Hi Joyeboynj,
I started with the Precision speaker cable, and I thought I had a problem with the bass (my speakers go to 23 hz at - 3db).
I changed to the Apex. It's another league : it's like opening a curtain, and bass are deep and tight. |
Hi Tbg, I have a pair of Apex speaker cables on route to me today. I will make the comparison myself. I'm still interested if anyone else has as well. |
I love the Apex speaker cables but have not tried the Precision Reference. |
Hey guys and gals, has anyone compared the Apex Vs. Precision Reference speaker cables in their system? What were the differences you heard and which one did you prefer and why.
THANKS! Joe |
Bacardi, trust me you would regret not having 10 plug-ins. Buy the 10SE. |
THX Joeyboynj for your help. I will consider your suggestion...Would the Powercell 6 be enough or would the 10SE be better. Actually, what are the differences in the 6,10,10SE???
Regards BACARDI |
Bacardi, The Hologram D is the best power cord in the Synergistic lineup. Ted designed the whole series around this cable on the digital source. I strongly recommend you try one. BTW, your results sound typical to what I tried as well. Your second setup sounds like the best.
If you are looking to further upgrade, here is an option:
demo a Powercell 6 for your system. Also, try a T2 on your preamp and save the other Precision AC for the Powercell and have it re-terminated with a 20-amp connector. |
Here's the rundown, I had the following:
QLS- T3 to wall Teslaplex
Sub - Precision to wall Teslaplex
Amp- Hologram A to QLS
Pre - Precision Reference to QLS
Results were limitting of sound, warmer tone, good detail high & low. Changes made:
QLS- Precision to wall Teslaplex
Sub - T3 to Teslaplex
Amp- Hologram A to wall Teslaplex
Pre. - Precision to QLS
Results were greater detail, dynamics,frequency extension,bigger soundstage, smoother bass and overall warmer sound.
I find that the more Precision AC in my system the dynamics and resolution became immense. There was still something missing when I added the Hologram A to my system. Somehow a much much warmer and sound I am not used to hearing.. System dependant that's for sure. Maybe I will add a Hologram D to the DVD and hope for the best.
Regards BACARDI |
I don't care where Ted gets his ideas. What matters is that it works. |
Fplanner,
Transylvania, huh? Is that where Ted got his? (o:
Norm, I've seen the brief video footage. |
Sherod, go to SR page and look under Tesla and at bottom Tunneling footage. |
Thx all. Tbg. I don't have a powercell yet, but I will try the Hologram A plugged straight into a wall Teslaplex. If I get same results I will keep the Precision AC on the power amp and put the Hologram A on the pre amp.
Regards BACARDI |
I would check Transylvania...... |
Is this the same Van De Graaff you are referring to?
http://chem.ch.huji.ac.il/history/graaff.html
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For a reasonable fee, I might send him one of my extra Porter Ports to zap for me. It would be an interesting comparison. Any idea what he charges? This seems like it could be a great side business. Anyone know where I can buy or build one of these Vandergraff zappers? (o: |
They did treat some cheaters for me and apparently are considering having them available. But you know that I have the H-Cat P12R which almost necessitates having only the line stage grounded. I don't know, nor do they, how many need such outstanding cheaters. |
So does SR provide the Quantum Tunneling( Vandergraff) zapping to non-SR products? |
Sherod, you are not overlooking the Teslaplex; it is not on their site. It strikes me that it is a normal Leviton hospital grade outlet, but the zapping does wonders. I also have normal Home Depot cheaters that have been zapped. If you compare them with the unzapped version, you would not doubt the improvement you get with Quantum Tunneling. I have had many cryoed components. Using the Vandergraff has far greater benefit. |
I have looked on the SR web site and can't seem to find anything on the Teslaplex. Maybe I'm not looking in the right place. Anyway, I recall that this duplex was a custom-designed version of a Hubbell. Can someone give me some details of the design materials of this duplex? I currently have the Porter Ports( cryo'd version of a Hubbell 8300H) and with the exception of the Teslaplex being Tesla zapped, what would be the main construction differences? If there is any nickle in it, I don't think I would be interested, but then again... |
I have 2 VAC 300.1 tube amps plugged into a Powercell 10SE via Hologram A's with no problems whatsoever. |
Flashunlock, Read my review under Audio reviews. |
Bacardi, I assume you have no PowerCell. If so, plug directly into the wall. You will have fewer contacts.
