The bass pedal on "Firth of fifth" very few speakers can express the feeling.
The Palladian-A step beyond
The new cartridge from Acoustical Systems may finally be the LOMC to fully realise the theoretical advantages of the genus.
And convince those long-suffering audiophiles to whom the 'modern' MC presentation has been anathema to 'live sound'....that the realism of vintage LOMCs like the SPUs and FR-7 series has finally been recaptured 👀
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And convince those long-suffering audiophiles to whom the 'modern' MC presentation has been anathema to 'live sound'....that the realism of vintage LOMCs like the SPUs and FR-7 series has finally been recaptured 👀
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@halcro "how is the bass". I've not found it to change much over time but it has consistently been very well integrated and as deep as the content on the recording. The PC1 has a lower mid bass bump that gives the impression of more bass but in reality imposes a tone that blurs the differences between instruments. Case in point on early Genesis the PC1 blurs the sound of the bass guitar and the bass pedal. With the Palladian when a bass pedal enters it is completely distinct, not only in frequency but also the tone and shape. So in summary many will think the Palladian is a tad bass shy but the reality is it gives you what is one the recording. With very loud forward bass such as a Holly Cole "Jersey Girl" it is well defined and detailed while not impinging on the rest of the mix. This track can sound overloaded if you have bass resonances somewhere in your system one other observation is that the Palladian doesn't sugar coat anything. If the instrument sounds rough or edgy (like much of the Tarantelle record I referenced earlier) then that is what you'll get. Finally the ability to swing sudden dynamics is top rate, take the sudden "cuckooo" in the first Tarantelle band, it'll have you jumping out of your seat |
I’ll confess to playing Cohen’s You Want It Darker LP during the Xmas afternoon celebration. It suited my holiday mood and, reflecting upon the profundity of his poetry, may not have been as incongruous to the occasion as one might think. Unfortunately my family strongly disagreed with his sepulchral baritone and the LP was summarily dismounted at risk of indigestion. I’ll try again this New Year’s Eve. I know how you feel my friend..... My wife calls it "music to slit your wrists to...." 😱 |
So from audiophile classics to heavily produced digital early 80s country the Palladian pulls out the best in every recording. It also makes each recording sound completely different, seems very honest to the records and imposes none of its own character. With the PC1 instruments such as Loussier’s piano were often blown out of scale, which sounds pleasant, but is actually an artifact and masks other things going on Well observed folkfreak..... How has the bass settled in? I find that some cartridges over-emphasise the bass response....which can sound impressive initially but becomes tiresome eventually.....whereas the Palladian has a totally 'even' frequency response with no undue emphasis across the audio band. |
I’ll confess to playing Cohen’s You Want It Darker LP during the Xmas afternoon celebration. It suited my holiday mood and, reflecting upon the profundity of his poetry, may not have been as incongruous to the occasion as one might think. Unfortunately my family strongly disagreed with his sepulchral baritone and the LP was summarily dismounted at risk of indigestion. I’ll try again this New Year’s Eve. |
If you want to really get into dark music then you need to listen to nothing but traditional folk songs from the British isles -- it’s not a real song unless you have at least one murder, a suicide and a haunting! Anyway back to the topic of this thread -- with 15 hours on the Palladian know I continue to be having loads of fun. One of the really great things is how well it separates out multiple lines of instruments from one another -- A1 Track 1 from "La Tarentule" Atrium Musicae de Madrid (Speakers Corner HM 379) is a torture track of wheezing and squeaking wooden flutes, vihuelas etc -- actually 32 different instruments on one cut (not all at the same time luckily) -- with the Palladian you can tell them all apart which is quite astonishing Dynamics are also astounding -- the Maskaela "Coal Train cut was a great example this morning, now matter how it drives the Palladian keeps pace Anyway really encourages a great variety -- my listening this morning included
Anyway great fun, and isn’t that one of the reasons we like to change things now and again, to rediscover our collections? |
