My Long List of Amplifiers and My Personal Review of Each!


So I have been in a long journey looking to find the best amplifiers for my martin logan montis. As you know, the match between an amplifier and speakers has to be a good "marriage" and needs to be blend exquisitely. Right now, I think I might have found the best sounding amplifier for martin logan. I have gone through approximately 34-36 amplifiers in the past 12 months. Some of these are:

Bryston ST, SST, SST2 series
NAD M25
PARASOUND HALO
PARASOUND CLASSIC
KRELL TAS
KRELL KAV 500
KRELL CHORUS
ROTEL RMB 1095
CLASSE CT 5300
CLASSE CA 2200
CLASSE CA 5200
MCINTOSH MC 205
CARY AUDIO CINEMA 7
OUTLAW AUDIO 755
LEXICON RX7
PASS LABS XA 30.8
BUTLER AUDIO 5150
ATI SIGNATURE SERIES 6005

With all that said, the amplifiers I mentioned above are the ones that in my opinion are worth mentioning. To make a long story short, there is NO 5 CHANNEL POWER AMP that sounds as good as a 3ch and 2ch amplifier combination. i have done both experiments and the truth is that YOU DO lose details and more channel separation,etc when you select a 5 channel power amplifier of any manufacturer.
My recollection of what each amp sounded like is as follows:

ATI SIGNATURE SERIES 6005 (great power and amazing soundstage. Very low noise floor, BUT this amplifiers NEEDS TO BE cranked up in order to fully enjoy it. If you like listening at low volume levels or somewhat moderate, you are wasting your time here. This amp won’t sound any different than many other brands out there at this volume. The bass is great, good highs although they are a bit bright for my taste)

NAD M25 (very smooth, powerful, but somewhat thin sounding as far as bass goes)
Bryston sst2(detailed, good soundstage, good power, but can be a little forward with certain speakers which could make them ear fatiguing at loud volumes)

Krell (fast sounding, nice bass attack, nice highs, but some detail does get lost with certain speakers)

rotel (good amp for the money, but too bright in my opinion)

cary audio (good sound overall, very musical, but it didn’t have enough oomph)

parasound halo (good detail, great bass, but it still holds back some background detail that i can hear in others)

lexicon (very laid back and smooth. huge power, but if you like more detail or crisper highs, this amp will disappoint you)

McIntosh mc205 (probably the worst multichannel amp given its price point. it was too thin sounding, had detail but lacked bass.

butler audio (good amplifier. very warm and smooth sweet sounding. i think for the money, this is a better amp than the parasound a51)

pass labs (very VERY musical with excellent bass control. You can listen to this for hours and hours without getting ear fatigue. however, it DOES NOT do well in home theater applications if all you have is a 2 channel set up for movies. The midrange gets somewhat "muddy" or very weak sounding that you find yourself trying to turn it up.

classe audio (best amplifier for multi channel applications. i simply COULDNT FIND a better multi channel amplifier PERIOD. IT has amazing smoothness, amazing power and good bass control although i would say krell has much better bass control)

Update: The reviews above were done in January 2015. Below is my newest update as of October 2016:



PS AUDIO BHK 300 MONOBLOCKS: Amazing amps. Tons of detail and really amazing midrange. the bass is amazing too, but the one thing i will say is that those of you with speakers efficiency of 87db and below you will not have all the "loudness" that you may want from time to time. These amps go into protection mode when using a speaker such as the Salon, but only at very loud levels. Maybe 97db and above. If you don’t listen to extreme crazy levels, these amps will please you in every way.

Plinius Odeon 7 channel amp: This is THE BEST multichannel amp i have ever owned. Far , but FAR SUPERIOR to any other multichannel amp i have owned. In my opinion it destroyed all of the multichannel amps i mentioned above and below. The Odeon is an amp that is in a different tier group and it is in a league of its own. Amazing bass, treble and it made my center channel sound more articulate than ever before. The voices where never scrambled with the action scenes. It just separated everything very nicely.

