Solid State vs. Tubes - What if Transistors came first?


What do you guys think?

If transistors came first, and then decades later tubes were invented, would we have any tube amps we would call high end?

Wouldn’t they all fail to reach the height of performance and transparency set by transistor amps?

Best,

E

P.S. I love Conrad Johnson. I'm just wondering how  much of our arguments have to do with timing. 
erik_squires
inna skates by with a dick reference...I get shut down if I even infer something.
Why not, you do regularly as some weird form of pseudo sexual sadism. 🙀

The guy seems quite sanguine to your fixation with him. 
Ha, ha, it’s true, my hearing is shot, but at least I didn’t get my DNA strained through a sheet. And, I do love peaches and hamburgers. 👍
Two things that are suspected to be quite bad for an audiophile’s hearing. One is sitting in close proximity to aircraft engines all day for twenty years. The other is listening to solid state amplifiers and radios for twenty years. They’re also suspected of causing, you know.... 🍑 🍔 🍔
Yeah, brain implants with tubes, dick implants with transistors. Or would it be better the other way around? They'll figure it out, I don't even want to think about it.

Very tough topic! Its all about a matter of preference. I have several tube amps. All time preference / all season will be a KT-88 output tubes to have a thumping power of the solid state derived from the mosfet amps  70's with the Motorola J transistors that made the hi-fi solid states era incredible. The other side of the tubes is the warmth sound very hard to explain. But I will always have a backup tube amp just in case.

Then the thread will be "What if our brain implants were made with tubes"
Soon enough we all will have brain implants and there will be no need for either tubes or transistors. Well, not us, in couple of generations maybe.
And, the cars would be larger. 

What if Lee Harvey couldn’t hit a barn at 100 yards...what if Lee Deforest had gone straight to the transistor....😁
"What if Neanderthals won, and Homo sapiens lost?"
German car industry would be concentrated more towards the North.
How about it.

What if the best part of Geof hadn’t run down the sheet? 🙀. -Lee Deforest
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Oh, he wouldn’t know a differential diagnosis from a hole in the ground. Scroll in the ground?💩🐁
geoffkait,

Leave diagnosing to those with more logical and systematic approach. Your way would not get you through CS, much less through anything in real life.
That is something. How likely is it that patrons of some saloon in Tombstone were speaking Latin to each other? I have not been in Tombstone in years, but even then it did not seem likely.

soundsrealaudio,

Vinum bonum, pax in domum. In fact, we used to substitute "vinum" but I am afraid that "algorithm" would go nuts.
I am giving serious consideration of changing my diagnosis in the strange case of glubson to Tourette’s. I’m still trying to find the emoji for Tourette’s. Maritime still looks like a good solid 🍑 🍔 🍔
geoffkait,

Erdheim-Chester is the syndrome of the month. Raise awareness.
soundsrealaudio,

That "algorithm" needs revision. I am not sure about your X wife, but no bad algorithm is worth keeping anyway.
Deforest must have been a joy to live with...like you Maritime51:). If only his 4 wives were around today.
My father told me I had to learn Latin as it is not possible to be an intellectual without it. He never mentioned it would not be possible to participate in audio forums without it. Well, it was before the Internet so he is excused. School thought the same so I had Latin.
glupson

"i just had another post removed. It is not "go figure" anymore. I have been insulted enough on these forums, while attempting to stay polite that having posts removed that come nowhere close to what I have been subjected to is making me wonder what is the point of participating anymore."

You must have a bad "algorithm."  My X wife had the same problem..
dave_b,

Kippy? Now Google will start charging me for all these searches.
Ex turpi causa non oritur actio.  -Lee Deforest. (Tubes suck, a learned treatise)
The only thing to do with good advice is to pass it on. It is never of any use to oneself. Oscar Wilde


I actually went to the theatre to see Interstellar...what a freaking hot mess that was! Kippy was a consultant
In a hundred billion galaxies, you will not find another.
Is that a promise?
No soft-tissue organs, just bare bones. Nicely arranged. Highly recommended. I think that ticket is about 10-12 Euros.
Carl Sagan. Now there was a brain 🧠. He thought the way you could travel to a far away galaxy (as in his novel Contact) was via a black hole. Up until Kip Thorne convinced him to change it to worm hole. 
Every one of us is, in the cosmic perspective, precious. If a human disagrees with you, let him live. In a hundred billion galaxies, you will not find another.
- Carl Sagan
maritime51,

Stop confusing our humble scribe. Google will start charging him for all these searches.
maritime51,

Maybe you can make a Tubuary. Some art made of old tubes and then bring transistors to see it. The sign would say

"what you do now, we did when we were lit
just like we are now, you will be obsolete"
@Dave. I’m no misanthrope. I had a very complete secondary school education, followed by university, and professional school, then a higher degree. 
Correct me if I'm wrong, but it's a SIT just a big power JFET? And I may be wrong, but I think IXIS makes some. I heard somebody talking about how to make a MOSFET produce triode-like curves at BA, but I can't remember who or when.

I think it's safe to say, in any event, that if an amp sounds like this or that gain device, it's not a particularly exceptional amp.
SITs are something different. No-one makes them- it would otherwise be Big News.
I agree with your last comment; to me most transistor amps also sound like transistors. I've heard a few tube amps that sound like tubes- don't like that either. I like neutral.
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