Hi sorry no comments yet just a quick question are any of you running the Tesla speaker cables between Krell FPBcx series and Wilson Sophias? I Am currantly using SR Designers Ref X and was thinking of upgrading to Acoustic Ref. or Presision Ref not sure if I could foot the bill for the Apex. PS just didn't want to start another thread on the Tesla cables. I also conntacted usedcable for upgrade costs thanks for any of your comments. |
Joeyboynj,
You are so very welcome...
Happy Holidays, |
Jmo, here is an update for you. I have a Synergistic T3 on my LCD TV for about 2 months now. The colors are so vivid and the saturation is perfect. Thanks for the suggestion. |
Tbg,
I went through several Tesla cables AFTER purchasing Accelerator IC's and SC's. My dealer gave me a 100% trade-in allowance toward Apex. I think SR also has a lifetime trade in program. |
Does Synergistic have an exchange policy?
I never really paid much attention to this company until I heard the ARTs demonstration at the RMAF. |
Hi Joey, When I posted my last message, the sound restitution of my cables were extremely warm.
They had approximately 200 hours, and then extreme warmth left and in this moment with approximately 260-280 hours they are rather neutral.
I will still await one can with the case or they would still evolve.
I think of buying Quattro soon if there is a new model evolved with a look like PowerCell.
Do you have information on the replacement of Quattro soon?
Thanks,
Jazz |
Hey Jazz, Let us know how you like the Apex when you get them. THANKS! |
Thank you Joey. I will order an Apex to replace my Acoustic.
Jazz |
The Apex is not analytical, its very organic and natural. It's very similar to the Acoustic Reference except retrieves more information so you can hear further into the recordings. If you have the extra cash... go for it. The Acoustic Reference is warmer and more tube like. |
Joeyboynj, thank you for your prompt answer. I am currently cabled with Precision Reference IC, SC, Precision AC, T2, T3 and Acoustic Ref IC, and missing me only information on the Apex vs Acoustic Ref IC for CDP to preamp. I hope that the Apex is not analytical, but sounds analogical.
You have to evolve with the JM Lab Electra 1027 BE, in gray they are superb, congratulations.
Jazz |
Yep, the Acoustic R's are warmer and very organic. The Apex is not as warm, but more neutral and transparent. They can retrieve details in the music like no other cable I have ever tried. The treble is very natural and extended and the soundstage is larger and more enveloping. |
Anybody here did compare Acoustic Reference IC with Apex IC ? Which are the audible differences between these 2 cables?
Thanks,
Jazz |
Joey,
The PowerCell is not a surge protector. Surge protectors all limit current on demand despite claims to the contrary. To my ears surge protection circuits degrade sound 100% of the time while offering no real advantage if you are struck by lightning. When I lived in a lightning belt I would unplug my system at the wall when ever lightning threatened or when I left on a trip as this was the only real protection option. In my opinion the audiophile community has been sold a monstrous bill of goods in the form scare tactics to push line conditioners that double as surge proctors with dubious protection from any real threat. I am not in the business of selling fear insurance.
The USA, most of the EU, and developed nations in Asia do not have power surges that will damage audio components- in the unlikely event a power surge occurs of sufficient amount to cause damage, the breaker at the wall should trip and protect your equipment assuming your home is wired to code and is properly grounded. You do not need to hinder (significantly) the performance of your system for such protection.
I developed the PowerCell with one goal in mind- to dramatically improve the sound and video of audio and home theater systems without limiting current and without the common drawbacks found in all other line conditioners. This is why the PowerCell does not have fuses or on-off switches as these degrade sound and video quality. If someone wants to protect a specific component they can plug a surge protector into the PowerCell and plug the component they wish to protect into the surge protector. While a universal option is to plug a PowerCell into a surge protector and plug the surge protector into the wall. I would opt for the first solution for specific components like video projectors while leaving the rest of the system to perform at is highest level. In my experience the main components that tend to to be sensitive to surge are video components.
As a side, to my knowledge the PowerCell is the only line conditioner on the market that filters both hot and cold AC along with Ground.
Yours in music,
Ted Denney Lead Designer Synergistic Research Inc. |
Does the Powercell offer any surge protection for your equipment? |
Autentic,
Thanks. Your broken English is 1000% better than my broken non-English. Your explanation is exactly like my findings as well. Although my AR12 is good, the Powercell is another league better.
The QLS's are quantum tunneled power strips. I was surprised to find power on/off switches on them, but Elliot says the switch is very clean. |
Tedmbrady,
sorry for my broken English. I could not use the hydra with my mono amp because they compressed the sound. When I got some more revealing amplifiers (Theta citadel 1.5), it became also obvious that the Hydra corrupted the highs. With the POwercell 10 SE, I am now able to plug everything on it, with good highs, no compression, and all benefits from a power conditioner at the same time. I use also Precision reference XLR and Apex speaker cables. |
There is new information on the Synergistic website about the Powercell.