Theta Dreadnaught D: Good detailed amp. Looks very elegant, has a pleasant sound, but i found it a tad too bright for my taste. I thought it was also somewhat "thin" sounding lacking body to the music. could be that it is because it is class d?

Krell Duo 300: Good amp. Nice and detailed with enough power to handle most speakers out there. I found that it does have a very nice "3d" sound through my electrostatics. Nothing to fault here on this amp.
Mark Levinson 532H: Great 2 channel amp. Lots of detail, amazing midrange which is what Mark Levinson is known for. It sounds very holographic and will please those of you looking for more detail and a better midrange. As far as bass, it is there, but it is not going to give you the slam of a pass labs 350.5 or JC1s for example. It is great for those that appreciate classical music, instrumental, etc, but not those of you who love tons of deep bass.

 It is articulate sounding too
Krell 7200: Plenty of detail and enough power for most people. i found that my rear speakers contained more information after installed this amp. One thing that i hated is that you must use xlr cables with this amp or else you lose most of its sound performance when using RCA’s.

Krell 402e: Great amp. Very powerful and will handle any speaker you wish. Power is incredible and with great detail. That said, i didn’t get all the bass that most reviewers mentioned. I thought it was "ok" in regards to bass. It was there, but it didn’t slam me to my listening chair.

Bryston 4B3: Good amp with a complete sound. I think this amp is more laid back than the SST2 version. I think those of you who found the SST2 version of this amp a little too forward with your speakers will definitely benefit from this amp’s warmth. Bryston has gone towards the "warm" side in my opinion with their new SST3 series. As always, they are built like tanks. I wouldn’t call this amp tube-like, but rather closer to what the classe audio delta 2 series sound like which is on the warm side of things.

Parasound JC1s: Good powerful amps. Amazing low end punch (far superior bass than the 402e). This amp is the amp that i consider complete from top to bottom in regards to sound. Nothing is lacking other than perhaps a nicer chassis. Parasound needs to rework their external appearance when they introduce new amps. This amp would sell much more if it had a revised external appearance because the sound is a great bang for the money. It made my 800 Nautilus scream and slam. Again, amazing low end punch.

Simaudio W7: Good detailed amp. This amp reminds me a lot of the Mark Levinson 532h. Great detail and very articulate. I think this amp will go well with bookshelves that are ported in order to compensate for what it lacks when it comes to the bass. That doesn’t mean it has no bass, but when it is no Parasound JC1 either.
Pass labs 350.5: Wow, where do i begin? maybe my first time around with the xa30.8 wasn’t as special as it was with this monster 350.5. It is just SPECTACULAR sounding with my electrostatics. The bass was THE BEST BASS i have ever heard from ANY amp period. The only amp that comes close would be the jC1s. It made me check my settings to make sure the bass was not boosted and kept making my jaw drop each time i heard it. It totally destroyed the krell 402e in every regard. The krell sounded too "flat" when compared to this amp. This amp had amazing mirange with great detail up top. In my opinion, this amp is the best bang for the money. i loved this amp so much that i ended up buying the amp that follows below.

Pass labs 250.8: What can i say here. This is THE BEST STEREO AMP i have ever heard. This amp destroys all the amps i have listed above today to include the pass labs 350.5. It is a refined 350.5 amp. It has more 3d sound which is something the 350.5 lacked. It has a level of detail that i really have never experienced before and the bass was amazing as well. I really thought it was the most complete power amplifier i have ever heard HANDS DOWN. To me, this is a benchmark of an amplifier. This is the amp that others should be judged by. NOTHING is lacking and right now it is the #1 amplifier that i have ever owned.

