Ohm Walsh Micro Talls: who's actually heard 'em?
I'd love to hear the impressions of people who've actually spent some time with these speakers to share their sense of their plusses and minuses. Mapman here on Audiogon is a big fan, and has shared lots on them, but I'm wondering who else might be familiar with them.
The point of my using the Ohm 2.2000 SATs is why have a driver pushed to a frequency that causes distortion . The speakers sit on top of the subs and are now in acoustic suspension cabinets . I installed signal line caps in my amps to hi pass above 50 HZ . I find the Walsh driver sounds more refined this way . The second pair of subs evens out the bass response in the room . In this case more subs is less boom that is . Distributed bass is the way to go |
Good point that cabinet volume is a main factor in producing deep bass. Smaller speakers ("short" version of OHMs are much smaller cabs and more limited in bass extension) will always need help to deliver the lowest octaves. Size matters when it comes to delivering extended bass. Speakers must do EXPONENTIALLY more work as the frequency gets lower. The laws of physics always apply. |
it'll be very interesting to audition a set of Ohm speaker for the first time. From what I have been told by John S, I would not be disappointed by selecting the cylinder shape if I can live with the aesthetics. Growing up, my dad had a pair of Bose 901 series 2s and I really liked the sound presentation from those speakers. just like Ohm speakers, the placement and distance from the wall and room orientation was very important. Despite of not being very detailed in the highs, I found the base and the mids to be more than adequate and they could handle as much power as you could throw at them. Immediately after learning about the Ohm speakers it reminded me of my dad and how he spent hours fiddling with the placement of the speakers and somehow I knew, I got to give these speakers a shot. it reminded me of my childhood memories and put a fat smile in my face. |
Another way to look at it: With Ohm Walsh if you have 8" drivers or larger in your speakers already being driven by a high power high current amp that will never come close to breaking a sweat (Class D or otherwise) you already have the equipment needed to do deep bass well with music. Its essentially the same driver and amp combo you get in a similar sized powered sub. No adjustments or eq needed if speakers set up well in the right sized matching room. The key is to match the right size OHMs to your room. Thats the OHM/JS model that nobody else offers, ie the same essential sound from all speakers in the line large to small when integrated into the room properly. Its hard to find quality speaker makers with affordable products that use 8" or larger bass drivers these days. Used to be common. Size and power matters most when it comes to doing bass well. Multiple drivers help but add their own issues and I am not a fan. The fewer drivers needed to do the job right the better. Good quality modern small bass drivers do a decent job though of getting more bass out of a smaller package by providing drivers capable of greater excursion than most common larger drivers of the past. MicroWalsh does an impressive job with the bass I am told. Totem and others always surprise me pleasantly with bigger sound than expected out of a small package. |
Thanks for your input mapman. I think for music playback I definitely don't need a sub in my room and when it comes to movies, I think, I can "live" with not having the couch and the entire surroundings shake. I am however, seriously considering the Class D amp. should be getting the speakers by next Tuesday. it's been a loooong wait. |
I have felt no real need for subs with either of my OHMs running off 500 w/ch Bel Canto ref1000m amps in matched volume rooms: 100 series 3 driver (8") in smaller rooms 5 series 3 driver (12") in any size room Subs are a good way to max out sound of smaller OHMs in larger rooms. Otherwise I would go no sub with high power high current amp. Class D makes that more practical for most and good ones sound top notch/hard to fault. In larger rooms if 20 hz response for organ or electronic music is desired, then perhaps in order to take things to the absolute nth degree possible. Or check out 5015 models with powered subs built in maybe. I like castors on my larger OHMs especially when floor type is conducive. They help immensely to move those potentially large heavy things around easily as needed. |
Thanks guys, My intention of getting the 10" driver was to have enough bass to not need subs. Unfortunately, my wife is not into sound systems and her ears are extremely sensitive to bass, she has an "allergic reaction" to the word "sub-woofer" and the only time I can actually watch movies the way I like is when she is not home :). I found a thread on audioshark about the Hypex N500 based amps (class D amps) that I am reading. it's a mere 100 pages long so I have my work cutout for me. Mapman, Do you have the bel canto black series amps? If you are satisfied with the performance of the bel canto and the ohm 5000s that should be an indicator that the new hypex class Ds are up for the task. |