Flashunlock, I used the Sanders Sound Magtech amp into the PowerCell. This amp has 500 watts per side and sounded excellent into the PowerCell, which is not current limiting. |
Anyone tried plugging huge power amps to the Powercell and what are your findings?. |
Tbg,
No, My amps are solid state.....Precision AC between Krell Evo-202 pre and power being Evo-1. I didn't have any other SR cables in the chain when I auditioned them but will have T3 UHC for the power amps soon. |
Actually, I addressed Eliott at S. R and he noted the problem to me. It might be just an incompatability issue with my components. Maybe I will let it settle in longer & hopefully notice a difference.....Should it be plugged directly into the wall Teslaplex instead of the QLS 9???? Anybody!!!
Regards BACARDI |
Bacardi, the Precision ic is recommended for between line stage and amp. It is very fast.
I compared the Tesla T2, Precision AC, and Hologram A on my H-Cat amp. The Precision was third, the T2 next, and the Hologram A clearly best. The Precision is mainly for tube amps, I am told.
Flashunlock, is your amp a tube amp?
On my H-Cat line stage, the T2 was best. All of these cables have certain characteristics which SR is pretty predictive of.
Guys, these power cords get better and better for months. |
Barcardi,
Maybe you can try the T3 UHC for the power amps. I will get mine next week and will feedback here. I tried the Hologram A on my pre and didn't like it at all which made it sounding a bit kind of like out of phase and too warm... I switched to the Precision AC and it is much better in my system with pinpoint image and great extensions high to low. |
You may have a bad cord or something wrong with the active conditioning. Absent that, I have a pretty tough time believing the cord is "limiting" - there's apparently something wrong somewhere. |
Anybody not able to use a Hologram A on there power amp? I was told that my Parasound HCA-2205A amp of 220x5 was too much power and the Hologram A was limitting(too much power). I was getting feedback from speakers and the sound seemed congested. I have moved it to my Pre amp. I am therefore using a Precision Reference on my Parasound now. Any Help!!!!
Regards BACARDI |
I have everything(accept my sub stuff) plugged into my QLS 9 and a Precision Reference power cord from it to a Teslaplex(wall) . One word "Amazing". Ya can't get better than that.......I believe Joeyboynj, that it doesn't do much more than you mentioned, but for what it does do with a good power cord link to wall, is something everybody should have.... |
Does anyone have any additional information about SynergisticÂ’s QLS-9 and QLS-6 power strips? I know that they do not have any power surge protection, they ARE quantum tunneled and use similar outlets as the Teslaplex. Do they offer more than just power distribution and have any power conditioning benefits??? Maybe Ted can jump in on this??? I want to use one in my HT set up in front of an Audience Adept Response aR1p and ditch the PS audio stuff. THANKS!!! |
I Just replaced my 1M Tesla Accelerator interconnects between my amp & pre and jumped to the Precision Reference. All I can say from a few hours is "WOW". I will listen more & conclude the rest of the story as time goes on......
REGARDS Bacardi |
Bacardi, I have learned that all Synergistic Research ics are the same except at the terminations. I doubt if there would be any difference between single ended and balanced. |
Bacardi- I don't know the answer to your question, since I have never used XLR connections with my sub/preamp. Single-ended for a 12' run has never been a problem for me. That might be a Synergistic question, since its their cables. |
Thx Fplanner2000. Do you get better quality through XLR for a subwoofer??