Also, does anyone know if the QLS 6 or QLS 9 are mini power conditioners and also provide surge protection or are they just extra Teslaplex outlets that were Quantum Tunneled. Maybe Ted Denney can respond. THANKS! |
Autentic,
When you say "It has nothing to compare with an Hydra 8" it feels like you are saying the Hydra 8 is significantly better... in what ways? Or am I misreading this? Thx
Ted |
Ozzy,
I have a powercell SE in which I plug everything including 2 mono amplifier theta citadel . It has nothing to compare with an Hydra 8. No limit of current. I do not have a multiple dedicated circuits, so I cannot say if using it would improve your system. |
Ozzy,
I currently have a very nice Audience Adept Response AR12. I am very happy with it, but it is not nearly the conditioner that my demo Powercell was. The SR Powercell was much more organic yet dynamic at the same time. And plugging everything into it is absolutely no issue. To me, it's the goal...synergy within the system. I am not a fan of multiple dedicated circuits as i believe they risk ground loop issues (due to the ground differentials among the three circuits). As long as you're fine, though, and it sounds like you are a fan...so a single conditioner would not work in your world.
Ted
P.S. My AR12 is soon to be up for sale, and the Powercell SE is in my near future. |
I am really interested in a Powercell.
Can anyone share some opinions on this conditioner ?.
I have a Pass Labs X350.5 Amp, a Pass Labs XP-10 Preamp and a Cary 306 SACD player.
Presently, I have 3 dedicated circuits. One for my Video plugged into a Hydra 8. One circuit for my CD Player ,Preamp and one Circuit for my Amplifier.
So, using the Powercell with only one outlet plugged into it and then plugging my Preamp CD player and Amp into it can that be better than the dedicated circuits ?
My past experience with any conditioner says no.
There is nothing on the website. |
Some one know if there is new Quattro of planned for this year? This model is oldest of the range and does not have to be replaced.
Thanks,
Jazz |
Guidocorona:
I too thought the Luxman/Synergistic/Vivid room at RMAF was in the top 3 I heard -- and I myself kept returning. The room had tons of air, soundstage galore, and a very organic sound. I was surprised that the Vivid/Luxman combo filled the room so well. The real shocker for me was the ART Acoustic Resonator System demonstration from Ted Denney. I sat through the demo several times over two days and was very impressed with what these devices achieve. The bass was much firmer (less bloated), the acoustic images just floated in the room and were.....clearer. The system sounded more "Vivid" with the system employed... how appropriate.
I also liked the following suites: YG Acoustics, Kharma, Symposium Panaoramas, Scaenea(?), and the Genesis room. Ironically, most of the above mentioned suites' components costed 3-10 times what the Luxman/Synergistic/Vivid did. Anyways, great sound indeed. |
Has anyone tried the Tesla AU79 and Magnetic Tricon ICs together or an all Magnetic Tricon wired system? I would like to know your opinions.
Thanks,
Carter |
All, I visited the Synergistic Longs Peak suite about 5 times during the RMAF show. . . I staied there a minimum of 20 mins to a max of 45 mins each time, slouching as deeply as I could into the chair. . . typically until I suspected I had staid my welcome with Elliott and Ted. I listened to Dvorak's Ruins Of The Old Castle and a few other tracks on my test CD under every possible configuration of shielding/conditioning of the Apexes available in the room.
Please note that my appreciation of any particular system is directly proportional to the value obtained by multiplying:
a. Number of times I return to a room.
b. Time I spend in a room each time.
c. Deegree of bad posture/slouchiness.
e. Number of annoying requests of listening to the same darn track. . . just one more time.
f. Amount/degree of annoying questions to the poor vendor.
g. My own state of slackjawed relaxation.
The only other suites that I have enjoyed as much were the Soundings/JRDG/Vienna suite in Marriott 505, the TED/Bel Canto/HRS suite in 589, and the TEAC Esoteric suite in 445.
By contrast, in some forgettable suites I just manage to walk 5 feet beyond the door before experiencing a sudden anxiety/panic attack with actual heart-racing, which promptly drives me out in a real rush. . .
G. |
Hi Barcardi, take a look at my system link. I have upgraded all the way up the line to Precision Reference speaker cables, Apex interconnects and Hologram A, D and Precision A/C power cords. I also have the T3, T2 and Rel spec subwoofer cable. All hooked up to a Quattro. I tried most of their cables and settled on the best for my system. I'm thinking of getting the Powercell next. I'm looking at the QLS for my HT and computer systems.