Lewm - sorry for your loss. I know he has a big following, but I cannot make myself love Leonard Cohen. Lewm/Thuchan/Henry he is an institution in Canada. if I say anything else, I probably risk Canada Grade A eggs being launched at my house, and the irony being, I am not even supposed to be eating them. @Thuchan I do not own this album and I have only a couple of his cd’s somewhere in the house. If the music (and more so the music message with Cohen) doesn’t capture me simply through internet means (like youtube); I won’t pursue buying the lp. Besides I have too many existing lp’s to get through right now. Geoch (Giorgos)/Thuchan Regarding Dark Music in general. If I was still wearing my Monkey Suit every day, travelling, and working for others; by 6 pm, I always needed something to take the edge off - to bring me down a bit. Maybe a little dark music would be just the ticket if I was in that frame of mind. But I am in the light right now, and have been for quite some time. Right now, any stresses are brought on mostly as a result of my own decisions, and not those of others. (ones family excluded) |
So sorry for your loss my friend. From the time (I was 13 years old) that I’ve found Van Der Graaf, I’ve left behind my careless youth with Bowie, Uriah Heep, J. Airplane, Joni Mitchell, CSN&Y and start digging into progressive. There is no turning back once you’ve taste the bitterness of being. BTW I rate my avatar moniker as one of my most cheerful records. |
As for me, as much as I love both of my audio systems, nothing does it quite like live music. So last night I went down to Blues Alley in Georgetown (DC) to catch the late show of the Cyrus Chestnut Trio. For those who don't know, Cyrus is a jazz pianist of note. I like that he still plays standards, and his improvisations are very imaginative. As a surprise, he brought up onto the stage a young female singer imported from NYC. Her name is Brianna Thomas. I had never heard of her, let alone heard her. She was utterly brilliant, a new major talent, in my opinion. Sarah Vaughn and others, re-visited. (Almost no one ever in history had the chops of Sarah, including opera singers. Well, maybe Aretha. Maybe Tebaldi.) Her work with Cyrus made my day and my night. I had a conversation with her after the show, and I intend to hear more of her during future visits to New York. She's on CD only, sadly. I know he has a big following, but I cannot make myself love Leonard Cohen. However, any man's death diminishes me, as John Donne said. More than Leonard Cohen, I will miss my best friend, who was killed in a freak accident last April, 2016. |
ct0517, If the first song "You want it darker" of the LP doesn't thrill you something must be wrong with your playback system, maybe the tonearm? 😇 It is a good example showing the system is able to bring you into ecstasy! No? 😱 Play it loud if it is possible... Halcro, I got only the Live recordings "Songs from the road" and "Live at the Isle of Wright 1970". Thanks for the hint. I am just listening to the early MFSL LPs like Bob Seeger - Night Moves. These early productions were really good, absolutely stunning in sound and quality (1-034). |
First Geoch and now Thuchan. The Europeans are starting to worry me with the music they are listening to. Leonard Cohen - You Want it Darker https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0nmHymgM7Y Sorry Thuchan. No endorphins flowing here for me. I am getting images with this music, of a dark place as the year draws to a close. Not where I want to be. I am afraid to ask what the theme of the parade would have been if it had happened. I thrive on energy, and life, and am drawn to the music of the younger generation, for its energy. Now the beauty of classical music......... is it never gets old. I have been recently feeding more classical music to my son as he is home for the holidays. I sat him down in my chair and I asked him to listen to a piece for a few minutes. I then muted the system and I asked. "What is your opinion son, of this music." "Dad" he said. "This music brings back nice memories of when I was small" "Can you be more specific" I asked. He said "It reminds me of when I used to watch Bugs Bunny on TV" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYM84n-2Sas to the OP - Henry et al - I hope you are listening to music (whatever it is - including LC -RIP) if that is what gets your endorphins flowing. Happy New Year |
Last night I had reason to unbox my UNItractor (or whatever Dietrich calls his first and most elaborate protractor) in order to align a new cartridge, and I once again was able to appreciate its elegance. It is not a simple device, but I like what Einstein is said to have said about solutions to problems (like aligning a tonearm). Something to the effect that the solution should be as simple as possible, but not simpler. DB thought of everything that could go wrong or be a source of error in alignment and provided mechanisms to eliminate them as much as the skill and patience of the user will permit. Well done and worth the relatively high cost. |
