Audiolabyrinth.It is said that rhodium has more extention, more louder and more top ends, with airy High frequencies.May be is a good chance to make a try.As I said before I have not experimented with gold or rhodium outlets.I have my furutech FPX duplex outlet, which is made of pure cooper.It is the cheapest Furutech and works excellent in my system.So it`s up to tou.Very often in Hi End audio to reveal a curiosity you have to spend money, that`s the ugly part.What really helps in Hi end audio is ( if possible) to have a group of people that can lend each other some plugs, cables to make a test and to discover what really works or not in a determined system.That saves a lot of money, but not always is possible.If you buy rhodium or gold or another outlet, please make a comment to see how it worked.I wish you luck!Regards!Raf |
Thankyou Rafael0054 for your reply, cheers. |
You`re welcome Audiolabyrinth.Regards. |
I just replaced my Tesla Plex SE with a Furutech GTX-D rhodium receptacle in my power regenerator. Powered up. Surprise -- the rhodium sucked the life out of the music. The Tesla Plex SE went right back in -- very quickly. Powered up -- ahhh, that's sounds better. Just like it should. All the warmth is back. |
Sabai, interesting feed back, all this seems to be a mixed bag of no certain absolute in nothing with gold compaired to rhodium, auditioning seems a must to what works best where. |
There are no absolutes. All I know is that the gold did not work in my system. |
At another thread here at Audiogon we have discussed the wall A/C receptacles.
One wants to remember that the Synergistic Research outlet's sound is a result of the combination of the metals used in construction and the Quantum Tunneling process that Synergistic applies to the outlet.
My system uses a mixture of Synergistic and the mentioned Furutech outlets.
The biggest stumbling block to using the Furutech outlets is no one I know of sells them with a 30 day trial.
Synergistic Research does have a 30 day trial to allow you to see if the outlet works in your system. |
Furutech also makes AC fuses, did not like them at all. I really love what the Oyaide R1 duplex AC plugs do in my system. |
Davidpritchard,
I think it is best to leave preconceived notions at the door when it comes to inlets and outlets. I was actually surprised that the Furutech was a dud in my power regenerator. I think what this discussion shows is that there are really no rules to go by -- only what our ears tell us. |
How much cost the US retail price for Oyaides R1 ?
i have 10 unit for sale
Thanks |
Michelzay.It is so true what you say about how Rhodium connectors works excellent in LEDHD TV.Yesterday I lend my PAD Musaeus power cord with Furutech FI-11- N1 (R) Rhodium connectors to a friend.He put it to feed its Audioprism power conditionner replacing a Shunyata Copperhead with Oyaide P 079 gold connectors.As a result the imaging has improved in 3D,more depth, more definition and contrasts.So I arrived at the same conclusion, that Rhodium connectors are an excellent option for LEd Tv signal.I had the same cable in my audio system and it didn`t worked, middles sounded restrained (voices sounded like forced)and basses very tight.So I make a Musaeus power cord with Fi-11-N1 Gold connector and now it works as I wanted.Again that doesn`t mean that in another audio systems rhodium could perform more comfortably ,but in my system definitely not.Cheers and thanks for your comments.P.D:At the moment I`m in the break-in process of Gold connectors(as you see in my another thread)I`ll take my conclusion after 180 hours of use.Cheers!Raf. |
Raf, thanks for your comments. in another treat I also posted some complementary information. hope that would help. For break-in period, my cables were already broke-in and connecting FI-11n took more than 180 hours and as I said earlier, after 220-250 you will really hear more refinements.
The original connectors on your power cord, seems to be Wattgate brass NEAM/IEC. So the difference between gold and brass should not be just as a subtle change in sound. I am interested to find out what are your conclusions. Perhaps I could use the same concept with one of my Transparent PowerlinkMM which uses also wattagate connector.
cheers,
Michel |
Bol1972.Just a question for you.In which Purist Audio Design cable have you tested the Oyaide F50 and F1 connectors?Was it a Musaeus or Aqueous cable?Cheers.Raf |
Michelzay.You`re welcome.Thanks for the info in the another thread.Regarding the Furutech FI-11-N1 gold is far better than the original wattgate brass connector( more openess in mids,higher resolution in hights ,but the bass section is not well defined yet.I suspect is a matter of break-in because it has improved a little in these days I`ve been listening.As I said I`ll write my conclusions after 200 hours(within two months)Hope this helps.Cheers.Raf |
Hi fellows.Yesterday I took the F1-11-N1 gold connectors out and put the old wattgate brass connectors to see how it sounded before the changement, and I must say that the differences in sound performances are so evident.In wattgate brass connectors the voices and other instruments sounds like all toghether and mixed (not separetely as in Furutech gold) and there is no this sense of depth in soundstage.Also strings haven`t such resolution and body as in furutech G and there is not this silence between the sounds.