Please send me that picture when you get it... I really appreciate it! Thanks! |
In response to Joeyboynj:
When I recieve my QLS 9 I will send pics to ya. I am eager to try it especially with my Tesla Precision AC power cord. How do you like your Tesla Vortex with your Accelerator speaker wire???? I have heard Tesla Accelerator sound good all-around...Let me know....
Regards BACARDI |
Does anyone have a picture of the QLS 6 and QLS 9 that they can send me? I need to see the plug orientation and size.
You are right Raydenfan and Solda!!! I mentioned this to Ted a year ago. Synergistic Research really needs to get more information up on their website about their new products. Sales would increase... Being too busy is not an excuse. |
Yes all the electrical stuff (QLS, Teslaplex) is quantum tunneled.
QLS 6 $299
QLS 9 $399
Teslaplex $75
ART is a room treatment that is (roughly and over simplified) based on resonant frequencies in the room, and using metals and woods to capture and dissipate them. The system consists of a Vibrapod (gold orb device that goes on the front wall between the speakers) a bass station that sits on the floor between the speakers and has a small metalic cup, and a set of side wall "sconces" and cups that go at the first reflection points. The final ART device goes on the back wall at the center point, above tweeter height. When Elliot demo'd it to us alst night in his larger-than-ours meeting room the effect was not subtle. The soundstage improved and bass tightened. |
In response to Joeyboynj: I just purchased a QLS 9 and the price was $399.00 and it comes with a detachable cord because Steve at cables suggested I put my new Precision AC on it. The QLS 6 is $299.00. Not sure about the outlet. Do you know if it has quantum tunneling??????
Regards BACARDI |
Joeyboynj ... I believe that the outlet is in the $75 region. |
Does anyone know the price points for the QLS6, QLS9 and Teslaplex outlet? Also, does the QLS power strips have attached power cords? Thanks. |
Tell us about the ART (nt) |
Just came back from our initial setup of the Spectrons/SR/Sp Tech in room 1004 at RMAF. Elliot gave us T3's for the Spectrons, but we'll try Precison Ref too. He says T3 more musical, Precision Ref more detailed and laser focused. He was a lot fo help, and is a great guy. The ART (analog room treatment) is wild!!!!! Makes no sense, but works. |
Totally agree. I run a small business so I can relate on how many things are on the "to do list" so I am sympathetic.
The problem is that I live in the middle of nowhere, with absolutely no high end dealers for many many hours, and the internet and audio publications are my only sense of information. I think, and I am not specifically directing this toward only SR, is that (this only my opinion) companies in cities (cities that have more people then my state) don't understand how isolated certain areas of the country can be when it comes to niche hobbies. How limited local dealers are. I love local audio stores with knowledgeable dealers, and local bike shops with great bike shops, and local nordic ski shops with various flexes of race ski to choose from but the closest ones are all seven hours away.
For me and many other web sites and mail/internet ordering are, unfortunately the only option. They have no local brick and mortar stores to compete against. I wish it wasn't the case but it is. For example, I am currently enjoying SR new outlet that I only knew about from reading this forum.
Like I said I understand how hard it is to juggle things but I agree about the website. Synergistic Research has always been great to talk to, always great about putting up with my questions (thanks Ted and Elliot) and always great about making wonderful products. Just some thoughts :)
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I use the Tesla T3 on my Spectron.
SR need to do a major update to their website!! They are the first manufacturer to build products for sale and not tell anyone about them. |
Guidocorona,
Not sure. Maybe we still have a choice, dunno. I would assume T3's on the Spectrons but i could be wrong. i'll ping Mike 9delaer) and Elliot (SR) tomorrow. |
I have wired my whole Paradigm Signature S1's,C1,ADP1's(all piano black) with Tesla Accelerator(bi-wire) and Accelerator RCA's linking Amp to PRE. I have a S.R X2 Quattro releasing 12 splits to the active shielding.
T2 - DVD Sony 777ES(later replace with Blue Ray player)
T2 - Quattro
T2 - Pre Processor(Onkyo Pro 885SC)
T3 - Parasound 2205A power amp(220 x 5)
Precision Reference AC - PS Audio Quintescence(soon to be replaced with a S.R QLS 9 Tesla Power Strip).
