Have you considered the Emission Labs 5U4G Mesh? They make a great tube. They aren't inexpensive but are spectacular. Even compared to Sophia. Sophia's 274B are $160 to $175 each where the EML 5U4G or 274B are $320 Each. I just set up my EML page yesterday but Art Audio uses several of their power tubes in some of our new products (Elise and Adagio) and as I have been talking to them and I spent a day digging through and learning about their products, the are committed to producing exceptional products. Just a thought. You can check them out here.
https://artaudio.us/products/emission-labs-5u4g-mesh-each?_pos=2&_sid=323b0cd48&_ss=r
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I've been using Shuguang 274Bs for years in my Dennis Had single ended amp...wore out one, replaced it with a "thetubestore" Preferred Series version...great tube for this amp. |
I know the topic is very old, but I will respond because it can serve someone for information!
The Airtight ATM300 accepts 5U5GB / 5U4G and 274B, but the ATM300A and ATM300R only accept 5U4GB, according to the manufacturer, any other model will damage the amplifier!
I have an ATM300, I really like the 5U4GB Tung-Sol and the 5U4GB Sylvania, Takatsuki 274B is my preferred rectifier tube (but decreases the maximum amplifier volume) since the Shuguang WE274B is also very good and has the same efficiency as the 5U4GB!
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I have use both GZ37's and GZ34's in my amp. With the GZ34's the B+ is 425v and the amp has a very taught, muscular robust sound. With the GZ37's the B+ is 400v and the sound is more relaxed with more breath and ease but also slightly softer around the edges.
Not sure what causes the difference in sound. Is it the difference in B+ or is it the different tube? I am guessing its the difference in B+. |
I just did search on the 5C3PJ and came up empty. Do you have a link to where you bought them? Thanks! Correction, number is 5Z3PJ, keyboard fumble. Ebay has them at high price, maybe worth it to try one out and if you need quantity go elsewhere. Most websites in English language look high, the one site that was close in price I have no experience with. Exercise common sense, post results if you test. Chinese 5Z3PJ |
Albert,
I just did search on the 5C3PJ and came up empty. Do you have a link to where you bought them? Thanks!
David |
Does GZ34 and GZ37 are the same? According to the Tube Substitution Handbook the following tubes can be substituted for each other. GZ34, 5AR4, 52KU, U54, GZ37, and U54. 5AR4 shows the following are also compatible, U77, 5U4GB, 5AS4, 5AU4 and 5V3A There is also an antique tube, the CV378 (British) which is excellent. I have a couple of them myself. Last, if you want something cheap but decent there is a Chinese rectifier called 5C3PJ that subs perfectly. I bought some on line for $3.00 each a couple of years ago. Have fun experimenting, you never know what will sound best until you experiment. |
Good Evening,
Does GZ34 and GZ37 are the same?
Thank for any help provided
Best regards |
The original Western Electric 274B is the king of all 5U4G rectifiers. The Sophia exhibits some of the traits. It is open and extended and strong in the bass. The mesh version may even be better than the standard one. It is priced fairly for a very well made and robust tube. |
You should try out the U52 (same version as 5U4) Osram or BVA as I used two pairs for my Silver Eagle Audio Signature monoblocks. |
I may try the Sophia version just for fun but am still using the RCA which sounded just fine last night. I will use it until finding someone for testing and always have the other two for replacements. Why can't new tubes be made like the old ones? Anyone know? |
Hi Tomryan. Forget about changing out your rectifier as both the Sylvania and Kenrad 5u4g's are terrific and should last a long time. While I have never had the pleasure of hearing the Air Tight 300b with the Western Electric tubes in it, after hearing a pair of their 2's. I am most certain it would be something very special indeed. |
Ecc. - I actually have 5 recs., two new ones (both a bit rough sounding) and three NOS all of which "stomp on" the new new tubes. My favorite of these in order are:
1) Sylvania - 1943
2) RCA - 1955
3) Ken Rad - 1940s
I'm afraid the RCA is nearing it's end, though. It arrived in used condition and was not NOS as advertised. However, it has provided wonderful music for the last 2 years and I don't regret the $85.00 spent.