My current amps are Mcintosh MC601s: i decided to give these 601s a try and they don’t disappoint. They have great detail, HUGE soundstage, MASSIVE power and great midrange/highs. The bass is great, but it is no pass labs 250.8 or 350.5. As far as looks, these are the best looking amps i have ever owned. No contest there. i gotta be honest with you all, i never bought mcintosh monos before because i wasn’t really "wowed" by the mc452, but it could have been also because at that time i was using a processor as a preamp which i no longer do. Today, i own the Mcintosh C1100 2 chassis tube preamp which sounds unbelievable. All the amps i just described above have been amps that i auditioned with the C1100 as a preamp. The MC601s sound great without a doubt, but i will say that if you are looking for THE BEST sound for the money, these would not be it. However, Mcintosh remains UNMATCHED when it comes to looks and also resale value. Every other amp above depreciates much faster than Mcintosh.

That said, my future purchase (when i can find a steal of a deal) will be the Pass labs 350.8. I am tempted to make a preliminary statement which is that i feel this amp could be THE BEST stereo amp under 30k dollars. Again, i will be able to say more and confirm once i own it. I hope this update can help you all in your buying decisions!


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Looking to try the new Dynaudio contour 60s this coming weekend vs my monitor audio platinum 300ii. It will be interesting for sure. 
That will be an interesting comparison. Both highly regarded. The new Dyn is getting some good press. 
i heard from a couple of credible sources that it is a good sounding speaker and i believe it is. That said, i also heard the new confidence line will be released at the end of the year and that has me really thinking. I may just wait and buy those instead.
So far, my set up is as follows:

Monitor Audio PL300ii
Monitor audio PLC350ii
Monitor audio GOLD FX rears
JL AUDIO GOTHAM
Pass Labs XS 150 Monos
Classe Audio CAM600 MONOS (BACK UP AMPS)
Mark Levinson no 52 Reference Preamp (for sale)
Classe Sigma SSP with Upgraded 4k board
EMOTIVA SA250 Amplifiers
Sony HAP Z1ES Network Player
Oppo 205 4K Bluray Player
Wireworld Eclipse 7 Cables throughout

My home theater experience has been elevated to new heights after doing a full monitor audio platinum set up. i am very shocked at how good this new generation is. Having owned the old platinum series, i can tell you that this new series is amazing to say the least. i still don’t understand why there is no love for it. It is a hard speaker to beat for the money. i prefer these platinums 300ii over the sonus olympicas 3s. It is not even a contest here.
i feel the only reason why many people buy sonus faber is because they are really good looking speakers. that is about it. 




What Monitor Audio RX model to you use for rears. How much better is the new PLC350 II compared to the series I?
Gold fx rears which is what the manual says to use. The series 2 as a whole is far superior than series one. I've owned series one and I liked them but not enough to keep. The series 2 blew me away. Very good and big soundstage. If I wasn't into trying stuff out, I'd be happy keeping these speakers for a long time. I think these platinums are the speaker to beat under 15k. Good finish and smooth sound. I really like what they are all about. 
I just purchased a pair of b&w 803d3s which are 17k. I will receive them in about a week and will break them in to see how they sound against these monitor audios. I still think they won't keep up with these platinums. 
What is the best amp pairing with the Monitor Audio series II speakers?  The Pass or the Classe?  Also, do you think these could be driven "as well" be amps that don't cost in excess of $10K?


For your HT use, what processor are you liking best?


