Need to learn about Audio Research


Still exploring amps and preamps to go with my Magnepan 3.7i. 
I've always heard about Audio Research being a great match, but I'm not familiar with the brand at all.
I'll need to shop the used market since the new gear is way out of my price range. 

I am looking for a high power (100wpc +) amp and a preamp that has remote control. I'd like the preamp to be tube, and the amp could be either solid state or tube.
I don't know at what point in the model lineup remote control was added, but it appears most of the older gear did not have a remote. 

Any AR experts here?

traudio

I'd use a used Ref 5 or 6 preamp as they are arguably "straight wire with gain" and don't color tamper with the input signal.

I don't quite agree with this, fwiw. The Ref 6 when running balanced does something to the input to make it more spatially dense and atmospheric. You can go round and round as to whether it simply preserves something in the recording lost by other preamps or adds something-I believe it is the latter. 

Then again, I always thought the "straight wire with gain" is one of the most meaningless cliche's among the thousands in audio. Two preamps can be "straight wires with gain" and yet sound completely different, particularly if one if solid state and one is tubed. 

It's hard to argue with you here Smith. There is a little magic in the Ref 6.  To my ear the 5SE sounds better- but I like French Vanilla and you may like Rum Raisin. 

Alternatively, a Ref 5 or 6 are most like a straight wire compared to many- ie: a McIntosh which colors quite a lot. I like their house sound but it does indeed color densely. 

It’s nice to read about folks who owned the gear (from) back in the early days. I guess I’m getting up there- audio history is fascinating to me, and there is so much cool, offbeat equipment that is lost to time. I’m glad ARC is still around.

Special tip of the hat to @kisawyer2 for a great first post!

Another longtime ARC pre user here; the LS7 in my system has been its heart and soul since 1997(!). Never replaced a tube, and I turn it off only when I'm going to be gone from the house for more than a couple of days. I use a Classe CA-D200, a class D model they made a while ago (200WPC @ 8 ohms, 400 into 4 ohms). Love the combo with my ML ESLs (not Maggies, but they love power nonetheless).

@fsonicsmith

I always thought the "straight wire with gain" is one of the most meaningless cliche's among the thousands in audio. Two preamps can be "straight wires with gain" and yet sound completely different, particularly if one if solid state and one is tubed. 

This phrase was coined by Quad founder Peter Walker, who built valve and solid state amplifiers and separate pre-amplifiers, as well as electrostatic loudspeakers.

Far from a cliche, it was his design goal for power amplifiers.  On the other hand, his pre-amplifiers had multiple controls to allow the user to ameliorate playback of poor recordings, and were never "straight wires with gain".

He was incensed when a journalist suggested his valve designs sounded different from his solid state designs, and organised the best controlled comparison I have ever read about.  These is a topic here Audiogon Discussion Forum

Peter Walker (Quad) did a study comparing the sound of his own amps (Quad II and 303) tubes vs. transistors. He used RTR dubs of master tapes and presumably Quad ESL's. The two amps are well matched power-wise. It was a very thorough listening comparison using a written scoring system. He and his panelists could not distinguish between the two, until driven into clipping. It was a blind test - the amps were labeled A and B. The music chosen was various selections presumably from Decca and EMI masters. This is the most thorough test comparing tubes and SS that I am aware of! The listening panelists were recording professionals and musicians. Peter Walker's conclusion was that all well-designed amps operated below clipping will sound the same. I will point out that this was not your typical "get together in a basement with your buddies for a few hours swapping cables between two amps". It was a carefully planned and set up experiment (matched levels) - now forgotten and unaware of by today's hobbyists.

I cannot find the original paper, but three Quad models were involved (add the 405). The speakers were Yamaha, at the insistence of the journalist who later withdrew from the listening sessions - and audio journalism!  This listening panel comprised renowned British audiophiles and the tests were staged over two days.  Each blind test randomly compared two amplifier types (which could also be the same) and each panel member was asked to rate the sound quality the same, better or worse.  The results were statistically inconclusive for all panel members - nobody could reliably hear a real difference.  The amplifiers had much lower distortion than the speakers!