Unfortunately, the Air Tight does not have a soft start feature so I have a shelf full of input and rectifiers tubes. However, I'm still using the WE 300B output tubes that came with amp three years ago and they spec out fine, at least by my amp's own bias meter. |
Hi Tonryan. Chriskeating's post above is an appropriate one regarding ramp up time. Does the airtight have a standby switch? Indirectly heated rectifiers vary in ramp up time in comparison to directly heated rectifiers. This lag time will prevent cathode stripping of the other tubes in your amp. Regarding sound of rectifiers.... While it may be difficult for some people to comprehend,like input tubes,driver tubes,and output tubes... rectifiers do make a difference and can have a major influence on the sound of the amplifier or preamplifier. If the amp or preamp employs a vacuum tube for rectification... it should be the first logical place to start regarding tube rolling for voicing ones system, as they can [and do] have a major influence. One can invest in expensive nos tubes for the input or outputs and only hear minimal changes in tonal balance,bass drive, frequency extention etc when a weak, unbalanced or mediocre rectifier is employed in the circuit,and then wonder what all the fuss is about with nos tubes! Swap out the sovtek or weak rectifier for a strong nos one and be prepared for a whole higher order here[ WOWZA]. The Western Electric 274b..... unlike the majority of Western Electric manufactured tubes, the 274b rectifier is grossly overrated and overpriced, you can find far better for less coin [much less]. The same can be said for a good many of the English rectifiers[mullard excluded here]... like the fabelled U-52. Typically... any early US and Canadian made coke bottle style 5u4g from the 40's will transform your amplifier to a whole higher order as long as both halves are close and the tube test strong. The original Tung-sol coke bottle being my particular favorite of the bunch. The RCA, sylvania, GE and many branded 5u4g coke bottles will simply stomp on any of the current equivalents. |
I have bought two recs which were highly recommended by my amp's importer as being far superior to that which came with amp. I shopped around (at 3 different sources) and located two of the highly prized NOS - thus the high price. I have to say that both tubes sound the same and I can't tell a difference, except between the one which came standard and a $20.00 new one. That is to say, the NOS tubes sound superb and have improved the musical performance of my Air Tight in a very meaningful way. Have to say I don't fully understand why a change in retifier tubes would make such a difference but it does. I just need to find someone who can test my existing tubes as I think one of them is slowly dying. |
tomryan,
The 274B is most likely a drop in, but there are instances where it is not viable. It comes on quicker than the 5U4. The folks at Sophia can help with that advice. I use a softstart with my stuff, so it is not an issue. |
Absolutely. Thanks, Ecclectique and everyone else. I have four different rec. tubes and each makes the amp sound different and two make it sound better. Now I just need to find someone local (Southeast Michigan area) who has a tube tester I can hire to find out what condition they're in. |
Hi Tom Ryan. Most Nos 5au4's and subs are readibly available, easy to source and relatively inexpensive. If you can ascertain the voltage requirements of the rectifier in the airtight, you have many options available to you. Rectifiers "DO" make a difference and in many circuits... it can even be quite dramatic. The most important parameter here is to make sure each side of a full wave rectifier is tightly matched and the tube itself should test no less than 95%.Good Subs for a 5au4 would include.... 5aw4,5ax4,5t4, 5v4, 5y3,5z4,5as4,,5931 and their euro equivalents. I like the old st shaped 5v4g in particular here for a sub. Hope this helps. |
I don't know where Tomryan buy 5U4GB, most of them are under $15 each on ebay. I got them as low as $5 |
Jake 42 - 5U4G is rated for 225ma; 5U4GB for 275ma. I don't have my Tube manual here; but I think the GB may be rated for a higher voltage also. Voltage sag under load may be slightly different too. A GB can be subbed for a G, but you need to check circuit demands before subbing a G for a GB. |
Albert,
Thanks for the BWS link. He does have some good prices. Has anyone heard their preamp? Also, will the 5931 interchange with 5ar4?
Joe |
I'm kinda new at this so if what I say isn't true, somebody jump in and say so.
I have an Audio Note Kit 1. The biggest change I have noticed so far was going from a Raytheon 5U4gb to a 2/59 US Army Coke bottle RCA 5U4G
I think the 5U4G and 5U4GB are interchangeable
I also like the JAN Sylvania 5931. This is also one of the coolest looking tubes I have. This sucker has 3 micas and a "girder" in it. Huge base also.
jp |
Man, maybe I've been overpaying for the Jan, Ken-Rad, and RCA used tubes! Anywhere from $65.00 to $85.00 and two of them looked well used. I also bought a tube that was advertised as NOS but came pretty well worn. This was from a private individual. Think I'll give BWS a try.
Chris,
Is the 274B a drop in replacement for 5U4GB? |
I cannot speak from experience with this exact product but in general, NOS tubes are far superior to new stocks. My luck with NOS 5U4GB has obviously been better than yours. My first choice would be Sylvania Gold Brand with old Tung Sol running a close second. My tests and reliability results were (as I remember) with Tube Research GT 400 and Mike Elliott's EASE Magnum. Here is a link to BWS tube who has them in stock. http://www.bws-tube.com/htm/tubes.html |
You can look at many options like the GZ37 or 5R4GYB. GZ34 might work in some applications too |
You shoulc contact Sophia Electric. They make a 274B solid plate or mesh plate that could be magic in that amp.
www.sophiaelectric.com
They are very nice folks too! |
NOS 5U4GBs are dirt cheap. $5-$10 each. Cheaper than the new ones. Shop around on ebay and try several different flavors for little investment. RCA, Sylvania, Tung Sol etc. Just look at the ones offered for carefully. Do they appear to be NOS. Original boxes; JAN military boxes; etc. Don't mess with the used crap at these prices. Have fun. If your amp can use 5U4Gs (225ma vs. 275ma) you might want to look into these. More expensive, but in my Cary SLI-80 much better sonically. Also, if your amp can use the 5U4Gs, look into some NOS 5AS4s. A pair of Mullard 5AS4s worked magic in my amp. Good luck! |