jrunr,
I drive my Monitor Audio PL500 IIs with a Jeff Rowland 625 S2 amplifier and love it...my room is 20' x 26'. That being said, "I don't know, what I don't know", meaning I haven't compared Classe or Pass to my 625 S2, so I can't say I prefer it over either one of them.
As far driving the series II with amps below $10K...prior to the 625 S2 I used a Jeff Rowland Continuum S2 integrated amp, which list for $10K.
I have owned all sorts of processors. Bryston sp3, classs ssp800, marantz 8802, anthem avm60, anthen d2, McIntosh mx122, McIntosh mx160, McIntosh mx151, and currently have the classe sigma ssp. All are great processors but the McIntosh mx160 and bryston sp3 are above the rest. 
As far as amps for monitor audio, I love the smoothness from classe.l, mark Levinson and simaudio. Pass sounds good with it of course. I like what these speakers do for the money. The home theater experience is outstanding with them. The only thing I can say is that you need be careful matching amps with these speakers. They can sound shouty at loud volumes if you have bright amps lIke krell for example. I think smooth amps like rowland, classe and simaudio are perfect for these speakers and probably even a tad better than pass Labs. 
I had someone message me wanting to do an even trade with my xs150s and his Rowland 925s but I simply couldn't. Although Rowland is good for sure, anytime im dealing with this kind of equipment, I think of the time when I'll have part ways with it. I don't want to sit on it for a
year. Pass Labs will always have more traction than Rowland as far as selling on the used market. 
For now, the biggest bang for the $ in terms of speakers are these platinums. However, regardless of how much I love a component, I move on. I sold my Martin Logan renaissance speakers and I loved them. They destroyed anything else I've owned and yes they are the best speaker under 35k. 
Next week I'll be playing with some 803d3s which I didn't like when I first heard them about 4 months ago. That said, I have a better front end than the dealer had. I expect them to sing with these pass amps and preamp. 
I don't plan on selling the platinums unless something else sounds better to my ears. I highly doubt that it will be easy to find. 
  I agree with your thoughts on the Pass Labs x250.8.  I'm currently using this amp and will not change it out for anything.  I had an x250 some years back, but stupidly sold it trying to downsize.  Never should have tried that.  Getting back to Pass I went through Musical Fidelity (no oomph), McCormack DNA-1 which I liked a lot, but was still not where I wanted to be.  Got a set of Classe mono blocks that were again, good, but still not there.  Finally quit trying others when I knew what I wanted and got the x250.8.  I'm back to being happy again.
Excellent amp. Good choice. If one day you have the chance to hear the xs pass amps, make sure you bring your wallet because you won't want to leave without them. 
I already commented on the BHK 300 Mono blocks, (I’m a nyc dealer) but I wanted add something I feel is important.

I just had to opportunity to swap out the stock tubes for some NOS. This is a major benefit of the amp design that is not to be overlooked. (The stereo 250 also benefits equally from what I've read).


I’ve only had 2 hours of listening on the new tubes, so perhaps they are not fully broken in, but I’m hearing a significant improvement in several important aspects including tone, sweetness, clarity, freedom of imaging (I haven’t fully evaluated bass impact.

To my ear this amp highlights the best each technology (tube and SS) has to offer. I’ve never heard the TAD’S sound better.

Even if one can afford more expensive amps, I really think sonic improvement will come from putting the extra cash elsewhere in the system.
Just received an upgraded Plinius Odeon on a pallet today, and I will hook it up this weekend.  Looking forward to listening to it!

Special thanks to whitecamaross for this thread and for the PM's!

Dave
Whitecamaross, thanks for your reporting.  Can you offer your thoughts on the following:

1) I know you have commented on resale values of Ayre, but I would appreciate your thoughts on sound quality if you have an opportunity to hear the Twenty series.

2) Have you heard Magtech?

3) Can you describe the sound quality differences between your MartinLogan and Monitor Audio Loudspeakers?  Why did you trade the former for the latter?

Thanks, again.
Whitecamaross,

thanks a lot for all your input! I learn from reading your reviews.
I have a few questions that maybe you Can help me with:
- i have a set of B&W800 d2 and are seriously thinking about buying a pair of mc2301 like you had. I mainly listen to jazz and not at full power. Would they compliment each other cause i have not had a chance to hear the mc2301 yet. If so what preamp would you match it with? Did you have a chance to hear the C1100 c/t from Mcintosh? My sources are vinyl from Rega Rp10 and digital from a Lumin. 
and last, since im not parting with my B&W's cause i love them and the design (obviously my wife is of another opinion), what cables compliment Best B&W/Mcintosh?