Regards. Thuchan With titanium, when considering midrange enhancement the eigen value of resonance on a molecular level is not apparent (IIRC) until the 135th harmonic. Other elements discussed in this thread resonate at a much baser level, a common factor to be mindful of when discussing who got the (titanium) screws. Peace, |
Dear Geoch, I assume that teasing is also custom in Greece among friends. It is not done to hug or, godforseken, kiss each other in the macho countries so we invented this strange custom to please each other. Sometimes this resulted in fights and broken frienships but in the most cases there were no tragic consequences. I thought that you were growing some kind of vegetables in order to cope with your disatisfaction with even the ''most expensive gear''. I compared you with Onasis but forget why (grin). Anyway I hope that despite the fact of being Greek you are not in the Greek situation? |
WTF indeed! You should go back in time when we've had illusions of free filings. When the threads closed leaving the bitter shade of the welded enclosure. It was clear then what we should expect. Is this a fresh air that we breathing here? This time I'm censored even for my acoustical beliefs. I can't even naming anything if using strong characters. Depressive stage and so limited field for us to exchange some deepened thoughts if friendship is growing between the lines. Forgive my prose is not intended to a call. Typical silent to sowing seeds? Perhaps, if we've had the time to think how restricted is this platform, maybe is a wise counteraction for us. |
Nikola You told me we should never speak the "C" word anymore, but you did just this, in your last post to me? In audiophile terms, you share the likes of the same tonearm and cartridge with this person you call "some Aussie", yet you cannot find common ground ? How is this possible ? I thought "some Aussie" was used in an affectionate way. my bad. nandric From the business world, I have these three letters next to my name "PmP" (google it) When people (learn this), especially now as I am not actively practicing my work, the guys (with drink in them), all want to insert an " i " in there and start making assumptions of my capabilities, and ask for favors. You should hear some of the stories I have heard. Hi Geoch - very interesting Moniker you have, ......... considering recent discussions here. 8^0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eg75nFifO90 I didn't think I was aiming high with my parade idea. Not like I was trying to obtain peace in the World. Was just looking to see if some friendship could be obtained, with good dialogue amongst some audiophiles here, if the context could be taken out of the typical audio-phile box. |
I know you’ll never stop to teasing me Niko, I’m Giorgos Charopoulos an orthodox Greek living in Greece as you remember well. Persistance? In this platform? So flat-boring & filthily-rigged game, to always apply the clean-cut, the insipid politically correct diplomacy. Do you really feel this type of approved pathetic chat, can engage any elementary emotions? We deserve this Nikola... "whisky-foxtrot-tango" Remember those days 4 years ago? There is no turning back my friend. We have lost big time then, and this is what we cash today. Consultants of zombies, Brokers of the failures, dear Christo, are these cartooned puppets your brave souls, your inspired spirituals in this world? Take care |
Dear geoch, I missed your company in our forum. I think that you are more sensitive for censorship issue than I. But you are from UK and I from a communist country. So I keep posting in our forum despite the censorship. I write for my comrades and not for the moderator. I think you should do the same. What happened with your British persistance? |
Dear Chris, Four of my contributions to this thread are already removed. This is more than my total during my membership from 2007 and on. However it is my ''holy plight'' to answer your post which is addressed to me. Alas I need to disappoint you. I am not the broker for this ''some Aussie''. We are on non speaking terms so I never mention his name but refer to him as ''some Aussie''. You will also see no reference to my name in his post. So you are on your one with your barter proposals. If I am well informed 146 Arabs got their virgins for exactly 6 camels for each . So while reduced to the Arab world it may be considered as a kind of standard. Considering the fact that ''reduction of complexity'' is a whorty effort how about offering some virgine direct? BTW the postage cost to and from Australia are shameless expensive. |