I just wanted to add, I don't believe you need a sub with those speakers. there's plenty of bass and it goes fairly low with a reasonable output me thinks. If you play electronica or have a penchant for organ music a sub or preferably two is a must. I think two is the only way to go, better for output, better for room integration and it sounds way better as it integrates in the system much better....Now the previous words about bass output of your speakers it's all dependent again on the amp.... Look at the output of the speaker, if I don't remember wrong there at about 87db at 1 meter at 1w And they are 4ohm IE a hard load for most low powered amps. I need an Espresso or two......🇸🇪 |
Yes if you use a sub your speaker will work less hard no doubt, but only one problem. The unit (receiver,integrated) must have a X-over or it's going to be a little hard to separate the bass from midrange, tweeter action. BUT.....But someone just said, I will use the X-over in the sub/subs. I never liked doing just that, more connections, more speaker cable, and if you try to save money you most likely have a inexpensive sub which equals crappy electronics and questionable bass... Damn it just buy a better amp....lol 🇸🇪 |
I agree the more clean power and current with the ohms the better. Whether one needs it or not is a different story. Personally id always go with more clean power and current for the most fun. Js used a high power newer Peachtree amp to demo the ohms at ny audio show last year fwiw. Using with powered subs changes the story. Almost any good quality modest power amp should do very well. Impedance curves ive seen did not indicate a hard load at higher frequencies. Power requirements always increase exponentially as the frequency gets lower. Poor or muddy bass is a double whammy in that it also tends to muddy the midrange. |
Hi Peter, Yeah, I know what you mean. I am sure the 400W/channel mono blocks are going to be more fun and dynamic. I think to be fair to my wallet and to not get myself in trouble, I am going to hold off on the mono blocks until I get familiarized with my setup. meanwhile, I am going to do my homework and see what option will suite me and the wallet best. |
Hi rodm... You might get lucky and your integrated will be ok, but that's all it's going to be. I gurantee that you will need way more power and or current to have them come alive. I do have a pair of 2000's on loan and I don't have a problem using 400-500w when playing loud or if I use a very dynamic cd. Just my 0.2 cents. I did actually use a Marantz 130w per ch amp, and it fell on its face as soon as I cranked up the volume YMWV More power always equals more fun.......🇸🇪 |
Bondmanp and mapman, Thanks for your quick inputs. your suggestions are spot on. I am going to play with the Ohm and Arcam combo for a few weeks and then decide if I really need more power. Just did a quick research on the bel canto and sure enough it appears that they are also using a custom Hypex module, possibly the nCore NC1200 or the older UcD models. From Mapman's experience with the bel canto and the fact that Ohm speakers are not very sensitive speakers (88db @ 2.8v ), Class D amps should be a good fit. |
rodm_2001: I don't have any experience with these amps, other than hearing them briefly at shows or stores, and not with Ohms. The only Class D amp I have used with my 2000s was the Arion Audio RS-500. I liked them a lot, but it was a loaner pair and I was not amp shopping. I use an Odyssey Audio HT3 (with cap upgrade) for my 2000s, and I love the combo. But, this is with a pair of powered subwoofers, so the power demands of the 2000s is not as high as if they were run full range. Mapman uses bel canto Class D amps, and he seems to really like the combo with his Ohm 5s. But, I would hold off on the amp purchase. Try the Ohms with your receiver first, for at aleast a couple of weeks. Then, if you think they are somewhat broken in and you still want more, try to get a more powerful amp that you can return, or borrow one from someone. FWIW, I briefly hooked up my 2000s, without the subs, to an 80 watt per channel Onkyo receiver and was surprised by how little was lost when I went to the lower power and left out the subs. |
No experience with those particular amps but your plan is a sound one. I'd start with the 90 w/ch arcam and see how that sounds first then if still desired 250w/ch or more of good quality Class D meaning robust power supply and high current delivery good down to 4 ohm would be a step up in most cases. Benefits may be lesser in a smaller room and/or lower volumes only. Arcam is good stuff but most receivers and many integrated amps cannot match separates of the same power rating in regards to power suppl;y and current delivery with low distortion into lower impedances which matters to get the most out of the OHMs. |