thanks in advance
Zaks,
please report back here on this thread once you have fired up the Odeon. Please let it be on for about 30 min before you do critical listening. You'll finally see and hear why I said that's the Best multichannel amp hands down. 
As far as the 2301's with the 800d2s, yes they should have no issue driving them AS LONG AS YOU DON'T PLAN TO LISTEN AT LOUD LEVELS. The 800d2 is a very power hungry speaker so keep that in mind. 
As far as preamp, yes i have owned the c1100 preamp and it is indeed the best mcintosh preamp in my opinion. That said, the Mark Levinson no52 which i currently own demolished the c1100. I have said this many times that right now the best preamp i have heard was/is the Mark Levinson no52. The only reason why i have mine listed is because i want to try the Pass labs XS preamp. If the xs preamplifier does not do it for me then i will return back to the no52. 
when it comes to Ayre products, i have not had the chance to hear it because my connections do not carry it. Ayre tends to have decent resale value, but i do believe they are a bit overpriced. i heard great things about this brand, but no i have not had the chance to own it. 
i also have not heard Magtech amplifiers, but based on my findings they seem to be great for electrostatics. 
As some of you might know, i parted ways with my Martin logan Renaissance speakers and made a move to the monitor audio platinum series 2. i have a full monitor audio set up and i am happy to report that when it comes to home theater, i have not heard anything that can best it. It sounds so clean, crisp, clear and detailed that it is almost impossible to think that you can improve upon this. i have rotated different amplifiers with these speakers and they sound great regardless of what you throw at them. 
With that said, i am making my move to some b&w d3 speakers in the next coming weeks and will use my full classe audio amplifier set up so i might be selling my monitor audio set up. Remember, i make moves with my own gear in order to finance my next purchase which sometimes does not necessarily mean that it is an improvement. It is just my curiosity to try something that i was offered at a good deal. 
Ok, so i know many of you follow my thread here and i spent my entire saturday looking through some of the stuff that i need to sell.
You can check my listings and message me if you have any questions.
In addition to this, i also have a couple of items that i have not listed, but i am thinking of selling which include:

1. Classe Sigma SSP processor with upgraded 4k board. This is one good sounding processor that is superior to the CLASSE SSP800 that i owned. Very detailed, and with the upgraded 4k board plus Dolby Atmos on board, you are completely worry free.

2. Sonus Faber Olympica 1 Speakers in black gloss without boxes

3. REL S5 SHO home theater subwoofer in black gloss

4. Emotiva SA250 power amplifiers (3 of them) : Read my review on here about this amp. I keep saying that this is the best stereo amp to come out of Emotiva. I prefer it over the Parasound Halo A21. I have used it with my Mark Levinson no52 preamp and i was really impressed.


Again, if you got any questions about everything that i am selling, please message me. I know some of you that follow my thread have bought equipment from me so they can vouch for me. 
thanks guys !
ok guys, 2 out of 3 emotiva amps have been sold. Only one remains. as i stated above, they are one amazing bang for the $. i can't think of a better amplifier under one thousand dollars. 
Also, i may be listing my monitor audio platinum series 2 set up:
1. Monitor Audio Platinum Pl300ii 
2. Monitor Audio Platinum PlC350ii center
3. Matching monitor audio stand
4. Monitor Audio GOLD FX rears

i am still not 100% certain what i will do, but i am just putting it out there that i am right now contemplating the sale of these items and would prefer one person that can take everything as a package deal. 
I will say it again, as far as home theater is concerned, i have NOT HEARD anything REMOTELY CLOSE to this set up. Amazing is not even a word that accurately describes how good it is. Far superior than anything else i have owned (dynaudio confidence home theater, revel salon set up, etc). These speakers are outstanding and beyond better than the original series 1. This is just a complete new animal in many ways. 
whitecamaross-

Thanks! for the updates to your system.  I hope that you can find buyers so that you can move up the chain.

