Try plugging the Puron into the wall outlet directly in the same outlet your system is plugged into. Not into any type of conditioner and if you can, not into an outlet strip.
@ozzyThanks for the suggestion. I just ordered an outlet strip from Audience to replace my Z Stabilizer. I have been thinking about replacing the Z anyway. Once I have it in my system and get familiar with its sound I will try the Puron again.
I presently have the Puron plugged into my HT/2 channel system. I listened to this system yesterday. I didn’t notice a degradation of the sound with this setup. I don’t use my HT/2 channel system for critical listening nor do I watch much TV.
It’s a simple system consisting of a Denon 5.1 receiver and Denon DVD/CD player. My main front speakers are my older B&W 801 D series.
Well, I did place a 1 1/2" copper coupling over the Puron and it may have made a difference, especially in image detail. But like anything in this hobby, it may take a while to decide.
I am surprised. May I make one suggestion? Try it without your MIT Z bar. I had a MIT Z super duplex outlet and found it to compress the dynamics too much. The Puron may have pushed it too far in that direction.
I’m sorry to say that my experience with the Puron filters is opposite of everyone else. I had them plugged into my system for 10 days. My system became harsh and brittle. My sound stage went from a wonderful 3D image to a 2D image.
The other day I spent 8 hours listening to my TT’s and CD’s. It was no longer fun to listen to music. I removed the Puron filters from my audio system. I’m happy my system returned back to normal.
I have plugged the Puron’s into my TV circuit. I don’t watch much TV so time will tell.
I’m disappointed that I didn’t have positive results. If they work for you go for it.
With copper sleeves over a Puron, I am hearing a slight increase in volume and a more forward presentation. Instruments and voices sound closer to me, and bigger in every sense: height, width, and depth. And yes, more information seems to translate into more detail. This might not be everyone's cup of tea!
It took about 20 seconds of listening before removing a copper sleeve off a High Fidelity MC-0.5 Basic. It was as if the sleeve was a large thick blanket over the speakers. Exactly the opposite of what I am hearing with Puron.
I have the sleeves on two Purons, plugged into a Synergistic Powercell 12. And HFTs on the ends...
What improvements do you find with the copper sleeve over the Puron?
BTW, way back when, I started the thread on Audiogon about placing a copper sleeve over the power cord IEC. At that time, it seemed to increase detail. I have since gone to using much better power cords.
DHL and Vera-Fi agreed to re-classify Puron as an Audio Accessory so we pay more Duty - but no more delays which means we are in stock on all models once again
Thanks DHL and those of you that showed great patience while this was solved.
When Roy asked me originally for Puron I simply didn’t have one for him.
He did borrow one from a friend
He liked it (understatement)
With more inventory - I shipped his initial order.
After that - he bought one more. I was paid for each of them. :)
Roy is not your average cup of coffee - he’s a very good guy, and very well known in NY/NJ audiophile circles.
Best wishes
Mark
PS - just because I knew this could happen - I took a picture (front and back) of Roy's letter to me - if anyone is interested - feel free to e-mail me at verafiaudio@gmail.com - glad to send the copy -
You may want to re-read your post. You mentioned he asked to you to sell you one which you stated you did.
Then in the review he states he borrowed it from a friend. Not that it really matters where it came from , it just blows up the whole post. I know you are working hard to get your credibility back and this doesn't help.
Good morning and thanks for taking a moment to read this
one of the beauties of being in the audio business for 54 years is you get to meet a lot of people that become very precious. Many years ago I met Roy Harris who is a very unique individual and somebody who truly loves the audio industry
Roy has reviewed for several publications most recently audiophilia and he really works hard at his craft.
