Are you sure you mean 2800 sq. ft. not 280. If 2800 you’ll need some power, even with La Scala's. Maybe someone with theater amplification experience will chime in.
Tube amp/ preamp advice
Hi everyone, I have bene listening to a Technics 1200 SL with a MM Nagaoka 110 cart for a number of years now. Primarily, I listen to rock, hip hop, electronic and jazz.
I am a purist at heart, and have always longed for the analog qualities of a tube amp and preamp. Looking to drive a set of la scalas with a woofer in tow. The space I will be moving my setup to is a loft above a 2800 square foot garage, so the la scalas seem like a good choice to really push some decibels.
Currently I am playing my technics through a pioneer receiver (cringe), however I am looking to go to a purely tube setup - I love the way my tube guitar amp sounds - its lively and warm qualities.
I'm here to ask for recommendations on a tube amp/ preamp config. I have been researching this for weeks and the amount of information/ selections are daunting. I keep jumping back and forth between integrated amps like the Linear Tube Audio, or MA352 but I really don't think an integrated is a future proof solution. I'm concerned that I will want more flexibility and be trapped with the integrated amps components.
Thank you for any suggestions
John
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@marco1 , it is a 70x40 garage with an 800 sq foot loft. your inquiry is a good point, I am primarily looking to fill the loft that with sound.
@soix For sound characteristics, my preference is the warm rich sound of tubes, and would prefer to have a setup that doesn't compromise in bass. Budget is 5-10K. |
I wouldn’t recommend LTA as they have a more neutral sound as tubes go and not really warm if that’s what you’re looking for. Maybe McIntosh, VAC, Zesto, Prima Luna, Shindo, Conrad Johnson, etc. Best of luck. |
Anything from 2wpc and up will fit the bill, but if you’re going to crank it up to fill a larger room maybe 20wpc and up. Really any tube amp will work. If you want a warmer side stick with traditional old-style tubes like 2A3,300b, EL34, EL84. Also consider tube rectified with a choke. You’re probably going to want to look for a push pull EL34 about 35wpc I bet that would more then fit the bill in a larger room. I ran my set off 2A3 SET 2.5wpc in a medium sized room with no issues but I’m not a loud listener (75-85db).
Something else to consider is total gain especially in your preamp. you’re going to want a preamp with lower gain to give you some volume range other then the first two clicks on a volume knob. I struggled with this for a while. Also, noise levels are always going to be in issue with 105db speakers so a quite low noise design is a must. I’d stay away from amps like the Wilsenton R8 etc. with the newer KT tubes they are not what I would call a warmer tube sound, more modern and neutral if not a bit harsher. Triode labs and Finale Audio is my recommendation for tube amps for LaScala’s.
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35wpc seems a bit low to me in that large space McIntosh MC275 would give you 2 x 75wpc with 4/8/16 ohm taps (what impedance are your LaScala? future option for a second for a pair of 150 wpc mono blocks, (in case you change to less efficient speakers some day) but no 16 ohms, bridged options become 2,4,8 ohm taps MC275 listed here, asking $2,900 MC275 LE 50th anniversary limited edition Tube Preamp: Staying vintage, leaves you plenty to get a McIntosh Tube Tuner/Preamp, I love my MX110z, if it died, I would replace it without hesitation, one of the reasons is it's wonderful sounding MM Phono Inputs 1 and 2. Only a SUT needed to use LOMC, retain sound of the MX110z's phono. I had Audio Classics overhaul my MX110z, including all new gold plated RCA Jacks MX110z, was serviced by Richard Modafferi at Audio Classics https://www.audioclassics.com/mods
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Quicksilver Audio see here Mike |
I’d stay away from flea powered amps. 800 sq.ft.is still a good size area. You’ll need power particularly if you are going to crank it. Years ago, I had a friend who converted his garage into a party room. About same size as your loft. He had 4 Klipsch horn’s, one in each corner, powered by 2 large Mac SS amps, 400w-500w each. He lived on a cul-de-sac and when he cranked it we would open the overhead doors, go outside and sit in the middle of the cul-de-sac circle to listen lol. |
Thank you for all of your advice. I am very new to the tube world. I have always been smitten by the 275, I'll do some research on them. Preferably, I would like to have a preamp that is solely an amp, and no tuner integrated. Now that we've narrowed it down to a 275, can you make any recommendations for that? |
You need to actually hear your candidate amplifiers. Tube amps are WAY more variable in sound than high quality solid state amps. I personally don’t like the MC 275 amp, in particular, anything made in the past 25 years or so. They sound so dead to me. Obviously, a lot of others like them, do it is a personal preference. |
I know you and I want separates, but consider Preamp AND Integrated for volume control. One advantage of an integrated is they are typically newer with remote volume, that is why I bought my Cayin Integrated Tube Amp, so I could use my Vintage Full Featured mx110z tube tuner/preamp with no remote control, leave the mx110z volume at 12 o’clock, and use the Integrated’s remote volume for more or less. To get remote balance, I added a Remote Line Controller, Chase RLC-1, it also has remote volume and mute (tone controls, 4 line inputs, ...): so I could have gone with a single or pair of MC275’s, any Vintage Tube Amp with no remote. this SOLD listing shows it well You MUST have the remote, no controls on the unit, I also use one in my Garage/Shop system thru the adapter loop of my Vintage Yamaha Receiver so I have remote mute and volume when working on projects. Over many years, in all 3 of my systems: No one has ever been able to tell if it is in or out, you silently get the benefit of it’s features. Chase RLC-1 also has automatic/progressive bass boost for very low volume listening. It’s sitting on top of a Sony Front Loading Drawer type FL-1 TT which I got so I could fit more legacy components in the stack below it: 8 Track, Dual Cassette; CD Changer
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If you don't need remote control, I would agree with jond that Audio Note Oto or Soro integrated amps are great choices in warmer sounding tube gear. My absolute favorite in your price range is the Synthesis Audio A 40 (40 wpc) integrated amp that includes a very good DAC; it also has remote control of volume and input selection). The A 40 employs KT66 tubes. I generally like amps that run 6l6 (like the Soro) or KT 66 (like the A 40) and EL 84 tubes (like the Oto). I am less enamored with higher power tubes like the KT 88 or 6550, or KT 120. |