Nandric Henry I did not know that you had hired Nikola as your Broker. (I assume because of all his cart transactions experience) No problem. So, do I send my mailing address to him, or to you direct ? I was so looking forward to the parade. Consultants rarely land on work they actually enjoy, and with clients they like. This is the reason consultants go to lunch with their fellow consultants, most of the time; but on the lunch expense report of who gets billed; they write in the customer name. :^) Well, I think my job is done here; so don’t let me keep you guys from discussing your favorite screws. |
Dear Chris, I first thought that ''Any'' is the name of your wife (''Any and I'') but you actually try to explain what the quantor ''any'' or ''all'' means (aka ''generality''). However I don't believe that '' all Aussies'' are farmers who may be interested in your ''animal proposals''. The person in question is a kind of ''exclusive architect'' willing only to mess with orders above 100 (Australian) millions. So my guess is that you can get his Decca for free if you promise never to mention any camel again. |
Good deductive analogy Nikola. IMO - Any and I mean "Any" consultant in this world, worth his/her salt, does not allow the client/customer to fully understand the path to the solution they are implementing. For the simple reason that once this is understood, the consultant role (their job) becomes obsolete. I say this to you as a Consultant of 30 years who is .......looking for work. :( Chris made clear despite his obsession with camels Actually my real "obsession", was made clear in my previous post. You know, when you have run through the woods alone, encountered Black Bears, and they let you through without harm, you tend to become a little obsessed, I would think, about what just happened. Especially when you forget to wear the Bear Bell to protect you in your run. What is this bear bell you may ask ? https://thumbs.dreamstime.com/z/bear-bell-20452474.jpg There is some Canadian Folklore that goes like this. Johnny went for a hike in the woods. he loved nature and animals. Always wore his Bear Bell - to keep the bears at bay. Told his wife he would be back for dinner. When he did not return, his wife got worried, gathered a couple of friends and went looking for him. They looked and they looked. Just before dark, one of the friends said. "Hey you guys come over here and look at this." They all looked down at what was a very large pile of bear shit on the ground. And there sticking out the side of some of the poop, could be seen..... Johnny's Bear Bell. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWjzV5fCh4Y Some call them dinner bells ********* Now apparently, the OP (Halcro) Henry, has a pet Camel so I was using that symbolism, what with the time of year. But probably should have somehow included a goat and donkey to to make it complete. So instead of 6 camels, we now have 4 camels, 1 goat and 1 donkey. This makes the trip project more complicated now Henry. I mean, really, which of the wise guys will be willing to be moved to a goat and donkey from a camel? Oh, I think my trip service consulting fees may need to be adjusted. :) . . . IMO, once the actual Palladian owners and other stakeholders of this audio thread subject, started opening discussions to other topics; this audio thread became fair game. Hope that Henry and the moderators do not mind. ' ' ' ' One of the five wise guys, has been very very quiet during this stretch....... hmmm... |
Dear Thuchan, It is impossible to grasp everything our (only) homo universalis writes . As we can see even religions belong to his eloquence. My own education was, uh, Marxian so I am totally innocent of any religious knowledge or insight. But there are many musical works with religious ''thematics'' so I thought that Bach mentioned somewhere those 5 wise persons. The problem however are those 3 persons as Chris made clear despite his obsession with camels . So I askeed myself in the old fashioned way: "what have those removed contributions as well the invoved person in common?'' To my surprise 3 persons are involved while their common ''subject matter'' or ''teasing object or subject'' was the Mexican. This may also answer the quasi question posted by ''some Aussie'' regarding ''flagging'' his thread . So while he thinks that the whole issue is about him the real issue are the persons and their post who were teasing each other with the Mexican. Thuchan started or ''screwed'' the whole situation with his expensive titanium screws while the ''verbal jokes'' invoving ''torqued'' persons and screws are made by Lew. Ergo Lew's 3 persons are: Lew himself, one member of the Bavarian maffia and the Serbian scum (without any honor). |
