Thiel Owners

jafant - I'll check that out. I'll be visiting him early October.

tomthiel

I read an article talking about a modded Oppo 105 player by Bill Thalmann.

I would be interested in learning about the specifics. Perhaps Bill offers "mods" to other Oppo players?

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Happy Friday! All

Sure thing. Also great for speakers.  Mikey posted plans for a platform shoot out for speakers too. TomD

theaudiotweak

Thank You for the link/post.

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Anyone out there wanting to hear a comparison between a so-called isolation platform versus a direct coupled platform may want to experience this video.

TomD

THE PROFOUND IMPROVEMENT AMPLIFIER STANDS MAKE - YouTube

theaudiotweak

Yes, a magnet shift can certainly cause damage to any loudspeaker. No doubt that Rob at CSS can remedy this situation.

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dave43

I agree. It is easier to make a Virtual Systems page.

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Magnet shift may cause the wrinkle or dent in the cone. TomD

Magnet shift may cause the wrinkle or dent in the cone. TomD

dave43

Keep me posted on your Consultation with Rob at CSS.

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tomthiel

Thank you for the confirmation on CSS. Good to read that all is well there in Lexington KY.

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Rob's Coherent Source Service is back up this morning.

Thank you tomthiel and jafant for your help on this.  I tried to post a pic of the woofers but having issues doing so on this forum.  

tomthiel

Thank You for addressing  dave43's  query. Yes, do update us on Rob (CSS).

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jafant - I also get a dead link, but I haven't heard any news. I'll post when I reach him. Rob will know the answer, but I can offer speculation.

No. Not the same. The CS6 woofer is a reflex design which has different T/S parameters than the sealed woofers in the SmartSub. 

I've never seen a warped basket in a woofer. First time for everything.

Another number/way of Contact: corrected.

tomthiel

Is Rob in the process of changing or updating the CSS website?

Can you provide and number/way of Contact?

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dave43

Thank You for the update. i have this information on Rob;

rob@coherentsourceservice.com   (PH) 859.554.9790

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Rob.  Autocorrect!

I tried to contact Ron but apparently his site is no longer active?

Thanks Jafant.  I figured it was a long shot.  The CS6 are single owner speakers and I've never seen Thiel woofers that warped.  Not sure what happened.

dave43

Welcome! Good to see you here today. Stay tuned until one of our SS2 experts chimes in to address your query.  Otherwise, feel free to consult Mr. Rob Gillum at CSS for replacement/service needs.  I look forward in reading more about your Musical tastes and system.

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I’m gonna say the likelihood is probably not so Dave 

I have a pair of Thiel CS6 that have warped woofers and most likely need replacement.  Are the 10" woofers used in the Thiel  SS2 the same ones used in the CS6?

I mean it didn’t improve. I can’t use the lux as a pre amp because the classe doesn’t like it. I’m getting far more dynamics using my arcam irdac 2

thoft - please explain what you mean by 'I reversed polarity and got nothing'.

I'm addressing learning whether all 6 drivers are going positive (pushing air) when they are fed a positive DC pulse from the battery.

Isolating the issues increases understanding. Success sometimes follows.

Update it’s the luxman being passive making this an issue.

Or just in general the power to dish it out I guess? All I know is my pcs have no where near the bass they had after I connected them to the classe.

It’s the classe. It doesn’t have the bass slam.

I reversed polarity and got nothing

No. These 3.6’s have been sealed since their conception in shipping out from the thiel shop according to the owner. I have no reason to not believe him because there is no marks.

thoft - a polarity test may be in order. Use a 6 volt ’lantern battery’ or a 9 volt with great care to only touch and release the terminal briefly. Put + to + (red) and each driver should move forward. You’ll have to feel the tweeter, but the mid and woofer motion will be visible.

Also, has anyone been inside the 3.6s?

tomthiel

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I will try the classe on my pcs tomorrow to see if I have the same wall pounding bass from those things. Any more bass and I’m bound to get complaints. There’s no way this doesn’t disturb the downstairs neighbor.

I have no other amp and all behavior looks normal. Condition of the drivers are magnificent with not even a slight scratch.

It is uncommon to hear that 3.6 is bass shy. At the same time, I do not doubt Classe, however, will not rule it out entirely.

This is what I would do if I encounter the same situation - first, check the physical conditions of every driver, woofers, and the surrounding rubber. Look out for some clues of deterioration or cracks. Next, monitor and observe the behaviour of the woofers, especially with a bassy music track. Look out for driver excursions. It should look tight and fast, with minimal or zero "lag". If all is looking just fine as "how it should be", next pair the 3.6 with another power amplifier, and again continue to monitor and observe the behaviour of the woofers.

Maybe you should get updated crossovers and upgraded drivers over here 😉

I’ve double checked everything and I see nothing in reversed polarity.

I mean they’ should be getting plenty of power with my classe. I have read the reviews and I’m getting opposite results from the pcs and 3.6

trevor - something is wrong. Please read the Stereophile reviews of the 3.6 and PCS to get a feel for the particulars of the bass. Then let's wade into why yours aren't performing properly. My limited experience with the 3.6 does not include bass shyness.

What are the best thiels for a 20’ long and 15 ‘ wide room

I dunno I’m off loading the classe and 3.6 till I find a cs5 or 7 that can be shipped

I’m definitely hearing a deeper response acoustic sound. The thiel 3.6 just sound like midbass at its best. The guy I got them off of said they were 3k a pair. Which is still substantial for a bookshelf. Definitely has a wider soundstage and more detail. 

thoft - Jim's MO was to design each model to its full potential. In the case of small speakers, the trade-off was how deep the bass goes. Yours are about 50Hz anechoic, possibly deeper in your room. The PCS gets a big boost by having the 4" midrange to fill the mid frequencies both on and off axis, while not adding the expense of another crossover circuit - that’s significant.

The PCS debuted in 2000 using the first generation coax developed for 1998’s CS2.3. The PCS sold about 2000 pair, at the low end for a Thiel model.

I heard that Jim was working on a CS7.3 in which he hoped to develop a next-generation coax using the RadialWave or StarPlane diaphragm with a next-gen mechanical coupling and rare earth motor like the CS2.3 and 2.4. That driver could have a smaller, lower mass midrange diaphragm than the 3.7 which has to interface with a 10" woofer. That new coax would have been used in his 2.7 and PCS2. After Jim's death Thiel Audio had developed a StarPlane CS1.7 woofer, which would have been upsized from 6.5" to 8" for the CS2 series.

In New Thiel’s (2013) first year with Steve DeFuria and Bob Brown onboard, they started working on these drivers, but found it beyond their depth to bring the designs to light.

These are insane. How do bookshelf speakers sound like floor standing speakers.

Jim thiel pcs is the best bookshelf I’ve heard I think.

Well guys I am selling my 3.6 and classe. I found I was getting the same bass at a better listening level on the pcs vs the louder level needed to achieve this with my 3.6. Along with a soundstage and clarity that’s just as good. Midrange is slightly lacking but I think the trade off is worth it. Until a 3.7 or 7.2 pops up or thiel makes loudspeakers again; I’ll be sticking with my pcs.

tomthiel

I understand. Back in those days many Modders had their own upgrades for Sony ES spinners.  Only a few would place a Seal of Certification on the rear panel. Still, you will want to hold on to this critical piece of Thiel Audio history.  Continue to enjoy CD playback while looking forward on a modern player or transport with SACD capabilities.

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