Roy had asked me to sell him a puron which I did and he told me that he would after listening to it write a review and I was really happy about this
subsequently Roy was unable to write the review on his Chromebook and instead decided to send his review in handwritten form to me
I've dictated the review here into my word processor and although some might think this is quite duplicitous on my part I did say I would post the review for him here on this thread. My apologies to anyone who finds this offensive but I rather honor my friendship then not
the following is his handwritten notes to me
hi mark I'm having a problem composing a review on my Chromebook then I decided to mail it to you I'm very sorry to give you more work having to enter the review on a computer but I felt getting this to you is better than not getting it at all here it is
I auditioned a puron for two weeks having borrowed it from a friend before he flew to Florida after some experimentation I placed the puron into an outlet in series with my transport
I experienced many positive benefits selecting complex material such as a Shostakovich Symphony #5 conducted by André Previn I noted a wider soundstage greater separation between instruments and a greater base presence
listening to voices I observed several positive changes vocal range increased a consequence of the presence of the soundfield against my chest often I've heard works sound like words were emanating from the head I also heard a greater clarity and a more natural presentation I know this greater microdynamics from Frank Sinatra found on the recording only the lonely the overall effect was more realistic Timbers greater transparent lower noise and an absence of digital artifacts no products are perfect I would characterize the puron as having a slight tubelight character exemplified by liquidity and bloom a bit more energy in the lower mid range and base and a slight reduction of treble energy with the puron in my system listening is more enjoyable and less unpleasant musical passengers are encountered
the two salient attributes of this product I perceived are a naturalness of timber and greater base presence
I intend to purchase another puron
Roy Harris
subsequently Roy did purchase a second puron and I'm very grateful for his mini review here
I've known Roy since 1990 when Peter madnick and I started audio alchemy. I've spoken to several audio societies in New York over the years and Roy always attended he's a good friend but he's also not afraid to tell me what he really thinks regardless of how I might feel
I received my Puron filters the other day. After plugging them in I waited 2 hours and listened to the system. I thought they added more bass and better presentation of the sound stage. After being plugged in for 24 hours my system sounded a bit bright. Today I will listen to my system, the filters will be plugged in for 48 hours. I’m hoping they will mellow out and not sound as bright. 48 hours seems to be the magic number for these filter to deliver that magical improvement?
Once they start sounding good I will remove them from the system to hopefully realize the benefits of having them in my system.
Mark now sells a 1 foot long high quality power cord for $100 to go from the receptacle to the fuse box. Mark sent me a picture and it does look like high quality construction.
Imagine the large gauge wire we run to our systems. Then we use large gauge power cords to connect the items to the power supply.
Then all of this goes through a tiny hairlike fuse wire. Bypassing this bottleneck has got to improve the signal/power transfer.
After a few more days I will post my results. I am expecting big things!
Interested to know your results. I have replaced, just for experiments though and I don't recommend anyone do it, a fuse in my music server and tube integrated amp with a solid thick copper wire and it definitely changed the sound. I still have to run A/B test to see if its for better or not. The only problem with fusebox is it needs two power cords and if you are using expensive ones, now you need two of them. I wish they had designed a short pigtail with 15A or 20A IEC connector directly into the fusebox so that it can work with a single power cord.
Many people would be happy with these in their system. I just received mine last night. Mark has been a customer service champ, explaining the whole DHL snafu.
I need to compare these two Purons with my QSA Silver plug-in, but it is definitely better than the Red.
I have been very grateful for the support for Puron and FUSE BOX – thank you
Purons are back in stock as of Monday and we finally agreed with DHL / Customs to an HTC (Harmonizing Code) for Entry. Apologies that this took more time than imagined
Best wishes
Mark
PS – many of you are asking about Multi-AC Plug Adaptors for Duplexes. We should have something soon to suggest.
@ozzy WOW…7 do I hear 8, 9, 10. 🤣. I’m debating if I should justify buying a second one. I do believe tweaks make significant SQ improvement and support a lot of tweaks with an open mind. But you guys are in whole different league 👍👍
I have 7 Purons. 2 are on each dedicated line and another where my modem/ether Regen plugs in. I have tried 3 on a dedicated line and I thought it bleached the music too much. But try it, you never know.
I used the QSA red/black plug at the wall outlet that Mike (Tweekgeek) let me try on my Dragon power cord that connects up to my Niagara 7000.
First off just looking at the cheapo QSA plug attached to my very expensive Dragon power cord was a little unsettling. But I would have kept it if it impressed me. But it didn’t. I couldn’t tell any improvement with it all. Now it could be because I was using it in front of my power conditioner.
It’s good that Mike will let you try it. Again, you just never know.
@ozzy glad you bought up the QSA jitter plug as I was planning to try the Red in my system. I wrote to tweekgeek yesterday and got a response back this morning and he can ship one in a couple of days. The praise on it has been uniform, so I am curious what are you thoughts - what did the QSA do well, what it did not ?
I have 2 Purons that I have been using for a while now - one plugged into the outlet where the InAkustik power conditioner is plugged into and another into another outlet where the integrated amp is plugged directly. They do wonders in both places - there is a certain sense of overall increase in musically - a bit more details and a better bass definition.
I am wondering if its worth to have any more in the system or just 2 is sufficient and hits the point of diminishing returns. I can plug them only into the power conditioner as I have no spare outlets left. How many are you guys using for the 2-channel ?