Does this situation mean you want one of the "original", five wise guys mentioned earlier, replaced, with someone else for the downtown Sydney Camel parade I am planning ? well ......ok..... I can make this one change, this one time just for you Henry ...... :^) so........ who’s out and who’s in ? , , , , thinking of spiking Santa’s milk with some Slivovitz tonight ? what does one get a camel for Christmas anyway ? Merry Christmas |
I have asked the Moderators for an explanation as to why some Posts are being deleted. It seems that someone (I wonder who) has 'flagged' this Thread so it is being monitored. It appears that 'terrorist' tactics by certain individuals, can be successfully supported by the Moderators....and that is a shame 😪 |
Dear Nandric, You were talking about the Pope which I never do, so no wonder you are "under observation". In this context I do believe there was only one camel allowed at the Xmas crib. Already over 2000 years ago two camels were too much...not talking about the humps which seems to be one of ct1507's competency fields... Btw I never complained about your posts (especially not yours) and not of anyone else. These strategies behind the scene I do believe is more found in latin-influenced countries, is this right? So looking for other authorities on ground one feels not safe enough to discuss. Nandric, you need to change the focus of territorial struggle. Forget your own history and imagine you are living in warmer areas. You then understand why the heat is on more often. |
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Thuchan thx for the comments. there is only one ET2 Godfather - Bruce himself. This dream of mine you describe...I just hope it doesn't turn into a massacre after some of the comments on this thread. That would be..... bad. I get the sense that the Serbian King is struggling with my last post suggesting he ride side by side on a camel with the Mexican Emperor Raul? Maybe I should make sure Nikola's camel has two humps too ? Well, when Henry wakes up he can decide if he wants me to project manage this trip for him. I am available for some work Henry, you know. Maybe I can negotiate a Decca for my trip manager services; especially since I am learning from Thuchan that you already have a Camel and keep it in your backyard.... As a pet or for transportation I am not clear on that.... |
ct0517 and Nandric, It is not a big deal for Halcro as his country is used to camels. I don't mean the foolish ones but the real. Halcro's forefathers already imported huge numbers of camels to cross the more than 1000 miles of the dry and red areas. I am not sure if he keeps one at home anymore to have a ride at Bondi Beach? So your dream Ct0517 may come true. I for myself don't need one. I prefer fast cars...Btw Nandric the London Reference is a wonderful MM design you should try. ct0517, thanks for all the good descriptions and explanations regarding the ET arms. Very helpful. I know you are the godfather of ET and some time ago I followed your fabulous thread. So it is still alive. Great! |
Emperor Nikola I was wondering why you took so long to ask this question Dear Emperor Nikola. It’s called having virtual connections around the world. In this same exact manner I was able to source that very special and rare, Gooseneck from New Zealand. The one I discussed in my earlier post to Henry. If you thought titanium screws were valuable, well.... And the 6 camels....... I do not see this in a monetary value perspective, but as a friendship one. I just figured that Henry would want one for Thuchan, yourself, Fleib, Lewm, and Raul. So you can all travel together through Sydney. What a sight that would be don’t you think ? I will ensure that Raul’s camel has two humps; or maybe Henry would prefer this one? 8^0 |
Dear Chris, The more interesting question is how you got all those camels in Canada? Some Zoo in your neighbourhood was probably bankrupt so you got a huge discounts on all 6 of them and now have difficulty to get rid of them? Your idea to exchange them with this Aussie for his Decca is as strange as your idea to buy them. But your own question about those 1000 kms in Australia may suggest to you to try an heli or plane instead. |
@ King Nikola An Arab on a camel, in a city in Arabia ..... is no big deal. Now an Aussie on a camel in lets say .....downtown Sydney .....will I believe garner more attention than if he sat in a nice old Porsche.... Now the problem the way I see it....how long is it going to take that Aussie to travel by Camel 1000 kms, to get to the nearest Decca dealer. |