Hi Guys, I am still waiting for my Ohm super sound cylinder (10" driver) to arrive but since a few people here have mentioned that these speakers need loads of power, I have started looking at power amps as potential add. I am using an Arcam SR-250 stereo receiver rated at 90W per channel into 8 ohms. I was thinking about using the Arcam as my preamp and add one of the new Hypex Ncore based class D amplifiers as the main driver. Seems like the Ncore modules by Hypex have been very well taken by the audio community and companies like NAD and ATI amplifier technology and Nord acoustics have released products based on these Ncore modules. Has anyone here have any experience with this relatively new class D design? would it pair OK with the Ohm speakers? I guess a phone call to John S would also be helpful. The company that I am mostly interested in is the Nord acoustics. They seem to be very open about all the components that they are using in the amplifier and they can put together a true mono block design (separate power supply and amplifier channel) with Op Amp of your choice (front buffer) into a stereo box for relatively "affordable" price tag. Any feedback or first hand experience with these products? Thanks, |
I walked through the hallway I took a right, they invited me in handed me a 12" ipad like a sommelier in a fine restaurant. Sat down and casually asked me to chose something....wow thats unusual som I picked a Supertramp song.....how cool is that. I guess he had the full Tidal archive streaming with pictures. I have an IPad and it would be simple to hook up and pay $20 a month or what ever it is. I wanted to add a few other good sounding speakers: Bryston speakers very nice with their electronics. Some German horn speaker Lovely sounding And look the part. Gaia or something looked amazing like something from the 5th element (the movie) sounded like perfection. Nola a smaller about 4" tall version very nice. Thats it for now.....🇸🇪 |
I'll vote with that, maps...*S* Class D is still in it's infancy, and digital audio in general has more or less become the mainstream of the times. It will only improve, becoming smaller, lighter, more powerful, and able to leap over tall sampling rates without even a bound.... Esoteria will continue to exist, as the 'cutting edge' of now becomes the 'vintage' of tomorrow. But that's the way of all things; if it's not growing, it's dying... Audio shows will start to look like the computer shows of today. My only hope is that the exhibitors can have spaces that are acoustically isolated from each other and the halls that serve them. Shows still sound like walking through a massive cage of excited canaries, each singing different tunes....physically and mentally tiring in a way that's not typical, no.... |
I less well fit the mold of a traditional audiophile these days. Class D amps, digital streaming, and high quality low cost DACs, even headphones (if those are enough to float ones boat alone) available these days makes better sound available more ways than ever and for more people and for less. Its just not that hard to get really good sound anymore due to advancements in technology. Heck if I had to I might even be able to get by with the portable HK Onyx blue tooth speaker I use when convenient fed via Bluetooth from computer tablet or phone of choice. Not the nth degree in hifi by any stretch but darn good, convenient and better than most things most people had at their disposal up until recent years. Also easy to move around in rooms for best acoustics. :^) For those with more esoteric tastes in what constitutes good sound, the sky is still the limit. The audio shows have been invaluable to me though as a tool to help me refine my own personal reference standard for good sound over the years as my ears do their thing there and learn. |
No doubt that there's a load of great stuff, but for me personally I find that very little stands out as "Special" most of the stuff is the same old stuff with some lipstick. If I would compare to an audio show 20 years ago, I would say that things are looking way better, there's more bling stuff and cables abound everywhere. Does it sound way better I'm talking $100k better? I don't think so. In some ways it looks like cheaper products are getting some love on the scene and with that you could find some really decent sub $500 speakers, subwoofers and electronics. Have a great day...........🇸🇪 |
'Interesting' is being very kind, and I'll thank you. *S* Most likely think 'deranged' or 'troll', but the Truth (imaginary or other) is actually pretty simple. ;) Glad you liked ESS. I used to own a pair of AMT 1C's which sure looked a lot like their 'Classic' current and had the same driver set. I still own a pair of the larger tweets....nothing quite like them, IMHO... Pity you and Paul got into 'bench racing'...fun as it may be, time seems to leak away faster when other things beckon. When I go to shows, it's like a 'search & destroy mission'.... "Sucks....BS....More of Same.....MS....MS....Hmmm, NO....*pause*That......sucks....ms....*etc.*" I go for what's gotten my attention, but I'm still stingy with it. You get it if I take off the muffs. Reps tend to look surprised that I'm wearing them in their space....more when I don't remove them...;) A good looking chassis should be female. All else is just decor. *L* |
