Power conditioner or outlet?


I have a Shunyata MPC-12a power conditioner. Read that it was a good choice for audio equipment so I bought it. I also have high end power cords to all my equipment, as well as to my Shunyata.

I have recently read comments from listeners that you should plug your amp/preamp straight into the wall. Is that the case if you have a good power conditioner? I will do so if it is a better option, just concerned about no surge protection for the amps...but also don't want degraded sound! I am asking this because I am a newbie at all this, more money than audio sense. I am interested if anyone might have any experience in this
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Yes any connection that creates a complete circuit path from an outlet through equipment to another outlet is a potential carrier of lightening. WiFi is fast enough to create a local area network so if your equipment doesn’t have WiFi built in you can get a router that will receive the signal and pass it via LAN. It’s easy to set up and what I’ve done to isolate the router coax connection and the rest of the equipment. Don’t want to think about setting it up? Use an Apple Airport system and visit the ‘set up help’ on their Airport Utility for Mac or PC which walks you through it. If you have more experience you can do it with non Apple products. The newer products will work on “ac” networks which are screaming fast or older ones will have 5G or “n” networks which are fine for passing audio, the network utility app is super easy to use. All Apple routers also transmit audio signals via lossless SPDIF. Just plug a 3mm SPDIF adaptor into the headphone jack and you’ve got a lossless audio WiFi router system.

For those of you that asked about the sound differences in adding a PS 15. The low end is richer, the system is pin dropping quiet, having the perfect sine wave power with a large pool of current waiting to be used lets everything breath and open up. The highs are clearer and midrange more expansive.

Good luck,
Steve
Hi , did you upgrade the Outlets ? I have a Richard Grey unit and Silnote cords . But I also installed Hubbell medical grade gold plated outlets . I was amazed at how cheap the existing ones were . They utilized a spring push in system . The Hubbell’s  put the “Death Grip “ on my cords . If I ran big SS amps , I would go straight to the wall. Cheers , Mike . 
@vair68robert. I agree with the Tripplite Isobars for the noisy electrical items around the house. Fridge,microwave,etc, even lamps as they help keep noise out of the system. I’ve used them for a very long time. Rugged and reliable. (Useless for audio components). 
In my experience, plugging the Amplifier into the wall delivers more clarity and dynamics; have to say is not subtle, it's noticeable in my system. However, I'm not sure how much surge protection my Amplifier's fuse and built-in protection circuit -given it has one- could provide. I wonder if there is an affordable product that could protect your equipment from surges without altering the current/signal. 
kalali1,949 posts10-02-2018 4:52pm"it’s not so much the voltage that’s critical, but the current, and no simple voltage regulator can increase the available current - it’s the law of conservation of energy."

Sorry, I probably need a refresher on my EE but I thought one of the reasons folks invest in high quality power cords, dedicated circuits, or even care about high quality power supplies - both internal to the gear or external, was to avoid a drop in supply voltage as the gear, particularly high power amplifiers, draw current during peak demands as well as control sagging voltages during these swings.  Which part of the Ohm's Law am I missing?

You are missing total circuit impedance. You cannot add current without a regenerator/ sine wave creating unit, and they are large and expensive.
I have two dedicated 20 amp lines for my equipment.  I plug everything direct into those Furutech outlets.  I plugged in an iFi AC iPurifier which claims to have surge protection as well as noise cancellation, all for $99.  So amp, dac and streamer and then the iFi takes up all four plugs. 

I had a Furman 15i but got tired of the boxes and wire clutter and went for simplification as I never found it had any effect good or bad.  If the iFi does not work and equipment gets fried, I consider it a good excuse to get new equipment.  I feel the same way about my power tools, I love when I wear them out because then I can upgrade :)
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10-05-2018 1:48pm
Vair68robert.....wow, complicated! For me at least. I don't understand all of that, you have obviously invested a great deal of research in coming up with all this. What I think I do understand is I should invest in these ps audio harvesters in addition to my power conditioner? This would improve sound...is that right?

Easola01 : Install a surge protector at the breaker panel, and use whatever power conditioner sounds good to you. Schneider Electric makes a compact surge protector, and Home Depot now carries them.
They retail for about 90.00 to 120.00. Better to catch the surge before it gets into the house. The ones in the house will be secondary in effectiveness.
Yes thank you. I ended up getting a Shunyata power supply and also I have a whole house surge protector
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Most of the higher level Furman units have separate outlets for different uses. Seems to work well. I have the 15i as well, and everything goes into it. Lighting is a very real deal here in CO and surge protection is a must. I simply don’t trust direct into the wall. I do plan to do a whole house surge protection soon.