Regards BACARDI |
I am using Tesla Reference Active subwoofer ICs with a Tesla T-3 powercord in my system on my Velodyne sub. Big improvement over any other PC or ICs I've used previously. This would probably be a pretty big upgrade over what you are using now. Good luck. |
I have through trial and error and with Ted's advice found the right combination. The line and phono stages like the TESLA T2s, the amp the Hologram A, and the Precision AC struck out everywhere except driving the 10SE PowerCell. |
Thx Tbg. Any suggestion on S.R RCA & Power cord. I have a Phase II RCA active and a Subwoofer AC Master Coupler Active. I do want an upgrade. Thx.
Regards BACARDI |
If this is a question of me, the charging in is at the source. The arrow should go toward the subwoofer amp. |
Question on interconnect LED direction for subwoofer. Should it be on pre-amp end or sub end???? Also: Best Power cord/Interconnect combination for sub. Help & Thx
REGARDS Bacardi |
I considered what I might put under my SR PowerCell tonight. Because of the stiffness of the Hologram A and Ds as well as the Precision power cord to the wall, I ruled out any cones. It would just be too unstable. I do have an unused Acapella Silencio base which does provide excellent isolation. Frankly the task of unplugging everything, removing the PowerCell, placing the Acapella on the Mana stand, and reinstalling everything, is just too daunting for the little gain I think I would get. I do have some solid carbon feet that I could just pick up a corner and install all around. I might try that. I also have regular and pro Aerios, but the Mana top would have to be perfectly level. I also have one of Walker's platforms for the Walker Velocitor but it is small. It really works, however. |
Question for interconnect signal direction between power amp and pre amp. Tesla accelerator active mpc LED end plugs into amp or pre amp??? Help.....
REGARDS Bacardi |
Under my Powercell I am using some very sharp cones made out of some composite material that Stewart at SOS sold me a while back. They are not metal but a very hard material.
I used these cones with my Hydra 8 when I had it and now the Powercell. It was a real chore to put these under the Powercell with the points pointing down to the wooden shelve.
There is a tightness of the notes with the spikes, a good improvement.
Actually SR should provide replacement similiar cones for the feet.
This would not only provide a sound improvement but it raises the Powercell up so that the Mini coupler clears the bottom. |
I use a Sistrum Sp101 platform under my Optima Red Top battery that powers my Altmann/DD Dac combo. Using the platform made for an immediate improvement over just the Audiopoints on carpet over concrete floor. Battery on just the floor was the least satisfactory. Solar panel with no storage vessel would be less active than just a battery which is certainly less active than a conditioner, improvements should be perceived with the right choice of resonance control. Tom |
Joeyboynj, I initially put the PowerCell on a Mana Stand but have never tried it off the stand or on any other stand. Maybe I should try this. |
Has anyone tried any isolation from vibrations on their Powercell's with any improvements? For example, footers or platforms. Or does the unit not need any isolation because of its unique enclosure. THANKS! |
Ted just demonstrated the Synergistic stuff at a BAAS meeting at Jason Serinus' house. Everything he did was an improvement(He would take things out, and then put them back in.). Dynamics and separation were standouts. I believe he suggested starting where your dealer said to start(Gravitron and Bass Station), Shellie. That combination is just under a grand, I believe. Without the ART stuff, the music seemed to stay on one plane. |
Anyone hear anything on the new "Transporter" to replace the Quattro??????
Regards Bacardi |
Thanx Tbg and Tedmbrady.
Yes I am wondering if I can start "small" and go big later. In this economy I can't afford to do all the things I took for granted just a few short months ago. Ted would you start with the Bass Station and perhaps a Satellite in placde of the Vibratron? If so which Satellite- Magnatron or Gravitron? My dealer suggests I go with a Gravitron and a Bass Station to start. |
Bacardi,
Thanks for the update regarding Teleplex outlet for your sub. I was contemplating that myself and with your update, I should just do it.
Regards,
Kenobi |
