"If he said something negative it would make people sit up like the dead in a horror film."
LOL!
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It would be pretty nice to see some frequency response graphs.
The only ones I know of are few from Stereophile many years back, and “Erin’s Audio Corner” measured an older 2C ~ a year ago.
As for other speakers; not seeing the step function response, or a step function response which is at odds with how the sound pressure hit the microphone… just bugs me. And therefore it excludes most speakers I look at, or consider looking at.
(I kinda like them to be technically correct as an opening bid.)
^That^ excludes a lot of (on the surface) seemingly nice sounding speakers pretty quickly.
Steve gives them an excellent rating
I’d expect nothing less.
But since he rarely gives a negative review, it is a low bar for entry, and doesn’t tell us much. If he said something negative it would make people sit up like the dead in a horror film.
Whether or not you think Vandersteen models are getting brighter will depend on how far you go back with the company. I bought my first pair in 1996 and my last pair in 2014, my 4th, and they were voiced differently to my ears. I always suspected it was finally a reaction to the reviews.
I got mine a dozen year earlier… so I go back further.
I would expect that they would gradually get more neutral over time from available XO parts, an upgraded XO design, and likely drivers that have less ringing and resonances.
And it is possible that the early days they could have been a bit “toned down” for SS equipment that was overly bright. (Dunno, but it could be possible??)
So being as they were on the warm side earlier (40+ years ago), then anything more towards neutral would be viewed as brighter in comparison today. And maybe less so over a 25 year span.
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Roger that on the MBLs, though the "affordable one", which is $14k, is a bit shy on bass. I've heard the Linkwitz, which is similar, at a show and the soundstage was almost 360 degrees. Eerie! You have to bring them WAY out in the room though, and I am not able to do that.
The Larsen 9 interests me too. It's not an MBL, but the way the drivers fire makes them much more room placement friendly, and create a wall of sound. This review is good:
LARSEN 9 review
"If I may borrow one of HP’s phrases once more, this is a speaker that should be heard by every student of the audio arts. The idea of using boundary placement to reduce the influence of the listening room on the sound has been around for a long time and tried in various ways. But it remains rather unusual. All you have to do is look through audio magazines to see that almost all contemporary speakers are really quite a lot alike in their general nature. Some are better than others, and we all have our favorites according to various theories and listening experiences. But there is a considerable sense of “déjà vu all over again.” The Larsens are members of a family, too, in some sense. But their family of boundary-placement speakers is a very much smaller one. The Larsens offer a unique sound that to my ears is unusually true to actual music, and they are unusual, too, in their ease of effective placement in the room. They offer their unique sound with a truly minimal disturbance of domestic life. Whether their unique sound is for you is something you need to experience for yourself. You will have not heard anything else much like the sound—except of course in live music."
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Yes, the Quatro is the best 'bang for the buck' speaker, not only in the Vandy line up, but in regards to all the speakers out there.
A pair of Treo's with Sub 3's will get you to a Quatro. -Maybe even better, as you can position the Sub 3's to optimize bass output, though the graphic equalizer should minimize this.
I, too, am drawn to the MBL's like a moth to a flame. I am still waiting to find a pair of 121's at the right price. However, John Rutan told me that they don't scale well, and you might find out that the piano is way over sized in imaging.
For me, I just love the design, as well as the omni-directional concept.
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I wouldn't consider myself a fanboy, just resistant to change. 😎
I've heard other excellent speakers I like at hi-fi shows, and read the hi-fi magazines, but I can't afford to "scratch the itch" and make frequent changes like some people seem to be able to do. And I am lazy! When you change speakers and then have to adjust amps etc to better match the speakers, that gets expensive and complicated. The one speaker I would like to listen to before I buy Treo CTs is the Larsen 9, because it's so different than most anything (AbSound did a good review of them). I like the idea of having some Magnepans for a second system, but they have to be placed so far out from the front wall and I don't have a spot for that. The Legacy Audios seem to be a good value, and a friend's dad loves his, but they are huge. Too big.
But no matter what else I have listened to, the Vandersteens acquit themselves very well, for my taste. The Quatro CT is imho as much a great value (in its class) as the 2CE Sig III is, even with the price increases. The Quatro CT is the sweet spot for performance vs cost. For more money (a lot more!) I'd have the Kento in a heartbeat, I think, and there are only a handful of other speakers I would audition when deciding.
There are a dozen or more elite speakers which intrigue me, but they are all REALLY expensive, and I am not sure why I bother knowing about them. The MBL Radialstrahler 101 for $70k (the 120 is "only" $24k), the Rockports, Estelon, Joseph Audio (actually pretty competitively priced to Vandy), Magico (maybe), Wilson, Stenheim Alumine (very efficient). I'd prefer USA made, like the Vandersteen. Robert Harley loves the Rockports, but they are really expensive...so far out of my league it is silly.
Good discussion on the Vandersteen Forum about the Vandy DNA, incl the consistency of design principles among all their speakers. Richard V chimes in. TOMIC is someone who let me listen to his Vandersteen 7s (with matching Vandy monoblocks) and they were amazing, but he swears that when he listens to his Treo CTs at 1/5th the price (and with more modest amplification) he gets nearly the same satisfaction and the sound is consistent in quality.
Thread:
Vandy Forum thread
Happy listening!
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IMHO, the older models were rolled off, the more recent iterations more neutral.
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my 3a sigs are from 2007, definitely a smooth top end, slightly rolled -- made alot of popular cd’s -- and powerful but not so subtle solid state power amps -- sound listenable
of course, there is enough resolution there that when you hook up some fine, tippity top flight power amps they certainly sound great, but treble still a little recessed, coupled lots of mid/midbass warmth... like how real music sounds in at the symphony!
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Whether or not you think Vandersteen models are getting brighter will depend on how far you go back with the company. I bought my first pair in 1996 and my last pair in 2014, my 4th, and they were voiced differently to my ears. I always suspected it was finally a reaction to the reviews.
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Yeah, I wouldn’t call a Vandersteen speaker “bright”. Street smart and savvy? Maybe. Never bright. But what do I know? I’m a Vandersteen fanboy, too.
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I would not call Vandersteen’s bright or forward. At all.
With the 2CE III, it has more to do with incorporating the more refined drivers of his more expensive models (Treo & Quatro). Something Richard has done since the advent of the Treo. The same was true with my Vandy 2CE II’s, which I still have, but Treo’s are now the main speakers for 2 channel listening.
Yes, Richard does personally voice his speakers, but not only by ear. From the web site:
Vandersteen does not rely on listening alone to make claims of sonic excellence. Vandersteen Audio is the first loudspeaker manufacturer to use the Gen-Rad 2512 Fast Fourier Transform Computer Analyzer in research and development and remains a leader for interfacing complex loudspeaker parameters and performance computer analysis with practical design and engineering.
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vandy’s classic designs certainly have an enduring degree of excellence
seems true what folks say though, as richard v has gotten older, has some high frequency hearing loss, and as he still personally voices new designs and version updates, the speakers are getting brighter with each iteration
does coincide with the overall market movement towards a more treble-forward, upfront detailed sound... certainly seems to be the case with ol’ 2ce (new in version 8) according to steve g...
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Hey Patrick, nice to see someone else confirm your thoughts on the new 2CE III’s, but you already knew how good they are.
Hats off to both Steve and Johnny.
As Vandersteen ‘fan boys’, a little good press never hurts reinforcing our own choices and preferences. 3 pairs of Vandy’s and counting 😁
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