Jerry you are one interesting dude......:) One thing that I found on a lot of good sounding speakers, was a type of ribbon or another. And the best sounding speaker I saw was this no name monster built by High Fidelity Cables, tons of drivers and the sweetest tweeter (ribbon) driver that looked like a Raal driver and a 5" midrange CF cone. The weird thing was that it was sheet metal open baffle unit....friggin fantastic, but I think they had at least $100k worth of front end equipment and these cables with an in-line attachment looking like a chromed heat seeking missile. The Mytek Brooklyn is such a cute and attractive unit, but it was only hooked up to headphones and I don't do headphones so I couldn't honestly give an honest take on the quality of the sound. There was no way to sit down and listen to a specific amp so I'll going to have to go by what's recommended by my friends in the business. I walked in to this room with ESS speakers and drivers, very interesting and I got to talk to one of the guys from the factory. I was invited to the factory here in SoCal. I would love to sit down and listen to the units with my music, no people talking. They come in three sizes and the price ain't bad at about $320 no matter the size. Just another possible tweeter solution and the units X-over at 800hz and it's a dipole. Worst sounding room was a set a Wilsons.......Soooo bad and depressing sounding I lasted maybe 60 seconds as I felt so bad for the guy. Down stairs was a Killer Atmos theater with over 20 speakers a big laser projector with a 160" screen. My buddy Paul happened to rep most of the equipment in the room. It was amazing if I heard it lol I got busy chatting with Paul about life etc. and before I knew it they closed down for the evening...crap Other speakers: Magico s3 Sounded good not my cup of tea Focal Soprano sounded very very nice, with a nice tight bass. Cables, what can you say, there's more attractive snakes than in the Amazon jungle. It's more jewelry then anything else I would say, but they do make a difference and if you do your due diligence you should be able to find something great for less then $10,000 I'm watching some Indy racing so ta ta........🇸🇪 |
What I see in the mirror in the AM I don't recognize anymore....*L* Kinda 'sets the stage' for the balance of the day....;) "We have met the enemy, and He is Us." https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http%3A%2F%2Fimages.gr-assets.com%2Fbooks%2F1329260478l%2F65211... Pogo was Right...dammit.... |
Just saw Jerrys explanation of what he sees in the mirror....lol Very tired, saw a lot of stuf, but wasn't overwhelmed. As soon as I arrived I ran in to my friends that owns Possitivefeedback.com Sat down and shot the breeze until they had to go to the room. As I was having lunch at the bar counter I ran into David Saltz the owner of WireWorld cables. We had a great time bitching about politics which is always fun. Stopped in to a bunch of rooms, and if the audio doesn't draw me in within 30 seconds...bye bye. I found a lot of the bigger multi gazillion what ever with amplifiers the size of big ice chests the worst. I loved the little Legacy with the French metronome electronics absolutely fantastic. GamuT small book shelves sounded so sweet and gorgeous. The Book shelf Raido bang on and I would love to have a set. The smallest Yg acoustics sounded great, kind of funny when an older gentleman sitting in front of me bitching about the aluminum construction. Telling me that no cello was made from aluminum ever......what ever, it sounded great. Heard a few Wilsons but walked out after 30 seconds, none of hem appealed to me. There was this Japanese company with a weird name but such sweet lovely sounding field coil speakers, room was packed and I can see why as they sounded right.....wow. I expected to have my ears blown out within 10 minutes, but most rooms kept the volume in check. Amother very impressive speaker is the very large bookshelf speakers (on stand) PMC's very dynamic with bassthat surprised. I never heard about Einstein speakers and electronics played on first class vinyl, again wonderful presentation in a smaller package. Green mountain openback dipoles sounded so bright I had to leave. Zu Audio the same no sweetness and they used a Firstwatt F6 and vinyl. I finally got stuck chatting with an old friend in the business and then it was time to go home. If I forgot something and I'll have some images I'll put it up on Sunday..... 1:01am.......time for some sleep.......🇸🇪 |