Speaking of F1-11-N1 G Voices sound very opened, velvety character and with the breathing sounds, all instruments separetely and wright, beautiful soundstage,bass section accurate ,so in a word presence is what you hear.I know this is not a fair comparison between wattgate brass ( the cheapest of the serie) and Furutech gold.I suppose that wattgate gold connectors are as good as Furutech`s gold ones, even if I never tried them.Anyway this is my experience and I hope it could be of help to others.Cheers!Raf |
thankyou rafael0054 for your post, very helpful, keep up the good research, the truth is in the use! |
Hi RJA, concerning your 10-11-14 post, can you tell me what componet you put the Furutech GTX-D Gold on?, what you put your Rhodium outlet on?, cheers. |
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RJA can you be more specific?, cheers. |
Rhodium on solid state power amp, PC Rhodium male and gold on amp end. CDP has volume control so no pre. |
I do not think there is much difference, for some reason, I use the Rhodium on digital and gold plated on all else, other than copper.
You can buy 10, or 12 gauge wire at Home Depot and have as good a cable as you can get, unless you wire in your wall is also premium grade. It is a weakest link argument. |
I never have had anything with gold plating that sounds good. Everything just sound burnished and slow. |
Tbg, have you tested a GTX-D (G) wpo? Yes, it is gold plated, but there is NOT a drastic difference between the rhodium and gold versions despite the plating difference. The major mojo is in the base metal (pure copper), and the slight lean towards warmth vs resolution in the gold vs rhodium (respectively) is more related to a slight 'shade' vs night/day difference. But as always, ymmv. |
Thankyou RJA, However Gentleman, I am getting the complete package, the carbon fiber plate and aluminum wall frame,is there any increase in performance getting the plate and frame?, I was leaning towards getting the GTX-D Gold, it seems everyone has the Rhodium on the solid state amplifiers, that is what I am putting the first wpo on first, latter, I believe I might need the Gold on the digital, the Tara Cobalt power cord would benefit from the Gold I believe, I also am getting the SR Red fuses in the next few weeks for my amp, I talked to Synerchistic on the phone, Elliot was his name, I have to have four for my amp, ouch!, that's $400.00, However, I will be buying all from vh-Audio, cheers. |
Hi TBG, As it turns out, after talking to Elliot at Synerchistic research, The SR RED fuses are directional, here is the reason Elliot said, they are cryo treated from one end to the other, and that every componet out there has different resistance on one of the fuse holder prongs from the other, told me to install one at a time, and flip them around to determine the best sound , no need to check with meter,cheers. |
Hi, which Furutech GTX-D Rhodium or Gold sounds better on vocals and the over all mid-range for solid state amplification? |
In other words, which Furutech GTX-D puts the vocals further into the room and sound full? |
Audiolabyrinth, you were quite lucky to talk with Elliot. He is very knowledgable and open.
I still want to know how IsoClean decides how the directional arrow goes. In my testing of their fuses, I never found the arrow wrong if I knew which way it was designed to be inserted. Most manufacturers have the hot go into the circuit and the neutral come from the circuit.
When there weren't many fuses in the circuit, one could usually learn where the hot went in terms of the fuse holder. |
Hi TBG, yes, Elliot did seem knowledgable, I'm going to take his advise, as a matter of fact, he said he developed the SR Reds fuses!, currently, the main thing now is for many to answer my Question about these Furutech GTX-D Gold or Rhodium recepticles, I buying next week end, and like many to chime in to help, cheers to you TBG. |
Audiolabyrinth, I had the Furutech Gtx-d (r) outlets put into my HFC Waveguide power center as well as their Fi-03 IEC and the wire was updated at the same time. I would imagine that both contributed to my improvement. Remember, however, that I have never liked gold plating or solid. |
Hi TBG, is your furutech equipment fully burned to 200 and more hours?, if so, can you tell me if you exsperienced more fuller body on the vocals?, and thrusted more into the room with music behind the vocals?, thankyou TBG, you have been a great asset of help to me. |
I have to agree with Tbg, never have found gold plating anything to sound tonally to my likening. I'd go with the Rhodium based version although I have not heard either. |
Rsf, how can you recommend the GTX-D rhodium version over the gold when you've never heard either? Also I think you're over-generalizing. As I said earlier, with the GTX-D, the major mojo is the base metal (pure copper) which has a greater influence in the sound than the plating material which is a minor player. We're talking about a slide shade as opposed to a night/day difference. Both versions are outstanding. Chris from VH Audio recommended rhodium for tube-based systems or very warm SS systems where you don't want to risk going any warmer, and gold for neutral to slightly warm SS systems. |
Melbguy1 you are right I have not heard either of these connectors in my system but have heard both in a friends system and liked the Rhodium better. I'll admit I was generalizing because over the years I have never liked gold plated anything as much as I have liked pure copper or rhodium plated connectors. |
Ok, fair enough Rsf. Was you friend's system tube-based or perhaps using warm ss gear with an analogue front end? As if so, that would explain your preference. I haven't tested both outlets in different setups, however according to Chris V, the gold is better suited to neutral to slightly warm ss systems with digital front ends. But that is a generalization only as this is a subjective science and ymmv. |