I shifted the Puron from being inserted in the power conditioner to the wall outlet that the power conditioner is plugged into, and placed the Venom Defender that was residing there into the power conditioner. I will agree with the assessment that this positioning of the Puron allows its SQ benefits to come across with more impact than what I experienced placing it in the power conditioner. I am going to listen this way for a few days and I may then try it without the Defender in the power conditioner to see what change there may be. I do find the Defender to be positive in the SQ department and it does help address my concern about surge protection as I noted in an earlier post in this thread, but I'll let things play out. Thanks ozzy and simguy for the prodding.
I’ll give it a try in the outlet that the conditioner is plugged into and move the Venom Defender into the conditioner and see if that positioning makes more of an impact.
@simguyIf you saw my now deleted post or not I apologize it was a bit snarky , have been having a bad day but no excuse .
After now having three of these devices: Clear Line, Nordost QK1, and today Puron(running all three together currently), I will say that they have varying degrees of impact, as well as impacting different areas of the frequency range. Puron, from the jump, is the most impressive and impacts the whole presentation more completely. Really adds nice a nice body to the tone, a more "there" presence. But not forward, attacks and decays seem more real, more organic. I don't see removing any of them.
Please try to plug the Puron directly into the wall outlet that your conditioner is plugged into, if only for a few days. And sorry, 2 Puron's is even better than 1!
I received one last Wednesday. I have all of my main system’s equipment hooked into a Blue Circle Audio BC6000 power conditioner. I have a Shunyata Venom Defender in the same outlet that the Blue Circle is plugged into, and found it effective in further lowering the noise floor. I also like having it there as it adds additional surge protection. I have whole home surge protection at the panel but we get a lot of lightning in the Memphis area and it has taken out the protection at the panel twice so I prefer to have back up protection. I placed the Puron in the 1st outlet of the Blue Circle, my initial sense after some listening sessions is that it adds a further measure of lowering the noise floor. Positive impact but not godsmacking. Worth the $250? Yes.
BTW I previously had a Furutech Clearline in the position I have the Puron and Inever really heard any appreciable improvement using it, but it also didn’t detract.
I’ve been following this thread for a few months and reached out to Mark little over a month ago. I have to say Mark has been great to work with and he never once pressured me to buy. He just reminded me I have 30 days to enjoy it and if I didn’t like it, I could send it back. Just so you know Mark, we miss you here in Colorado.
I received my Puron last Sunday and did not have time to listen to it until this weekend. I have to say, it did not disappoint and everything everyone else has stated, I’m also hearing in my system. I plugged mine into the same duplex that my Deep=Core is plugged into. My Equi=Core MK II is plugged into the Deep=Core where all my components are connected. The Puron has opened up my system and the detail has expanded exponentially. Female voices really sound amazing in such a way I can hear when they take a breathe. This thing is a hoot.
I have the two Purons I bought in the receptacle my Audience Adept Response r12 conditioner is plugged into and the other Puron in the receptacle my amp is plugged into.
As others have mentioned with the Purons you get more detail without any harshness. A better word would be more natural. The bass is definitely cleaner. What I thought was great before has been elevated with the addition of the Puron filters.
I don’t like using a common audio description however with the Purons the musical information is coming froma blacker background. I couldn't be more happier. With a money back guarantee you have nothing to loose , just a lot to gain sound wise. Thanks Mark.
I just ordered a Puron. Can't let all you have all the fun, or the mocking by pointy-headed objectivists. I have a LOT of power manipulations as well, and have tried many similar things. Will see how that return policy holds up ;)
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I plugged my 4th Puron filter in to the power conditioner. 2 Puron's at or near the wall that feeds the power conditioner and 1 at or near the wall that feeds my amp. Great sound and clarity from them the only down side after plugging the one into my power conditioner the soundstage is not as tall. Very happy with the sound just not as tall soundstage. May after a while try and moving it to the amp line, which will give me 2 on each power line near the wall.
I did try the High Fidelity Q 45t on 1 Puron filter. Right away it dulled the sound and took about 30 hours before the sound returned to the level it was before. It did not do any thing for the sound. In the long run it did not hurt the sound. In fact its still on the Puron filter.
I love Purons. What they do to my system is different with HFC magnets. For $250 each, Purons could be 1 of the best tweaks I have ever experienced.
I see that 68pete had moved both Purons in front of system with great success….I still have not done so…. still got stuck in my listening chair.
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