I’m reading that you enjoy listening at higher levels than the Arros are comfortable. 4.5" single midbass drivers are a real constraint here. Port chuffing means the box was tuned too low, or the vent was too small. Again, the Arro’s box volume just looks too big for the teensy driver, unless they blocked it off inside.
Dynaudios are generally tuned warm and fat. The Contours use 6.5" woofers, rear-ported, which I’d have thought would be fine, so I wonder if they were exacerbating a room mode, too close to a corner or boundary. What does it sound like in your room when you clap your hands? Is it more muffled than sharp? Perhaps it’s overdamped.
How big is the room? How much flexibility do you have in terms of speaker placement from rear and side walls? What’s your listening distance? Also, what amp are you using?
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Try the Fritz models. Bespoke designs, the 6.5" sliced-paper mid woofer used is really outstanding.
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Motokokusanagi, I’ve had around 10 different pairs of speakers in the past year and a half in this same listening room with the same equipment. Those Contours were the most bass heavy speaker I had in this room and I’ve had Dynaudio Xeo 6’s and Infinity betas (2 10” woofers in each speaker) and neither of those overwhelmed with bass. My room is about halfway treated. I have Gik bass traps. I’ve got 6 244 panels, 3 monster bass traps and then 3 panels that really only tame slap echo. My set-up is straightforward. Anthem I225 amp, bluesound node 2i. Analysis Plus Oval 8 speaker cables (love ‘em), audioquest diamond hyperlitz rca’s, cullen crossover series power cable, porter port outlet. No concerns regarding placement as this is a secondary bedroom that I made my dedicated room. I have always pulled my speakers out really far from the walls. I prioritize imaging and a clean sound over having fuller bass and not such a good soundstage (which is what I experience whenever I have my speakers closer than about 2 feet to any wall).
Interestingly, The Arros have the best bass response in my listening room that I’ve had. The cabinets are sealed off from the lower section. The cabinets are reinforced as well and are pretty solid. The bottom half is full of sand.
@erik_squires I was almost certain that you were going to recommend a speaker kit! My hesitation with that right now would be that my setup would be down until I finished them and I am doing too much listening right now.
As far as Fritz, yes they look awesome. Fritz and Salk have been the 2 smaller boutique brands that have been interesting me lately. The only problem is my budget is tight right now with me being out of work. I only have around $650 or $700 to spend at the moment.
With all that in mind, do I stay put and save more money? Or do I switch to Ventos, Rainmakers, Sierra 1’s, Monitor Audio Silver 6?
The hardest part about this for me is that I like the sound signature of the Arros, I just want more volume and dynamics, not a different sound really. I actually prefer the sound of the Arros over quite a few other speakers that I’ve recently had... |
I was hooked on the Totem sound for many years...ultimately for me to get that dynamic life and unrestricted dynamics I switched to JBL 4429’s. That said, a used pair of Hawks would most likel satisfy you.
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Sounds like everything’s (room, system) nailed on, except budget right now. I used to have the i225 and am familiar with some of your other gear. I don’t think $650-700 would bring the change needed new (or even used, looking at what’s out there).
I’d suggest holding on til budget can be increased like you said (assume you’re also figuring trade-in or resale of the Arros) and why not start by looking upwards through the Totem catalog for models with heftier drivers?
If you can build speaker cabinets and crossovers, I’d also consider DIY kit designs for extra value as well as being able to cherry pick design parameters (drivers, speaker dimensions, crossover).
They’re expensive new, but I think you’d really like the ATC SCM11. Used ones come up now and again. v3 has the ATC tweeter. The SCM12 Pro is the same speaker aimed at the pro market, but might be found for cheaper. They can play really loud without distortion, have a natural tone, and I find them very musical. Bass is surprisingly good, despite being sealed, cause of the large motor in the ATC midbass driver.
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@motokokusanagi,
I’m familiar with Atc and actuslly had some Scm7 v3 that were downright amazing; the only thing was bass output again. There were certain songs where the kickdrum would overload that 5” driver. I was hearing breakup / distortion on just the kickdrums on certain songs and at a very moderate level. I thought the drivers had been damaged but after e-mailing atc, their response was that I was just over driving the speakers. But oh my gosh, I loved those speakers as well. I was so in love with ATC’s sound that I have considered moving up to the SCM11, but I’d want to be certain that I wouldn’t have the same issue with fhe 11’s that I had with the 7’s. I’m not a bass head but I do listen at higher volumes every once in awhile.
Anyhow, good advice and maybe I should just hold tight until I can spend $1k-$1.5k rather than going through a bunch of effort to make a lateral move right now.
Maybe I’ll just buy an upgraded power cord for the bluesound and another porter port for the time being.
@dave_b , thanks for the input! Its good to know where you go after Totem speakers, not that they are an end all by any means. I’ve been hearing about those JBL’s here on Audiogon quite a bit, enjoy!
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I only recommend speaker kits if I think the OP is kit-curious, or just sound bored. :)
I mean, of course I start threads about it, and they are generally well received, but I don't mind people buying commercial.
What I want to get out of more audiophiles building kits is to have more people around who have made stuff. Changes your experience and agenda. You become a resource for those who only read and buy.
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Well, if you can get to Lexington, KY or Long Island, NY for local pickup there are a couple pairs of Thiel CS1.6es on eBay for $500. I had these in my system and their 3D imaging is outstanding and they’re surprisingly dynamic and were unflappable no matter how hard I pushed them. For 500 bucks I think you’ll be absolutely thrilled with them over your Arrows. Only downside is that Thiel is obviously out of business so parts may become an issue down the road, but at this price I think it’s well worth the risk. Best of luck.
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@erik_squires , I think kits are a great way to get some really nice components for less than you’d pay buying new. I’m going to build one someday soon I hope. I’d like to have a kit in addition to speakers already in my listening room so that way I can take my time with a kit. I repaired and painted some Kef Qx5’s last summer and the paint job was a bear. It took 2 weeks to complete all the prep, painting, sanding, etc but they turned out amazing. Zero orange peel. I’m a bit ocd when it comes to paint due to me detailing cars as a hobby.
@soix , Im in Colorado, so thats too far away. I actually saw those yesterday. Im not really familiar with the different models of Thiel but they have always caught my attention. They come up used on my local c-list from time to time. Thiels seem to get good reviews. I like the fact that they are time and phase coherent!
Anyhow, I think I’m just going to hang tight until I can save up more money and buy something like ATC, Fritz, or Salk. I’m trying to get some nice drivers and a nice finish so $1200-$1500 might be more realistic.
I’ve got great taste, just no money, LoL.
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Hmmm,
How about trying a pair of Magnepan LRS speakers?
They fit your budget exactly.Sounds like you have tried a bunch of different speakers but not a panel type speaker. If anything it would be an interesting departure that you might really enjoy. They are selling like hot cakes so you wouldn’t have a hard time selling them if you decide to sell later.
Plus Magnepan gives a pretty generous (I think 60 days) to test at home, it would cost you shipping only to try them.
So lots of reasons (perhaps) against Magnepans depending your criteria but again they might surprise and satisfy you.
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