How do you like the Mark Levinson (ML) and Pass Labs (PL) combo?

Happy Listening!
I love the pass labs and mark Levinson combo. I feel the mark Levinson has better highs than many tube preamps out there. This is one magical unit with amazing smoothness and midrange. The only other pre amp that is making me curious is the xs preamp. Besides that, nothing strikes my curiosity. It's THAT GOOD !
Thanks! for sharing- whitecamaross

I have been waning to demo the ML No. 585 integrated amp.
Many positive reviews out there. Some are still using the one before it- No. 383.

Happy Listening!
i have heard that integrated and it is a great piece. It really is. 
Anyhow, i have finally sold my mark levinson no52 reference preamp so i am officially in the market for a preamp. 
My choices are pass labs & audio research (have never heard or owned it). 
i am also breaking in my 803d3's as of today. They sound a tiny bit bright right now, but i know they will mellow out a little as i keep breaking them in.
My monitor audio platinum set up is going to going up for sale so if you are interested in it, please message me. As i stated above, it is the best multi channel set up i have owned. Very coherent, very detailed, incredible to say the least. 

whitecamaross-


if you are considering Audio Research (ARC), look no further than the Ref5 SE model.  Keep me posted as you audition pre-amp(s).


Happy Listening!

interesting. i am thinking of trying an audio research preamp, but i also want to try another pass labs preamp. I am torn between both. That said, i was offered the Audio Research GSPre at a good deal, yet i don't know much about it and although it is beyond stunning, i am looking for a preamp with amazing bass and fullness. i am running b&w 803d3s and want to squeeze more bass out of them so i think buying a preamp that is known for great punch and dynamics would do the trick. 
A couple of updates:
803d3s: i fired these up yesterday and they have an enormous amount of detail. Incredible to say the least, but they do sound a bit lean in my room. That said, they are still breaking in so i hope the bass gets better.

Oppo 205: i watched a few movies with this player and i can’t really hear any sort of improvement when compared to my samsung 8500 4k player. It is VERY HARD to find any sort of change in sound when it comes to movies. I will say that if you are looking for a great 4k player, the oppo 203 is the way to go because i can almost guarantee that there is zero difference in terms of sound quality when it comes to movies between the 203 and the 205.
yes, you will read it has this dac and that dac and improved this and that, but can we actually EASILY detect an improvement in sound? that is the question and so far i am going to say HELL NO. However, unless this oppo 205 needs major break in time, i don’t see it being any better than any other 4k bluray player as far as sound. Again, i am using a great processor so maybe the processor is also doing alot of the work here and compensating the signal when it is coming from an average 4k bluray player.
Please note, my findings with this oppo 205 are without any break in time (not sure if there is any break in time needed with this unit or not yet and the manual says nothing about it). 

So many good components and speakers.  This my be my favorite on-going thread here on agon.


Whitecamaro, can you update your first post with all of the new stuff you've tested?  I think that first synopsis of everything is absolutely priceless!

thanks for the comments. I will try to update it after this long weekend ahead.
That said, i have listed my monitor audio Platinums!! This is the very first pair to hit audiogon so look hurry and take these!
I have shifted into b&w d3 for the time being to give these speakers a shot. With that said, here is my mini review on these Monitor audio Platinums Series 2:

1. HUGE IMPROVEMENT over series 1. Having owned the original platinums, i was not even prepared to hear how much more refined this new series is. It has a bigger soundstage and sounds very very electrostatic-like. Extremely smooth speaker.

2. MASSIVE BASS OUTPUT with a level of precision and speed that i haven’t heard before from any speaker under $15k.

3. The midrange is really something special with this speaker. The center channel is HANDS DOWN THE BEST center channel i have ever owned. It destroys the dynaudio confidence, Bryston tc1, paradigm c5, and the original platinum center. Again, this PLC350ii will make your neighbors hear the dialogue of your movies. Incredible width and spread that lets everyone hear every word spoken regardless of where they are seated.