We're a non-profit organization, subsisting on donated equipment from families working to cure this tragic disabling condition. Our small warehouse has been filled with all manner of items sent to us to thwart this condition, as the only real cure seems to be the 'cold amp' approach. This has been compared to the 'cold turkey' scenario used for smokers, alcoholics, addicts, and 'binge television watchers'. When we receive your donation, we will FedEx a strait jacket and a mouth gag ball to help your loved one cope with their 'new reality'. Someone had to start. We provide the 'off switch'. |
(...10 hours later he was found by hotel security in one of the closets in an unknown demo room with a pair of headphones on. The clue to his location was by following the cord from the equipment, which had been turned off awhile back. He seemed unaware of that fact, humming to music only he could hear...) Is anyone in your family an audioholic? Do you know the signs of this condition? Do you know the number of our nationwide hotline to call for help when your loved one is exhibiting these signs? 1-888-866-5683...that's 1-888-TOO-LOUD Let us help you turn it down....;) |
I fortunately don't suffer with or from arthritis, but there are those that think I should be sedated.....heavily. I guess my attempts at self-medication aren't sufficient enough... "Twenty twenty twenty four hours to go..." Well, I try, in my way....mostly in my way...;) Yeah, dumpster dough in LA will run some bucks, but consider the damage to self if you loaded/hauled/unloaded and the combat traffic betwixt. And the trailer and/or the PU you may not have. And then there's the Smell of the dump....makes your nose want to retreat to the back of your skull... Well, medicate lightly, and go enjoy. I wish I could go with you...stare at the baubles, listen to a few, and tolerate some of the nearly galaxy class hyperbole that accompanies it.... "You absolutely guarantee that, when I listen to This amp, I will nearly pass out from the orgasms it triggers? Really?!" (Run that pass a rep at your own risk...the response will be Precious, but I can't say exactly What It Will Be...;). I'd love to wear that on a T-shirt to a show, Just Because I Can. *L*) We could retreat afterwards to the Barbed 'n Grilled to lift a few and say "What'dya say? My ears are still ringing..." for awhile... Yup, you're right. No respect. *L* It's a show, I've paid for admission, but I don't have to drink the Kool-Aid and fawn on Pavlovian demand. 'State of the Art' still depends on state of mind of the observer. I will attend the church, but have no need to be an altar boy. An altered one....maybe...*LOL* |
Thanks Jerry.... I was planing to go today but my Arthiritis really flared up so Im medicated my self and with that no driving. Tomorrow I'll go even if I have to take an Uber. The deck was dismantled and it was an Herculean effort, but ultimately worth it. I had to rent 3 dumpsters at $105 each, what a racket. Tomorrow....LA 🇸🇪 |
peter, have a good time and a well-deserved break from 'duty on deck'. *G* My standard advice is to take your muffs and save the ears for what you Really want to hears... ...and here I thought you were building a 'vintage' deck. *L* My faux covfefe...I'll clean it up later....;) (Those late-night posts eventually catch you and slap your little hands....*smirk*) |
Countdown for fun..... So tomorrow is the first day of LA Audio Show. I figure two days of walking, talking And listening to some killer audio me hopes. I want to hear the Mytec Brooklyn and Im also in the market for a low powered amp for the front tweeters, cables for the cabinet wiring, and some music. I'm lucky that I know a lot of people in the business so a VIP lounge with booze, coffee and comfortable chairs will be used frequently by yours truly. I'll bring a camera take some pictures and do some write ups for you guys, If anyone want to meet up feel free to email me at peterhorvath6233@gmail.com I will be there Friday afternoon and Saturday all day. Should be a great weekend.......🇸🇪 |
Hey Martykl.... That sounds killer, please shoot some images as I would love to see what you did with the space. Decided so sleep in this morning as I woke up with what I would call "Deckpain" no fun at all, but I cleared out the whole shebang. So now all I have to do is to cut of the steel anchors or possibly try to back them out of the concrete. As I was lounging in bed I was thinking about how to attach the vertical tweeter bridge to the speaker. I think I will laser cut a plate in 3/4" aluminum that will in turn be part of the speaker cabinet and also were I can bolt in the main driver... Time to get up for some Covfefe............🇸🇪💉 |
I just converted my listening room to dual purpose - it now doubles as a home recording studio. I'll be monitoring my mix with Ohm 100s (and with Rythmik subs/Audyssey for a second pass). It will be interesting to see how these recordings play on my other systems - SF Cremonas, Maggie MMGs, Merlin VSM - as well as my car. |
