Please Educate Me


If I can’t find the answer here, I won’t find it anywhere. 

Something I’ve wondered about for a long time: The whole world is digital. Some huge percentage of our lives consists of ones and zeros. 

And with the exception of hi-fi, I don’t know of a single instance in which all of this digitalia isn’t yes/no, black/white, it works or it doesn’t. No one says, “Man, Microsoft Word works great on this machine,” or “The reds in that copy of Grand Theft Auto are a tad bright.” The very nature of digital information precludes such questions. 

Not so when it comes to hi-fi. I’m extremely skeptical about much that goes on in high end audio but I’ve obviously heard the difference among digital sources. Just because something is on CD or 92/156 FLAC doesn’t mean that it’s going to sound the same on different players or streamers. 

Conceptually, logically, I don’t know why it doesn’t. I know about audiophile-type concerns like timing and flutter. But those don’t get to the underlying science of my question. 

I feel like I’m asking about ABCs but I was held back in kindergarten and the computerized world isn’t doing me any favors. Now, if you’ll excuse me, I have some work to do. I’ll be using Photoshop and I’ve got it dialed in just right. 
paul6001
Paul6001,

I was new here not so long ago too. I liken the experience to being a bride’s guest at a wedding where most of the other guests are the groom’s family - and they drink too much and bicker over dinner and end up having a fist fight in the car park. Like that bride’s guest, it is better to watch, not join in.

On your points - I think there are many engineering choices to be made when processing digital information, especially when making the first capture of analogue sound and also when converting it back. There are loads of engineering choices too when the storage medium is a spinning vinyl disc. We hear replicas of the original sound. It is an illusion. The recording engineers, mastering, encoding, and decoding are choice-maker at every stage. You are hearing their choices when things sound different. 
Your listening - if I was you, I’d put together a headphone system for personal listening. Use Roon to benefit from crossfeed filters. Seems like in your NY apartment you will struggle to have a listening room and a living room in the same space. So don’t try. Headphones for personal listening, and some easy listening omni-directional room-filling, guest-pleasing speakers for social listening.  I’m a fan of back-loaded horns because wherever you and guests  sit in your room everyone gets a lovely listen. 
Now, see you soon in the car park where we can watch some of the old boys take their jackets off and start swinging - and missing. 
What a cleverly apt analogy.
Don't forget wedding crashers.
No one is sure who's side they are on, they hurriedly eat and drink too much, and before anyone can confront them, they disappear.
Ditto @Paul6001!!!. Millercarbon, I don’t see where the op used the word ‘record’ in the first place; but I do see where they asked a question and the phrase ‘educate me’ should be taken literally unless you know the user quite well and can be absolutely positive that it is they who are being cynical; rather than only you.
I can’t help but notice that when Paul McGowan raises the exact same point that I did in my original post—100 replies ago—no one makes fun of him, no one mocks him, no one feels the need to attack. Maybe Audiogon members should be paying a little more attention to the merits of a question rather than the cred they attribute to the poster.

As before, I’d like to thank the many people who jumped to my defense. I can assure you that I’m not so fragile as to take these anonymous remarks seriously.

Many of those people encouraged me to continue posting, usually saying something like, “It’s a tough crowd at first but you’ll eventually fit in.”

You know something? I don’t want to fit in. I returned to this site because I had a question and I was looking for an answer. Yesterday, I left my CD player on pause all night. That didn’t seem like a good thing to do but I thought I should climb the mountain one more time and seek wisdom from the old men at the top.

This question had been asked many times before and, as I suspected, the consensus was that it wasn’t a good idea. But, almost invariably, the OP was torn limb from limb for having the temerity to waste the valuable time of random Audiogon users.

I assume that there’s a function somewhere on this site that allows a person to see the newest posts and to offer an immediate response. I further assume that a not insignificant number of users have nothing better to do than watch that list of new posts, then race to demean the usually well-meaning poster. (I say “usually” because rumor has it that troublemakers post questions using the subject line“Ecucate me.”)

These people merit concern, perhaps treatment, certainly pity. And, believe it or not, I don’t feel any particular urge to feel comfortable among them. 

And if anyone bothers to watch that clip, he’ll find that McGowan has been working on this problem “that makes no sense whatsoever” for years and sounds like he’s got years to go. He seems like a pretty smart guy. That is company that I don’t mind keeping.
"This question had been asked many times before and, as I suspected, the consensus was that it wasn’t a good idea. But, almost invariably, the OP was torn limb from limb for having the temerity to waste the valuable time of random Audiogon users."

What question?

paul6001
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02-24-2021 5:03pm
I can’t help but notice that when Paul McGowan raises the exact same point that I did in my original post—100 replies ago—no one makes fun of him, no one mocks him, no one feels the need to attack. Maybe Audiogon members should be paying a little more attention to the merits of a question rather than the cred they attribute to the poster.


Well actually Paul does get a lot of deserved mocking, perhaps not here, but certainly elsewhere. Some of the stuff in his videos makes one shake your head.


The percentage of people here who have a deep understanding of how audio works is not that high. The percentage of people who think they do is much higher. You just have to participate in any thread that compares analog to digital to see the litany of blatantly wrong things that are assigned to digital while ignoring the litany of things that are blatantly an issue with analog especially vinyl. 


This probably is not the best place for your questions.