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This qualifies for "best of the best". It was first posted by Foster_9. What makes this so unique is the fact that it was never recorded on an LP. I bought the LP with "Senor Blues" on it, and this is different and much better. Something happens in a live performance that can never be duplicated. When you look at this you are witnessing an incredible slice of jazz history. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HOu5iWhexE0 |
Orpheus 10 - I agree about Pettiford vs Mingus. I hesitate to call anyone the best ever, but Pettiford is easily in the conversation. My personal favorite is Lynn Seaton, but that's more because I know and learned from him than any particular recording. |
I don't have any CDs with Pettiford as a leader. Almost surely as a member of a group. I am not in the debate thingy either. Around 1987 I just stopped buying LPs. And since they are all in storage and hard to get to, I am not exactly sure what I have on LP. Some are stand out records and I remember the album art. Ray Bryant's 'Slow Freight'. I remember the light on the caboose. Great music. I have almost all the essential stuff on CD now. And a few even on SACD. |
By the way, I am absolutely not in that CD, LP debate. It just so happens that the music I seek is only available on high priced LP's. Recently, some of those "high priced LP's" became available on normally priced CD's. I would have no objection to purchasing them if I didn't already own the LP.
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Do you have Oscar Pettiford in your collection? He is the best bassist ever. While Charles Mingus is the best "music maker", Pettiford is the best bassist.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMaqzjSx7a4
In my opinion, this is his best LP.
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I have several LPs of the three sounds, but only one on CD, 'Babes Blues.' Their CDs seem to be sort of expensive on amazon. I will have to look again and try to find them used. They were one of my favorite groups back in the late 60's. Good 'accessible' Jazz. |
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Rok2id, whatever it was, it's no longer worth mentioning. |
Rok2id
Regardless if you like it or not, your becoming the latest Agon "star". I make sure to check out all your posts(lol)!!! Keep it up. |
I don't understand why you think we have 'issues'. Was it something I said? |
As bad as I hate to admit it, you got good taste in jazz; I have all of the artists and most of the albums. |
1. Dee Dee Bridgewater - Love and Peace, A tribute to Horace Silver
2. Ernestine Anderson - Never Make Your Move Too Soon
3. Charles Mingus - Mingus At Antibes
4. Horace Silver - Blowin' The Blues Away
5. Horace Silver - Song For My Father
6. Dee Dee Bridgewater - Eleanora Fagan, To Billie With Love
7. Oscar Peterson Trio - +One with Clark Terry
8. Best of Ella Fitzgerald & Louis Armstrong
9. Gene Harris - The Best of the Concord Years
10. Houston Person & others - Jazz In An R&B Groove
Good places to start. Hard to go wrong with any Oscar Peterson or Horace Silver. |
Junglern
Since you asked for vocals 4/5 are vocal recordings.
1-Roberta Gambarini-Easy to Love-Best pure jazz vocalist to emerge in the past 10 years.
2-Susannah McCorkle-How do you Keep the Music Playing-No flash or trash here, just no nonsense vocals with perfect diction.
3-Joe Williams-Nothing but the Blues-Quite possibly his best recording ever.
4-Rare Silk-New Weave-Favorite jazz vocal group recording. Out of print but well worth the cost of obtaining it.
5-Art Blakey and the Jazz Messengers-Keystone 3-Branford and Wynton Marsalis are sublime on this recording.
All 5 recordings are sonically above average. With the McCorkle and Williams recordings being reference level. |
Hey Rok, I plan on making enough juice off the bets to finance a new cartridge !!!! :) |
Tpreaves:
I appreciate your confidence in me. :) |
OK, I appreciate the white flag. Plz understand, it's not WHAT you say, but HOW you say it that disturbs me. You don't care for Coltrane? Fine, not everybody does. You like Wynton? Great! So do I. As a Jazz-lover I worry about the kind of statements you make being detrimental.
But we're cool;) |
Rok, I'm takin' side bets on that !!!! :) |
Tpreaves
I promised to fight no more in the new year. |
Damn, just when it was startin' to get good !!!!! |
Chazro:
I did something I never do. I never check a person's previous posts. A while ago, I checked some of your previous posts. I now think I understand your musical taste better. I am sorry I called you an ignoramus. It was uncalled for, and not true, but I can't delete it. After reading several of your posts on music, it's obvious to me that we will never agree on anything pertaining to music. So lets just leave it at that. Sorry again about the ignoramus thing. I try to never call names. But, it is good to have music lovers on this site. We need all we can get. Happy listening. BTW, I used to work for IBM in Atlanta. |
sorry
an ignoramus. like to get it correct. |
You seem familiar. I think I remember having a talk with you before. Ah yes, Still waiting on that list. BTW, you are consistent also. You were a ignoramus then, and you are a ignoramus now. |
"I suspect people 'like' coltrane because it's the cool thing to do."
"I do know that he is JAZZ at this point in the history of the music"
I've gotta hand it to you, at least you're consistent! It's so obvious that you have NO CLUE as to what you're talking about that it's laughable. Once again, I'd suggest you do the legwork/homework before opening up your mouth. Here's a newsflash for you; YOU'RE WRONG! |
Wynton is a sideman, he was fantastic with Blakey; but his creative juices are lacking. I agree with most of the other BS you Wynton fans laid down. |
"I think such arguments are absurd, and usually are based in anti-intellectualism. Wynton is a very soulful player."