The forum police will see Cialis, find It of topic, same with the bathtub. As for lumber, that's the crap I'm tossing my friend, I built it 25 years ago and I over used concrete anchores.....dang it. Now I'm paying for it, rusty nasty and most likely not going to come out easily. That's for tomorrow. Just also realized that it is my 25th wedding anniversary. The last week I done bupkiss with the speakers,needed a break away from mdf dust. does not mean I stopped thinking about it though. ..............🇸🇪 |
My spouse seems to like to engage me when I'm 'muffed'....starts talking, and I just smile and nod like an idiot. "You didn't hear a thing I said, didn't you?" "Nope...should I have?" That provokes a varied range of response, depending on the subject. One has to pick the moment....*L* A dangerous form of 'mental Cialis moment' without the stupid bathtub inference which I still don't 'get'..... Shower, Yes. Bathtub? NO! Neither of us wants to clean up the mess, nor want an outdoor tub. Hot tub....eh, been there, too... *L* This 'off topic' stuff is probably being clucked at.... |
*LOL* Peter, by the Gawds I wish that were so.... Lately, just French Roast with a tad of Irish creme'...a nice mix of 'up & down', adult Nestles' Quik. ;) Stir in some bad 'tude, some irony for temper control, mixed mssg. attempts at humor at no own's expense, and a general bemusement at the human condition to a refugee from LA and the Sixties. You MIGHT end up with me, or something you'd rather approach with a cattle prod or a 12' pole. ;) Oh...and add a desire to not buy the BS, when it should be free since it's so plentiful.... Good to see you're recycling lumber. Keeps it from that 'new/raw' look, and it should be cheaper except for the labor. Which is obviously taking it's toll. *G* That's usually the trade-off... Looking good..*S* If faced with the same project, and a dose of time&$ (ever notice how those generally don't occur at the same time?), I'd add a weatherproof sub and a pair of line array columns that'd support an awning. It'd beat the typical outdoor speakers, and I doubt that anyone has tried it... |
And I thought I was over using the nectar of the Gods (Espresso). But in this case there might be something stronger then Espresso, and asvjerry is using it to its fullest strength (what ever it is) lol I forgot the image of the day, so here it is. https://www.flickr.com/gp/147883144@N08/2deh1g Almost done but my back and my poor poor fingers needed a few prescription strength fun pills or I'll be up all night feeling sorry for my self. And as you can see I do try to retain my hearing. More soon my friends.....🇸🇪 |
Oh...the M BC/B is handsome, spouse's 'eye candy' on a leash. BC body, B coloration....and brain, therefore the rub. *L* The others in the litter, short stumpy legs.....no.... Been enjoying 'Downward Dog' on the tube. And 'The Secret Life of Pets' is just what we'd suspected all along.... I always thought our cats would smoke my stash and listen to Elvis @ 10 when we were away...then purr @ us....little posers... |
Getting decked by deck duty requires beer(s)...;) Either of ours would have gotten the garden hose therapy for that act. *L* But boats get missed frequently. Our f/m Pit/Plott is as smart as our M Border Collie/Bassett is dumb (but loyal...*G*). She's the near perfect canine...his worst act is sucking on one of my bed pillows... We've yet to figure out Why...and I'm wondering why Mine vs.Hers. Some sort of misplaced affection, or just being as neurotic as his owners....*shrug*G* Nice stuff, maps....enjoy. *S* |
The IOU Greetings from an exhausted Swedish guy. So I moved in to our current house about 25 years ago, and at the time a cool deck made from red wood sounded like a great plan.....and it was for the longest time. One day I woke up and decided I needed an additional dog, She's the best little doggie but she decided that peeing on the deck was way more comfortable then walking an additional ten feet like all my other dogs always did. Six years later things had spiraled out of control and no matter what I did, a certain odor made BBQ'ing a less than fun. So by Mothersday I told my wife I would re-do the deck at some point....the IOU was pulled and now I'm doing deck duty, way worse than building speakers I tell you. Its great to see some movement in the thread and 14 + Million eyeballs is amazing. Im getting a beer..........🇸🇪 |
My thoughts on limited range walsh drivers is it makes more sense for omnis to cover lower frequencies that are inherently less directional. Also rear and side radiating omni drivers require more distance from walls to avoid early reflections which are always harmful. So I tend to think JSs approach is better for most people than say the GP or mbl approach. Having heard mbl set up properly though with proper distance to walls and proper treatments, they are in a class of their own in regards to 3d holographic imaging when set up right. Listening to walton Crown Imperial March as I type with Sennheiser Momentum phones off Bel Canto c5i digital integrated, a simply marvolous technological wonder. Digital source is Squeezebox Touch, another gem, wirelessly connected to my FLAC format music library on the computer downstairs. Viva technology! |