S.R Active Resolution Reference X2 Digital Coax(DVD)
AC Master Coupler Active to my SVS PB13 Ultra(piano black) linked with an Active Alpha Sterling Phase 2 RCA(both soon to be replaced with a Precision AC power cord and a Tesla Resolution Reference rca). I must comment on the Precision AC on my Quintescence for the reason of the dynamic imaging and resolution it brought out in my whole system. This cord is the real deal and has made the most impact to my listening experience. I am still playing music and especially for movies it can be really noticed. It isn't a minimal difference either. I can't wait to try it on my sub. It was suggested to me to try the Hologram D on my DVD, I might down the road. In conclusion I raise my thumbs to S.R for another great line of cords....AAA+++
Bacardi |
This thread is a veritable goldmine of SR info. . . Thank you guys! Tedmbrady, what ICs, speaker wires and PC combination will be used on the system? I am particularly intrigued about PCs for the class D Spectron amps. which being class D are capable of wild and very fast excursions in power demands. |
I will be assisting the dealer (TweekGeek) in that room. Mike heard the ART last week and was bowled over (and he's not one for hyperbole). I'll have plenty of feedback cuz I need to learn about it during setup on Thursday, then we'll demo it all weekend. Great room BTW: Tesla cables, Powercell, ART, Enigma, Spectron Musician III Mark 2 monoblocks, Modwright LS 36.5 pre and SP Tech Revelations and Minis (speakers). Basically, my exact setup at home....so I should be well-versed (except for the Minis and the ART). Room 1004 at the Marriott. C'mon up. |
Has anyone heard of the Acoustic ART room treatment system from Synergistic Research? I read some stuff about it on the Luxman website onahighernote.com
Apparently they will be demonstrating them at the Rocky Mountain show next week. I wont be there, but I'd really appreciate some feedback from those attending or from anyone whos heard these things. |
I just installed three of the brand new red SR TeslaPlex quantum-tunneled electrical outlets. I'll report back after they settle in. I have no doubt they'll continue the eye-opening quiet and resolution brought on by all the other new SR Tesla marvels (Accelerator sc's, Powercell, etc.). |
Yes, I purchased the T1 power cord for my Pioneer Elite Plasma. It's the bomb and totally awesome. The T1 was also fantastic on my IMAC. |
Has anyone tried a Synergistic Tesla T1 power cord on their LCD TV? I'm thinking of getting one in their slim line white color. Does anyone have one of these? Also, if you can send me a picture of what the slim line white looks like I would appreciate it. Thanks!
Synergistic needs to get more pictures and information on their website. ;-) |
I would like to see how the powercell compares to the all new clarity cable 3D Max power conditioner.....this thing is made out of granite ! |
WOW! Thanks Ted, exactly the information I was looking for.
Anyone that currenty have the Enigma and Powercell in their systems, please give us some more reviews...Thanks! |
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Thanks Ted for the update and the clarifications... both now and in the past...particularly on the power cords, the PowerCell, and the Enigma... and good to hear that you have found solution to the scarcity of particular tubes for another version of the Enigma!
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Answers and Updates:
The T3 is a very good power cord for power-line conditioners but, as you have discovered, it takes a loooooong time to break in and settle down in this application. An improvement over the standard T3 design is the T3 UHC which stands for "Ultra High Current" and though the T3 was engineered as a high current power cord (perfect for high current amplifiers), after the advent of the PowerCell, a line conditioner capable of handling an entire system's power needs- power amps, pre-amp, front ends and even mono blocks, I was looking for a way to take my basic T3 design to the next level given the unprecedented current demands the PowerCell places on any power cord; hence the T3 UHC was born. As such the T3 UHC is a heavier gauge version of the already high gauge T3 design. As a power cord for line conditioners it presents music with more weight and mid-range bloom when directly compared to the basic T3 especially when you have a full system connected to a line conditioner, and it does this at a reasonable price.
However by far our best sounding power cord from the Tesla series for the new PowerCell, is the Precision AC. This cord adds a level of refinement, air, and inner detail and nuance not found in the T3 or T3 UHC when used in conjunction with a power conditioner. In fact our top of the line PowerCell 10 SE comes standard with a Precision AC power cord along with a slightly higher performance internal electromagnetic cell. So for a little more then you would pay for a standard PowerCell 10 with a T3 UHC, you can get a PowerCell 10 SE with a Precision AC power cord and 32 AMP Powercon connection in place of the standard PowerCell's IEC connectors.
As to the Enigma, as sad as I am to tell everyone, we have sold through the entire run much sooner then expected- due to the impossible to get nature of it's rare new old stock tubes. Luckily I am working on a new valve based power supply based on a Mullard tube that should be ready some time next year. In the mean time I am perfecting a set of new analogue room correction devices that correct for room acoustics and this will debut at RMAF in Oct.
I hope this answers some of your questions- perhaps if I can stop developing new products long enough I can get more of my designs on our web site : )
Yours in music,
Ted Denney Lead Designer Synergistic Research inc. |
Ted_D, If you can answer my questions above from (07-30-08), that would be great!
Anyone else that has any experience comparing the T3 to Precision AC to T3 UHC, please let me know what you found. Much appreciated!!! |
Bxxxb... I have a pair of Accelerators speaker cables wich I was using three months before my recently upgrade to Precision Reference and I passed through the same experience during the cable burn in process, there were practicly few levels and you are in the middle of it, then this strident sound in the high levels will softly dissapear but it took me around 150-200 hours to finally obtein the best from this cable. |
