Should Genesis V's be toed-in?


I have owned a pair of Genesis V's for a number of years, and have never been able to decide if they should be angeled-in. The owners manual says to keep them pointed straight out, and even advises to "use a tape measure to be sure". However, audio critic Karl Lozier toes his in somewhat. Does anyone who has Gen V's have any thoughts or advice on this? Thanks!
irishdog
Speaker position is critical. Your room has it's own signature. One advantage of toeing in is reducing first reflections off of nearby walls. I actually toe my VMPS speakers in so that they crossfire about two feet in front of me. Move them around and see. I can hardly believe Arnie Nudell would say the speakers can only be used one way. Cheers
I owned Genesis V for a couple years and liked them better straight ahead, provided you can sit far enough back for proper integration (~9'). Sidewall reflections are less of a concern with dipoles. YMMV.
Some manufacturers recommend pointing the speakers straight ahead due to the dispersion pattern of the drivers, that is they are actually smoother off axis. Warnerwh has hit on an excellent way of avoiding 1st reflections and still pointing the speaker the equivilent of "straight ahead". Provided you pay attention to flat bass, you can get the speakers very close to side walls this way. Can work great in small rooms. Warnerwh's method also has a side benefit - you can get usable stereo imaging while sitting in front of one of the speakers, i.e. like some one sitting on one end of the sofa or in a seperate chair next to the sweet spot.
I have Gen V's and they are (now) toed in -- about 55-60 degrees apart. I found that this position gave the best (i.e. most balanced / +-9db /) in room response at MY listening position.
Keeping them straight ahead achieves a laid-back presentation -- as newbee said, the manufacturer prefers you to listen off-axis. This probably gives a better unechoic response curve.

Ultimately, you'll have to experiment; put the controls on default position (I would switch off the servo amp) and try crossing the axis in front of the listening position keeping them equidistant from that position. Listen. Then, start toeing out, pivoting either the front right edge OR the back left of each speaker (as you see the speakers from lsitening position). In the one case, the speakers axis will be slightly lengthened, in the other case the listening axis will be shortened. Listen again and decide. Repeat if necessary.
You should be able to perceive microdetail effortlessly, while transient attack should be good.

Good luck!
Thanks gang! One more question. Where do most of you set the mid-range and treble controls on the back of the speakers?
I have the similar Genesis VI. My owner's manual recommends toeing-in and for me that's been good advice. Intriguing that the V's have contrary advice.

As for all the variables Genesis offers, I drive myself crazy fine-tuning
Controls: set the midrange at 2' (i.e. midway) and the front tweet at 12". The tweet setting is room dependent; so, choose a recording that is reputedly good and has natural sounds you recognise. Listen, then turn up the tweets on both speakers by 5". Listen again, etc. Choose the setting that's TONALLY the best (i.e. gives better balance with the rest of the spectrum.
I have owned Gen Vs for several years.
After "going by the book" for awhile, Scott Frankland moved them back towards the wall a bit and further apart. This created a huge soundstage but I lost a bit of depth. I found towing them in just slightly also helped, too.

Set-up properly, these speakers are some of the finest I've ever heard.
Good luck!
Jim
Does anyone have the owners manual for the Genesis V speakers? I bought a pair with the preamp some years ago and have never been able to get a copy of the owners manual. THxs.