoming power cables to my breaker box. Today,after a short listen, I must say the music does sound much more open.
Best place for the cable chips.IMO
Thanks for the tip. |
There's no way anyone is going to believe this. |
Just installed large and small capacitor chips and fuse chip in SET headphone amp last night and will be installing large and small capacitor chips and some of the brand new semiconductor chips for DAC and other ICs in the Oppo 103 this morning.. |
Ozzy, even better, has anyone tried a chip on their earlobes?
I don't get how these things work, but that doesn't mean they don't work. I'm only about 85% joking with the ear lobe idea. I stuck some on my maggie fuses and they did make an audible difference. Nothing profound, but a slight improvement. |
Just a thought... Has anyone tried to place a chip on the CD Drawer? |
Theaudiotweak, I'm removing it as we speak. |
So Geoff as I posted a few years back have you removed the cover from the ac mains box and left it off for improved sound ? Tom |
Davidpritchard wrote,
"I was thinking then two of the fuse size chips on a CD. That way no out of balance problems. I think this would be a good experiment by someone who has some fuse chips."
I doubt the mass of the Small Fuse Chip is sufficient to throw the CD off balance. Heck, most CD transports aren't absolutely level, anyway, so the CD will be wobbling during play. But I think one needs to have a theory about where the WA Chip is placed - in the case of the circuit at the breaker box, the Cable Chip makes sense because it is designed for power cables as well as other audio cables and the Transformer Chip on headphones makes sense because the Transformer Chip is designed for coils/inductors/voice coils. There isn't a WA Chip that springs to mind as being appropriate for a CD per se, although maybe randomly placing diffenent WA chips inside the player might eventually get results. The Intelligent Chip, on the other hand, is designed specifically for CDs and will not work on cables, caps, coils, etc. It's the way the synthetic material is fabricated.
"Geoff, Your position at the circuit breaker box incoming power cable is where I have a box of crystals. I like their effect here on soundstage and detail."
Crystals. Love 'em or hate 'em. I like their effect almost anywhere.
"I do use the "Intellegent Chip" treatment on my CD's. Would the Quantum Chips add anything? Remember I have put the Music Chip on an acoustic guitar and viola and heard the difference."
Difficult to be absolutely 100% sure but off the top of my head I kind of doubt any WA Chip will produce results on a CD. The Music Chip is designed to go on musical instruments, including acoustic ones. Would any other WA Chip work on a musical instrument? Probably not. |
I was thinking then two of the fuse size chips on a CD. That way no out of balance problems. I think this would be a good experiment by someone who has some fuse chips.
Geoff, Your position at the circuit breaker box incoming power cable is where I have a box of crystals. I like their effect here on soundstage and detail.
I do use the "Intellegent Chip" treatment on my CD's. Would the Quantum Chips add anything? Remember I have put the Music Chip on an acoustic guitar and viola and heard the difference.
I look forward to feedback. |
Ozzy wrote,
"Geoffkait, Why are using a cable chip instead of a power chip on the incoming AC wires?"
Ozzy, the three Cable Chips I have were not getting the job done on any of my interconnects or power cords, and were just lying around, so I didn't have anything to lose by trying them on the breaker box and the power cable coming into the breaker box. The Cable Chip is, after all, recommended for power cables as well as other types of cables, so its placement on the power cable coming into the breaker box makes some sense. Not that I have anything against the Power Chip. |
Geoffkait, Why are using a cable chip instead of a power chip on the incoming AC wires. |
There are no WA Chip for CDs. Remember, each WA chip is designed with a specific application in mind, inductors/transducers, cables/power cords, caps, etc. The "synthetic material" in the chip is programmed differently for each application. There is only one chip these days for CDs. And because the laser changes the nature of the synthetic material the CD chip doesn't last very long, unlike the WA chips, it must be discarded after 14 uses. But the effects of the CD chip are permanent. |
Davidpritchard, I would be very concerned about throwing the cd out of balance. I would also be concerned about the Chip being thrown off. |
Davidpritchard, I stuck a WA Cable Chip directly onto each row of breaker switches at the breaker box. Now, THAT I heard! Then, on the advice of Steve at The Cable Co. I removed the metal plate surrounding the breaker box to expose the internal cabling for the circuit breakers and applied one WA Cable Chip directly around the power cable at the point where it comes into the breaker for the circuit for my system (rather than sticking the chip directly on the breakers themselves). This location location turned out to be even more powerful without side effects like over etching or shutting in the sound. However, it does raise some very puzzling questions about how the WA Cable Chip actually works. |
That was me- David Pritchard. Anyone try a chip on a CD? |
The chips work with the AMR Gold fuses,took them off the Supremes and notice similar improvement to sound. |
Whaddyaknow? Someone somewhere posted he didn't have any luck with the WA Transformer Chip on his transformer, but that he did have good luck with the Transformer Chips on the grills of his Sennheiser Headphones. Well, guess what? I also didn't have any luck with my 2 WA Transformer Chips on my headphone amp's large toroidal transformer so I stuck the WA Chips directly on the frame of my Sennheiser 600s right next to the transducers (No grills on these babies). Voila! Next up, a bunch of WA Chips for large capacitors for my headphone Amp and in the Oppo 103 analog section + WA Chip for fuse in headphone amp + WA DAC chip for Oppo 103. |
Boeing, they are quite component specific and their expense varies greatly. Some are very effective and others much less so. Everything is trial and error.