That's telling them! Well Said. |
I have to chime in here and again stick up for Wynton Marsalis. He is very well respected in the music world not just for his impeccable technique but also for his musicianship. He takes the same bad rap in the jazz world that someone like Alfred Brendel does in the classical piano world. Both of these artists have incredible depth to them, and both are among the most versatile musicians in the world. Some folks seem to feel that because they are cerebral players, that this means that they couldn't possibly have heart. I think such arguments are absurd, and usually are based in anti-intellectualism. Wynton is a very soulful player. |
It could be that I am so impressed with Wynton because of his knowledge of and his ability to 'Explain,' the music to others. Esp the young. he talks then demonstrates on the trumpet. I think he is at his best in an ensemble, such as the Orch at Lincoln center. I do know that he is JAZZ at this point in the history of the music, and it could not be in better hands. In many ways his talent and current role is similar to that of Louis Armstrong back in the day. He is also just as at home with classical music as he is with Nawlins Jazz. Without him we would all be drowning in a sea of smooth, free, contemporary, world, mind numbing noise, errr I mean Jazz. |
Can't believe nobody's mentioned Bill Berry's Duke Ellington Allstars record 'For Duke.' Sonics to die for, and an incredible performance to boot. Recorded direct-to-wax. |
Wynton's technique is OK and he is such a lousy "music maker", right.
Clark Terry is quite good. |
Wynton is the master of the his instrument, but I don't like his music. Post a "youtube" of your favorite music by Wynton so that I can hear it. |
"Wynton Marsalis might be the worlds best trumpet player, but he's one of the worst "music makers"; only aficionados understand that contradiction."
It's not a contradiction, it's just incorrect. I implied the opposite about miles. I felt his playing had a sameness to it, lacking in dynamic range to my ear. But some great stuff. I like the 'blare' every now and then from a trumpet player. Clark terry etc.... Wynton does it all. Complete master of the instrument and is currently carrying Jazz on his back. Listen to the trumpets and brass on 'a closer walk with thee' on Marsalis and Clapton play the blues. Also the solo on 'layla' wow!. The fact that you agree with me, shows there is hope for you yet. |
I cant't believe I'm agreeing with Rok2id, that's twice this year.
I saw "Trane" live, and not only did he lose me; but he lost the rest of the musicians he was playing with.
Towards the end, Miles thought his farts sounded melodic.
Wynton Marsalis might be the worlds best trumpet player, but he's one of the worst "music makers"; only aficionados understand that contradiction. |
I don't know. I heard then play too. She used to be John's wife back in eighties. |
Katia Labeque:
Does she still play with her sister? I have them playing Gershwin. Their version of Summertime is great. Good disc to test your systems ability to reproduce piano. |
And this.
http://youtu.be/71XXQXY0yvA |
Here is somethin' different.
http://youtu.be/ArW9SxvV-bk |
You are correct. It's almost impossible to stay great and popular until the very last note you play. I didn't think about it the right way. |
Every great musician makes noise and plays junk from time to time, but that's not the point. Point is what else they can do. |
"I just like Miles and Coltrane and don't think anyone can really compare playing trumpet and sax."
SShhhhhhhhhhhh not so loud. Some of these misguided souls actually think Louis Armstrong could play trumpet. And some even less hip, think that young upstart Wynton Marsalis can play.
On a serious note, I suspect people 'like' coltrane because it's the cool thing to do. Towards the end, he was just making noise. I liked him up to and including A Love Supreme, then he went off the deep end. And they are a multitude of sax players, just as good if not better. Same with the trumpet and miles. I don't really know how to say it, Miles was a great Jazz player. but, is it possible to make great music, and not be a great master of the instrument. I guess that's what I'm trying to say. i may be just rambling. Happy New Year All!! |
Although I like Miles and Coltrane as much as you, "Somethin Else" is still my favorite LP. Do you have it? "Lift to the Scaffold" sounds exactly like someone would expect it to sound, it's about as "dark" as Miles could get. I like it when I'm in that mood.
Glad to hear from you, "Have a Happy New Year"! |
If you didn't name something by Oscar Peterson, you got it wrong. |
I just like Miles and Coltrane and don't think anyone can really compare playing trumpet and sax.
Orpheus10, do you like Miles's "Lift to the Scaffold" soundtrack? I certainly do. |
The best jazz recording ever is "Somethin else" by Cannonball Adderly. It features: Cannonball on sax; Miles on trumpet; Art Blakey on drums; Hank Jones on piano; and Sam Jones on bass.
Let us contrast this LP with "Kinda Blue" by Miles. Cannonball and Miles are on both LP's. We have Coltrane as an additional sax, plus Bill Evans on piano; Paul Chambers on bass and Jimmy Cobb on drums.
In regard to the musicians, the albums are equal; the difference is the music. The music on "Something Else" is prettier and more lyrical. That's the judgment I made a long time ago. It's quite possible that if you listen to both LP's, you will make the same judgment. |
Kind of Blue,You Must Believe in Spring by Bill Evans,Something Else by Cannonball Adderly,Best of Sarah Vaughn on Pablo records, Crazy and Mixed Up by S. Vaughn,Ready for Freddie by the late great Mr. Frederic Dwane Hubbard,Sunflower,by Milt Jackson w/ Freddie Hubbard,Chet in New York, Chet's Choice by of course Chet Baker, thats of course if you can hear, have a soul, and have very good taste .More anytime if you like this stuff and can tolerate a certain amount of arrogance. Tweaker |
I doubt you can find one, but the Audio Fidelity label issued the first stereo LP (using 45 degree grooves) and it was the first of several Dukes of Dixieland recordings. The sonics are superb. |
John Coltrane's Love Supreme. |
Rockadanny, you are more than welcome! I'm gonna have to spring for the 45rpm version of St. James Infirmary one of these days...Cheers,
Spencer |
For me, it starts here;
Miles Davis- Kind of Blue. |
Sbank - Don't be "shocked". I've listened to jazz for 40 years and never heard "Plays King Oliver". But thanks to you I checked it out - fabulous! Thank you for the recommendation! |