4. This is in my opinion the best speaker under $15k. It destroys the sonus faber olympica 3, martin logan montis, golden ear triton 1s, Martin logan summit x, b&w 802 diamond, and YES i PREFER THIS SPEAKER OVER THE REVEL SALON 2 as well. I don’t think it has any competition under 15,000 dollars.

5. As far as home theater, these speakers are by far the best home theater experience i have had. Yes even better than the renaissance martin logan were for movies. They have such a huge dynamic swing that allows them to go from 0 to 100 mph in no time.
whitecamaross, thank you very much! Did you have chance to listen to kef reference 3? Really appreciate all your information. This has been the best thread for me!
i have not had a chance to listen to them.
That said, i had a chance to listen to my monitor audio platinums over this long weekend. i learned quite a few things in terms o musicality and smoothness.
Here is a few things that most people don’t really know. Speakers are no no different than tvs. What i mean by that is when you go to best buy and look at the televisions playing, you will notice that the displays that grab your attention are the ones with a lot of brightness and with a lot of saturated colors. That said, we all couldn’t handle a tv in our house with that much brightness and with the lights being off while we watch a movie. Our eyes would totally burn!
Speakers are no damn different. If you walk into a room and audition speakers that sound very detailed and almost bright, you will instantly be like omg they sound phenomenal and the truth couldn’t be farther than that. This brings me to the monitor audio platinums. i played with my 803d3s and the platinums and did back to back sessions. Of course within the first 15 min the 803d3s sound amazing and make the platinums sound dull and boring in comparison UNTIL you sit down in front of the platinums for an extended period of time and that is when it hits you. You realize that all the detail is there and that they give you ZERO ear fatigue at any volume level. That is when you realize how to truly appreciate a different type of speaker.
The bass slam with these platinums is some of the best I’ve heard. They make my 803d3s sound anemic in comparison.

In addition to this, i am happy to say that i also purchased a 350.8 pass labs amp. This is indeed an incredible amp with beautiful highs and attack. i can say that it is a really good match for b&w d3 speakers because it smoothes out the high frequencies on the speakers. I like the bass as well and the overall musicality that exists in this amp.
With all this said, i decided to do a A/B comparison with the xs150s and the 350.8 while i played with the speakers and the first thing that stood out to me were the highs... It was not even a close match in terms of the detail, smoothness, silkiness that the xs amps possess. It almost felt like someone was throwing a blanket on the speakers each time i connected the 350.8. The xs totally demolished the highs of the x350.8
As far as the midrange, i would say it was kinda close in many ways. I really couldn’t gauge it too well to really give an opinion.
When it comes to bass, again i think the fact that my 803d3s aren’t really known for bass makes it very tough for me to hear if indeed the bass is that much different between both amplifiers.
The one thing was the massive soundstage thrown by the xs amps, but it kinda sucks that you have to wait for about 2 hours before they really open up and sound big and bold. I don’t care what anyone says, these xs amps NEED A FEW HOURS to sound best, but once they hit their stride, it is lights out game over for every other amp i have owned.
COMING SOON: This amp has always been on my radar. I used the integrated before, but i wanted to bring a real amp to try and i believe it will be one of the most epic shootouts ever done by me. I am talking about the HEGEL H30 power amplifier. i am really looking forward to hearing this beast against the pass labs x350.8. I am going to NOT BE BIASED even though i love pass labs. i will try to be as objective as i can be and put it all out there. I expect that this h30 amp will be murdering the pass labs in regards to bass output and control. The question is how it will be when it comes to highs and mids?? that will be one fun thing to test out. Let’s see if i can bring this bad boy home and put it up against my x350.8!!

Much Thanks! for the report(s) - whitecamaross


you are really cranking (no pun) out the power amp reviews.

Feel free to give a shout out on your fave or local dealers/retailers.