I,m getting Both!, I will tell you the out come when I get 500 hours on both The Furutech GTX-D Gold and Rhodium, I suppose I may do a review of them, cheers. |
500 hours???? Really??? Just install them and enjoy, You will know right away what works best in your system . |
Jebsmith73, do you use or own any of the furutech GTX-D Rhodium or Gold I will have saturday? |
Nope, Me and a few others are running Oyaide R1 duplex outlets. Base metal is Beryllium copper. Plated first with Platinum,then finished with Palladium. I myself is a Solid State guy, but my other friends are running all tube gear. They are very happy with the R1 as well. |
I compared the Oyaide R0 and R1 and much preferred the R0, but the GTX/Dr is clearly the best. But I really think evaluating outlets is the greatest pain. |
Thankyou Jebsmith73 for your reply, many have the same opinion as TBG does about the furutech GTX-D Rhodium and Gold, I will see the out come over the next couple of months, currently, I bought both, however, I can exchange the looser for the winner between the two versions, or it may turn out that I can use both?, one version may work better than the other version on any given componet. |
240 dollars for one duplex plug ? Ouch! I will just wait a bit when something "better" comes out, and buy them "used" for $65 dollars. How do you think I got all my 14 R1? |
Hi Jebsmith73, As it turns out, I got 28% off full retail for the Gold Furutech GTX-D with the frame and cover plate package, then, to my suprise, friends that are dealer distributors got me a brand new un-cooked Rhodium for $156.00 shipped to me, now I may be getting another brand new frame and cover plate for an astounding $120.00 shipped to me, I will see if this deal pans out, that is a great deal considering my next best price is a whoping $265.98 from the same person that I bought the 28% package deal from, for the frame and cover plate, there are a total of three diferent people that I am dealing with, the two people I got the best deals from are personal friends that is tring to help me. |
Evaluating both Rhodium and Gold Furutech GTX-D outlet's now. |
Rafael0054, Hi, are you there?, I believe I am done way sooner than I thought, I can give you my impression's of compairisons if you answer here. |
Hi Audiolabyrinth,
I answered your comment in the another thread(break in of Furutech AC connectors).I`m eager to read your impression´s here.It`s always very helpful.Cheers!Raf |
Audiolabyrinth, I'd like to hear your conclusions too.
Last week, I made another experience regarding Rhodium vs. Gold Ac connectors. I put back again my AQ Volcano (Copper) speaker cables (instead of AQ Meteor Silver) and some copper interconnects (instead of AQ SKY silver) that I have. With Fi-11 gold AC connectors, the sound was kind of dark side of warm sound and lacks a little bit the high frequencies. Even though music was alive and resolution details were present and the bass was too much pronounced. Honestly I am not a Bass freak
I put back again my Dynamic Design power cords having FI-11 Rhodium and high frequencies opened up magically with Copper interconnect/speaker cables having wider soundstage. The sound was more neutral and one could hear tiny noises out of the records.
It was a pleasant surprise which confirms the AC connector needs to be matched also with interconnect cables materials and speakers cables. Gold connectors with Silver interconnect/speaker cables and Rhodium connectors with copper interconnect/speaker cables. I continue to be amazed how Power cords and related AC connectors would impressively change my system sound. Of course, AC receptacle play a big role especially matching it with power cords. I use Tesla AC receptacle.
I ordered some Silver and Gold iego set AC connectors that I look forward to receive them to make new experiences with Silver connectors and compared them with Furutech. I was told Silver connectors presents the best of Gold and Rhodium, lets see ...
Michel |
Michelzay, I had solid silver outlets from Stealth. They would not hold the power cords in. I have my outlets upside down relative to how most are installed. Commonly the outlet has the grounds at the bottom. Actually, I been told this is a violation of many cities' codes. As the ground is longer and wider having it at the top holds the pc in better. |
Hi Michaelzay, I enjoyed your review and find that I have the same impressions between Gold and Rhodium Furutech GTX-D wpo's, my cables are copper!, The Tara labs Zero Gold I/C, Tara labs Omega Gold speaker cables, Tara labs Cobalt power cord that is terminated with oyaide ends, the Rhodium is incredible with these cables, I went through a shock factor of the synergy with all of this, The Gold did not have the magical sound stage presatation or the Resolution that the Rodium brought out of my cables, you seem to be the first audiophile that knows what he is talking about, has nothing to do with tube or solid state equipment, like you said, rather it has everything to do with cables synergy!, well said Michaelzay, one thing that is most important that I have not said to no one yet, is the fact the Rhodium is incredible on the $5,450.00 Tara labs Cobalt power cord that is this,, Another industry first is TARA Labs' propriety annealing process, known as SA-OF8N 99.999999% copper (super-annealed, oxygen-free, eight nines pure copper). This creates a unique, long, unbroken crystal structure called mono-crystal which has exquisitely smooth and detailed transfer of frequencies over a very wide bandwidth. pure copper, which is the purest in the cable industry,even more pure than occ copper that is 6-nines,also versus cheaper power cords that I do not use that I had on hand for many comparisons that was not so much of a huge improvement like putting the Rhodium on a very good pure copper power cord, cheers. |
what I want to know is, Has anyone mixed Furutech GTX-D Rhodium and Gold wpo's? |
