Shielded Speaker Wire 12AWG


I have a new setup Marantz AV8805 paired with any Amp 10, Focal Aria k2 926 limited Edition towers and Focal Aria EVO X Center speaker. I’d like to connect the speakers with shielded 12awg wire, however I’m finding it difficult to find the wire. Had an order in with Madisound but they said it’s out of stock. I’m looking for 12awg OFC with a high strand count, any suggestions?

 

Thanks

cgbgreg

Have you researched using shielded speaker cables?

Here’s one guys opinion on shielded speaker cables.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=961LaW8xVd4   

 

That was informative, I didn't mention that I am running balanced XLR cables between the pre amp and amp. I'll need to research whether shielded speaker wires will improve my listening experience. Thanks for your input.

I’m a bit confused about your question. Generally, systems put together for high fidelity will be interconnected with speaker cables... built to sound good as opposed just some off the shelf wire with a material requirement. 

Since it sounds like you have a home theater... guessing now... from which you also listen to music. Then you should invest in speaker cables made for the purpose. I recommend looking into Cardas and DHLabs speaker cables. 

For me, I have pretty good quality speaker cables attached to the front three channels and then, the same brand, but lower quality bulk cable for the other channels. 

Given the sonic characteristics of the Marantz and Focal, I recommend looking at Cardas. But ether of these are likely to improve the sonic characteristics of your system for music. It may also be very obvious for HT. But HT is generally less important because one is distracted by the video. But if you are comparing to really cheap wire... then you will probably find it a noticeable improvement. 

From my limited listening experience, other than coax cables used from a TT to a phono preamp, shielded cables can suck the air, the life, out of the sound of the music. That’s even been my experience with shielded power cords.

There are other ways to control EMI other than using a shield. Twisting the wires together. Braiding the wires together. Just to name two methods.

It can be quite complex...

One example:

Iconoclast Cable. The "Wire we Here?"

Terrific information,  I did read about twisting or the wires together. I'll also see if pre-constructed wires fit my budget or if that's down the road. Thanks Jea48 and ghdprentice!

In my opinion and experience shielded speaker cables restrict dynamics! My speaker cables are DIY, the positive and negative are tightly twisted together, no shielding and very short @ 12'' long. Cable material consist of,12 AWG Orange and black Mil-Spec M22759/11 (PTFE) Stranded Silver Plated copper, they look similar to this when finished. Both amp and speaker ends are bare wire. For in the what it's worth category, short speaker cables helps to minimize EMI interference, also try to keep power cords away from speaker cables. 😎

Mike

@cgbgreg 

I agree with others - there is no need to use shielded speaker cables.

Firstly, they carry huge signals compared with interconnects of phono cables, so any RFI will be miniscule in effect.

Secondly, because a speaker cable is a pair of wire bundles, what  affects one bundle pretty much affects the other in the opposite way - this cancellation effect is crucial for very high speed cables like ethernet, which mainly uses unshielded twisted pairs these days.

Thirdly, adding a shield will increase the capacitance of the cable, almost always for the worst.

Speaker cables may benefit from being gently twisted but most often the two conductors will also be separated by about an inch.

Similar arguments apply to balanced interconnects.  Balance is good because it increases the signal to noise ratio.  Shielding is debatable.

If cables must cross other cables, try to do this at right angles to minimise interference.

I'd caution you about centre speakers, but it is off-subject!  Nevertheless, have a good look at this Discover the Surprising Flaw in Center Channel Speakers

 

I appreciate all the great guidance and the video about center channel speakers. I am leaning towards the  T-14 Speaker Cable - DH Labs Silver Sonic https://share.google/Wo4rwTXnxtRYcwcu0

 

Hello cgbgregg, You can also consider Iconoclast spkr cables. Due to room layout, I have 25' runs of Iconoclast TPC. Immediately upon listening to them, my boss who is always concerned about my audio expenses, smiled enthusiastically (!). The design inherently rejects noise, but the point is that even w my long run, they sound clear, revealing, enlarged soundstage, no noise. If your length is more reasonable than mine, they will send you a pair with a 30+ day return. Bob Howard at Iconoclast was very knowledgeable and thoughtful (850-860-0940). I did a ton of research before ordering; No way I am returning mine.   

Vh audio has cryoed wire

And analysis plushas very good awg wire 

 Shielded is not as important

I have  a 4 wire setup a common ground 

And a insulated isolated ground on its own buzz bar to the outside 

Everyday is the same No noise no sharing ground with other appliances 

My Audiophile friend electrician taught me this and breakers are silver over copper 

From Germany this ovoids the copper from oxydizing

Hey OP

you wrote you wanted "connect the speakers with shielded 12awg wire, "

I don't suggest you do that. As per the video, shielding affects the dynamics of sound because of the signals going to the speaker are higher voltage/current swings. just use good speaker cable

Shielding speaker cable adds capacitance, which acts as a 6dB/Oct low-pass filter. The longer the cable, the greater the capacitance, and the lower the frequency at which the low-pass cutoff frequency occurs.

Speaker level signals are much higher level than line level. like 20 or more dB, and so much less subject to audible effects. Twisting the wire results in equal noise pickup in both wires, which is cancelled at line level by the common mode rejection of the terminating end input. Balanced line feeds excel at cancelling this because noise is induced equally in both halves - Common Mode - and is measured by calculating the Rejection Ratio. Put together you have the CMRR. No such capability exists in a speaker, so twisting does nothing meaningful at speaker level.

The bottom line is using high quality bulk unshielded 12 ga. speaker wire for home theater runs of 25 ft is perfectly adequate. Here is one source: https://www.gearit.com/products/gearit-12-gauge-speaker-wire-cl2-rated-in-wall-ofc-oxygen-free-copper-cable-99-7-home-theatre-car-speakers-more-12-awg-pro-series-cl2?variant=30330652622957