Your hearing does not matter because your ears are not microphones feeding data to a chip. You are listening to music, presumably for emotional satisfaction, so whatever your listening tells you is better for that, is better for that. So pay attention to what pushes those buttons and go that way, and never waste a moment worrying about what others think. Put on Sinatra- I gotta be me!
I generally feel it is better with turntables to think of them as a whole micro-system of four components- turntable, arm, cartridge, and phono stage. At the budget end or for a first table it is fine to get the whole thing as a package with the phono stage a card in a integrated amp. Once you have something like say a $5k VPI with arm and cart, then from there definitely look for a $5k arm to put on it and not a whole new rig.
But you are in kind of a gray area where it could make good sense either way. You might be better off looking at a whole new table/arm/cart instead of trying to put a really good arm on a very tired old table.
Then again if you clean and lube the bearing and put the whole thing on Townshend Pods or Nobsound springs that tired old table might sound pretty damn fine. You just never know. Which is why my advice is to consider your options, chew on it a while, and see what bubbles up. |
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I got 121a luxman.. it sound awesome with fidelity research fr24. if you need a mid compliance. it's often said it's as good as the Graham phantom. and it's easy to install with luxman. and very reasonably priced. I love it and it's my favourite setup now. the detail and separation. texture, musical. naturalness is phenomenal.
cart with tracking force around 1.5-1.75ish will do great. I run signet Mc and, epc 205 cii on it.
3009. will sound pretty good with Stanton 681 or grace f9 or shures v15. however... it's hard to get it to good shape.. and a very manual tonearm
just some of my experiences hope they help
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The Link is to a recent report on a Thread covering Japanese Vintage Turnables along with a few other types. The recent report is produced by a individual who has extensive knowledge and experience of Cartridge > Arm >Turntable permutations from $70 000 down to a $1000+ I feel there might be information to be gathered from the reports made and those yet to come that might be very valuable to you inquiry. It seems like to me your Turntable has a lot going for it. A few careful choices made on supporting ancillaries and the permutation might show another raved about TT a clean set of heals. In the mean time, a Service for the TT, especially investigating what can be dome with the Platter Spindle Bearing and Bearing Housing could prove to be a very valuable endevour. If not already dealt with in the past, chooseing a method to support and isolate the Turnatable can offer very noticeable improvements that are well worth the investment of the time spent seeking the advice on how to achieve the set up. https://www.analog-forum.de/wbboard/index.php?thread/154649-japanische-vintage-totl-plattenspieler/&... |
I have two Luxman PD-444 and many arm bases for them. One of the best tonearm would be FR-64fx, for you it can be PRO version of this tonearm designed for radio deejays / broadcast. This is expensive tonearm! Another great cheaper option is Denon DA-401 tonearm, this is a light mass tonearm. What is your cartridge? |
I'm sure that German forum has some interesting post but you need to know how to read German.
BillWojo
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I would start by identifying which version of the SME 3009 S2 you have as they vary greatly in effective mass.
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Hi, much obliged for all the replies and good suggestions.
I haven’t received the deck yet (about 1 1/2 weeks away before it arrives)
To give a little more detailed description to what I’m looking for; I currently own an Audio Linear 4001 turntable with a Grace 747 tonearm and everything seams a little flimsy to me.
I like a well built mechanical thing that requires little maintenance after the initial setup/adjustments and is easy to use. Do not like products that are over engineered.
thanks again
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Jelco 850, 750 should be able to find reasonably priced and can use the majority of cartridges out there with either of these two models. Good Luck and don’t make it to difficult on yourself.... |
Don't get rid of that TT, one of the greatest direct drives made, no matter what some tired out of the loop member posts. You will need a nine inch arm and there are plenty of options out there. I would prefer a PD 444 which handles a 12 inch arm plus another arm on a second board but a 441 is a gem. Please let me know if you decide to download it. Cheers!
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If the OP has not been able to translate the Link, to which the Link was mainly supplied to, as it was relenent to and may have assisted with their inquiry.
When on the Link, Using Google Translate, (a right click) will present the Tool Bar, select Translate.
I do not feel at any time of use by myself, the change of language has been deficient in the information from the reports being supplied. |
The Luxmann Table is a good one, i would‘t sell it. But the SME Arm is nothing special. I would replace it with FR-64s, Cartridge whatever you like with that Arm. Most modern Tables are nice for the Eye, but cheap made and sooner or later you will find their flaws. |
The SME 3009 was introduced in 1959 and didn't change fundamentally in 2003, 44 years later. A ground-breaking product in its time, it has since been overtaken in SQ by many other arms. Hardly surprising in 62 years - it was only 65 years between man first flying in a powered aeroplane and landing on the moon (an almost incredible statistic if we did not know it to be true).
So we need to move on from the 3009. |
skchun, Do not worry. 95% of the action occurs under 8000 Hz.
Does your Luxman have a removable arm board? You might consider another used SME as they all use the same mounting system. |
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Humm...I like the SME 4 in silver.
Once I receive the table and have a listen, will start a search for a SME 4 in silver, I think it will match well with that table.
The seller stated that the table was fully serviced by “GLEN OAKS LABS,8749-257th ST, QUEENS NY” and has a warranty until august. Does anyone knows the reputation of this shop and should I get it rechecked? |
Sk, if it runs well and does not make any unusual noises don't bother. You can check speed stability with an app on your phone "RPM" |
There is a good opportunity with the information being made available to discuss with Glen Oak Labs what procedures they carried out as part of the TT's service.
As it has a Warranty on their records it should be easy for them to dig out the Invoice and see how there charge was itemised.
Tonearms have their own sonic character and can be a make or break choice.
You are in a very good position to absorb information and assess choices made by other users of the TT.
SME 3009's are a great match for a MM, well that is how I used mine during the 90's, with MM's when I had it mounted on a Garrard 401.
SME IV Models have great marketing, they can get under ones defenses and can become a obsession to be acquired.
The SME IV from my recollections found favour in being used with Idler Drives, as the Tonearm is capable of taming the Overwhelming Bass that can be produced with a Idler Drive.
This is a valuable trait for a Idler Drive, it is not so welcome on other drives.
Careful selection is a consideration for the coupling/matching of a TT>IV.
I still own the SME IV model used on my Garrard 401 with a MC Cartridge, but it is not in use.
I have used a Audiomods Series Five with a MC on another Idler Drive which is a PTP Solid 9 TT.
I have not compared both the IV and the Series Five but there are similarities.
The IV has also been loaned within my HiFi Group, it was on a SP10R and compared to a Origin Live Tonearm and a Glanz Tonearm.
The Glanz was the preferred Tonearm by the SP10R Owner.
I am at present using a Redesigned and Rebuilt Audio Technica AT-1010, on my Direct Drive Turntables with a Rebuilt Moving Coil Cartridge.
It is not only I who has been thoroughly impressed with this Tonearm Design.
Other owners have exchanged their Revered Tonearm Models,
relegating them to the Sub's Bench and the PMAT 1010 has taken their place.
The PMAT 1010 as it is known, is the best Tonearm I have used to date,
my search is finally over in this area of HiFi.
Even though one more breakthrough has been identified for the already impressive design, and is soon to be made available.
As said the selection of a Tonearm can be a make or break choice,
the interaction of the Tonearm with the environment iit is to be used in, is also critical, when the choice is right, it will be a very strong marriage.
Hence a earlier in the thread suggestion to look into the Isolation of the TT.
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Here is a closeup image on my FR-64s with B60 on Luxman PD-444. And this is an image from the bottom. |
Excellent closeups Russian. Love my FR-64fx. |
