@roxy54 you are right. You guys once lived a stone’s throw from each other.
Roger may have not have been as close to this hobby as required in order to find the success he envisioned. The old adage that we listen to systems more than components seemed appropriate that day. Most would not consider Roger’s system or environment representative of the high-end audio space. To provide some actual comparison, think of the solid state components from the heyday of Carver and NAD in the mid-80s to mid-90s, and a bit behind Bryston. I consider the benchmark solid state products from that those days Classe, Counterpoint, Krell, and Levinson, Jeff Rowland, etc., and they provided a fuller, more insightful and powerful sound.
During our afternoon together, I gave him my impression that he had a pretty tough path in front of him, and some work to do. Difficult, not impossible. But using past as prologue, I held little optimism the next 10 or 20 years would look better or different than the prior 10 or 20 years. He did ask if I felt interested in taking a preamplifier and / or power amplifier for evaluation. I demurred.
I think the manner he discussed his technology hurt him more than helped. Whatever he actually employed, and I have zero idea what he actually created, for whatever reason, he could not explain in an objective, forthcoming manner, or in a way that made sense, often refusing divulge "secret" information that would harm his business. Maybe he had something unique, special, and perhaps, better. But in order to get anywhere, instead of declaring it best without it standing up to questioning; it needs to pass the smell test. I’m reminded of a former boss who regularly said if we couldn’t explain something in 15 seconds, go back and think about it some more. That statement greatly helped my career.
I will say that along with the person who relayed the news to me, and the person in my audio group, Audiogoner tbg / Norm (who owned a lot of VERY serious gear over the course of decades) all had strong belief in Roger’s HCAT products, and seemingly true feelings in terms of how refined, advanced, and overall great the products were