Vinyl record grading


Hi

I’ve recently acquired several 50’s jazz records in below-average condition. I’m not interested in keeping them, because my jazz tastes are from mainly 70’s and up and my collection is mainly VG+ to M-

The record labels are also desirable such as Atlantic, Verve, Prestige and Fantasy.

After cleaning with ultrasonic machine (hand-made by me) they sounded as if they would grade at least VG being visually graded not more than G+. Even those that grade as G play great with very minimal surface noise.

Would you price it to the sound-testing or visual testing?

czarivey

You have to clean it with an ultrasonic record cleaner - that might take away some of the ticks/pops.  From my experience, it has to do with how the records were stored.  If the records were stored in a ~ dust free environment, the chances of them sounding good after an ultrasonic cleaning is better. However, if they weren't stored properly, the chances of the ticks/pops going away are slim. I try and return records that have scratches, ticks/pops and impact playback - depending on if they are rated NM or nigher.

I had records pulled out from the jacket sounding noisy. For example the original pretty famous and common double-album "Who's afraid of Monk". Had it sealed since long time ago, but once landed needle it started from cracking noise and had it through all of the records. 

I agree, it's about buyer expectations. You want to protect 100% rating.

I don't feel competent to use grades like others, so I came up with two categories:

1. Darn Good: visible but inaudible scuffs

2. Very Darn Good: no visible scuffs

I don't sell anything with even a small scratch or bimp, and I give unconditional returns on everything I sell. 

the covers, I let the photos speak for themselves, with specific notes if needed.

Mono LP's scuffs, slight warpage: may not be audible with your mono cartridge, but a buyer might play it with a stereo cartridge and those scuffs, slight warps could be apparent. Test that with your stereo cartridge, then inform buyer, quiet when played with a mono cartridge.

I would think small scale selling (50 LPs) would make the ideal situation very plausible: play-testing every LP after cleaning, grading conservatively (on the visual side unfortunately) and leaving a nice description regarding how it sounds.  If it sounds VG, or VG+, great, write that.  Just don’t grade it VG if it looks rough.  I myself don’t care about how the actual vinyl looks.  I play them for the sound. As you already know, some people care how the vinyl looks.

When I’ve purchased a VG+ record, and it sounds tremendous (maybe even looks closer to NM) I’m a happy, satisfied customer.  When I’ve purchased a NM record (which I stopped doing years ago - too many disappointments) that looks new and sounds noisy as hell (whether that’s surface noise or groove damage) I’m pissed.

It not only inspires consumer confidence in me when I see nice written descriptions of the item, but it seems that those sellers usually are good ones, grading conservatively but taking the time to describe how it looks and sounds, etc.  This is just my personal experience.

Record buyers are a finicky bunch.  I’ve sent a few back, the vast majority of the time the sellers are cool about it.  It blows my mind sometimes when I see some sellers with 10,000+ transactions and a 99+% rating. With this crowd, I don’t know how they do it.

@noromance ,

Technically even between G ad VG+ should not be much difference. Logically, within between good and very good you should have good or very good experience listening to those, but Goldmine standard of grading is slightly different where rating G can show a lot of surface wear.

So rating G is typically "not so Good"; G+ -- slightly better than "not so Good" and VG is average wear condition...

 

Almost splitting hairs between VG and G+. Pricing is going to be on the low end either way. If it was me, I'd grade them a G but note that they were US cleaned and sound VG.

After cleaning with ultrasonic machine (hand-made by me) they sounded as if they would grade at least VG being visually graded not more than G+

I too am curious about vinyl values. Seems to me audiophiles would be much more concerned with sound quality vs esthetics. So the question becomes who's purchasing vinyl these days?  Guess I assumed anyone purchasing older jazz recordings would be in audiophile cohort in which case these albums could be graded higher based solely on sound quality. Seems to me rock or popular music in equal condition would be rated lower, assuming non-audiophile market for these.

50's Jazz labels in good condition? 

Unfortunate, you're not a fan of the  golden era.

Collectors want the complete package. Maybe some music/audio  fans will be more interested in SQ over superficial scuffs.

Prepare to price on low end of Discogs scale.

I have my share of visually questionable LP's that play fine.

 

Grading is about your reputation and buyer expectations. Personally I would rather have ugly records that sound great than pretty ones that sound horrible ( common ).