Gbmcleod, my old Western Electric and Reimyo 300B amps took a long time to sound their best. Not three hours but close to that. |
tweakaudio, interesting comment as i am mpretty sure the chip has nothung to do with magnetism. As it the chip sounds superb, by the way... kind of unbelievable really. |
Goodwin:
Good sense of humour, mate! Tube amps don't take 3 hours to warm up, but the chips do seem to develop whatever "magic" is in them over a period of hours. The diary entry was an update of how it sounded after 3 hours of the Quantum chips, which was, I'm sure, your making a joke.
However, just so you know (in case you don't), there are some amps that do not like to be turned off. Older Krells (that may be BYT [Before Your Time]) did not sound great if turned off for an hour or two and then back on, something well documented in the pages of TAS. |
Have not tried the chips..but Geoff remove the ferrous front cover plate from you ac box and then take another listen.Tom |
Hi Guys, has anybody tried the fuse chips on their cables and had any success or are the chips case specific. |
Ozzy, thanks for the tip. I placed a cable chip on both banks of breakers and that did the trick. |
Geoffkait, Try a Power chip and the cable chip on the breaker box.
I actually have 2 of both on my breaker box. |
G_goodwin, I have both. That is, many of the chips and the Stein speaker match plus.
The speaker match plus is different than the chips. |
Have been playing around with WA Quantum Chips for a while. I have been using three cable chips and two transformer chips. I am using them in a headphone system comprising a modded Oppo 103 and Bada PH12 Hybrid SET tube headphone amp along with naked Sennheiser 600s. Cabling by Analysis Plus and Nordost, all of which has been cryo'd and broken in on the latest Audiodharma Cable Cooker. I am determined to get to the bottom of the WA Quantum Chips; however, so far I have to side with those who have had inconsistent results. I admit I am probably not the best person to evaluate these chips IF it's TRUE that they need a few days or a week to settle in, since there is SO MUCH else to do besides wait around for the chips to settle in. So, far I have not had an Ah, ha! moment. Last night I removed all WA Chips from the system and will try a new strategy for them in the next day or two such as trying a cable chip on the breaker box. |
Your amps are not warmed up after 3 hours?
Crazy!
Anyone compared these to Stein Speaker Match? |
So, using this as a diary entry, it's now 2:03 a.m., exactly 3 hours, 15 minutes after I put the WA quantum chip on the capacitor (at 10:48 p.m.).
There is enough of a change in that time to note several things: the backup vocalists on Big Barn Bed (McCartney, Red Rose Speedwagon lp) have blossomed and it's fuller-sounding. The spotlighted effect, a sort of grainiess on guitar transients is noticeably less in effect, and the vocal harmonies on the Eagles, "New Kid" cut is back. Pretty cool at the 3-hour mark, and the amps are not fully warmed up. |
Sorry, I meant the "Big Barn Bed" cut on McCartney's Red Rose Speedway album. |
Antigrunge:
Having just received some more chips for different placement (capacitor, op-amp/dac chips), I decided to place the capacitor chip on my cj preamp. I had played The Eagles Hotel California album (specifically, the "Hotel California: and "New Kid in Town" cuts, and Paul McCartney's Red Rose album ("Red Rose Barn" and "My Love" cuts).
It's barely been a half hour and the thing I noticed immediately is the forwardness in the midrange/upper midrange, so, coming online and seeing your observation, I had to smile. Interestingly enough, the upper bass/lower mirange seems sucked out a bit: the backup voices on "Red Rose Barn" (McCartney) were less obviously Black backup singers (I'm also a Black backup singer...well, I WAS one), and more generic in tone, as though the throatiness that characterizes a great deal of 60s and 70s singers. I found this fascinating.
I'll observe more tomorrow when I replay the same cuts. Neither McCartney nor the Eagles' alubms sound like they're that well recorded, which actually makes it easier to hear when the voices have a smoother octave-to-octave transition. The Eagles "New Kids in Town" lost the harmonies of Henley and Frey as two separate voices, but the transient information is unquestionably sharper on guitars in particular, so it may simply be that the mid/upper mids improve immediately: the lower mids and upper bass, later.
Hard consonants (like K, T, and exhalations) are clearer, I don't think - at least, so far - that the midbass/low bass changes noticeably with the Quantum chips. But given that the noise floor is lower with the chips, the bass instruments as a whole "pulsate" more vividly.
A fascinating product. |
Charles1dad, oh, yes, they improve with time. And if you remove them and later put them on something else, you experience the same thing.
Antigrunge, You remind me that I haven't put one on my cartridge yet.
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