Happy Listening!

My BEL 1001 (Brown Electronics Lab) sounds way better than any of the above amps. My speakers: Quad 57's - better than any of the above speakers! I have 50 years experience in this hobby and have seen many fads come and go! And I still prefer 2 channel over HT and LP over CD.
i still keep thinking this oppo 205 is a waste... so far, i am still not impressed. It is good, don't get me wrong, but it isn't a OMG improvement over my cheap samsung 4k bluray. I think the oppo 205 is a huge disappointment so far. Maybe they do a software update soon and that makes it come to life because folks i gotta be honest, this oppo 205 is no reference piece. It hasn't squashed my samsung 399 dollar 4k bluray and let's not even get into the conversation of it not having any apps which truly sucks. 
This has been a truly interesting thread to read.  I have a Raven Integrated Reflection MK2 tube amp that absolutely powers my Wilson Audio Duette 2's.  i am curious whitecamaross how are you able to able to afford your unbelievable collection of audiophile products?  I am jealous in a way.  In my case, at least right now, I am super happy with my system.  If i change I definitely will consider you for your hand me downs....lol.
@whitecamaross i have the Oppo Sonica which is the same DAC as the 205 but I have full blown Modwright tube mods and it is very good. I think Modwright really took advantage of the new DAC chip.
how am i able to afford? well, sometimes i wonder that myself lol.
That said, most people would never know what my first set up was about 8 years ago... you ready for this?

Polk Audio lsi bookshelf speakers
Onkyo receiver
Rotel rmb 1095 5 channel amp
sony bluray player
Epson 3020 projector

Yep... that is where my journey started and here i am 8 years later... That said, i told my wife when i first met her 5 years ago that what she saw in my room would go with me anywhere we moved and that she did not have any sort of input as far as what i could own or couldn’t own. Hell, i had to accept her cat living with us and i am allergic to pet hair!!
So long story short, she does not care. I have 3-5 amps on my living room floor at all times and she does not say anything. i married her and there is no drama there.
I do not know where or when this journey will end. I know that my hearing isn't 100% as it was before this journey started due to the fact that i have played with over 150 amplifiers and sometimes at volumes in excess of 100 decibels so i have a slight "ringing" on my right ear. Yes, i am probably going to be one of those old men that has to wear a hearing aid when i am in my 60s. 
A true fact is that many people do not know this but many DJ's are partially deaf due to the constant volume exposure. I guess it is part of this hobby

Your not allergic to Pet Hair. Its the DANDER...and all Dogs/Cats are different,..so you arent allergic to all of them...just some of them. Might want to do some homework on things other than Amps/Speakers!! LOL    Enjoy reading your journey.
Ok guys, i am sad to announce that my XS 150 amps will leave my home tomorrow. i have decided to part ways with them since i have enjoyed my time with them and i now look into other amplifiers that are of interest to me. 
That said, i have locked in a deal on a pair of Mark Levinson no536 reference mono blocks and i just purchased the Audio Research Reference 6 Preamplifier. This will be a very interesting combination since i know Mark Levinson is known for a gorgeous midrange and the Audio Research has some of the most beautiful highs ever. 
Let's see what happens! i am very sad deep down to be honest because the xs amps won a special place inside of me, but i can't get attached to any gear. I need to keep pushing through and continue this journey so i can also share with you of course. 
Whitecamaross, Interesting journey and amp/preamp combination.  Thanks for sharing.   The ARC Ref 6 is a great preamp but the question is how long will it stay in your system.  Mixing the sweetness of the Ref 6 with the powerful 536's should be a great combination and look forward to your report.  I have been living with Ref. 6 for the last year and know the virtues of the preamp. It combines the sweetness of tubes but with the detailing of solid state.  Let me know what you think of it.   Great that you have an understanding wife who allows you to explore some great components.  I am jealous.  We live vicariously through you.
whitecamaross (which is a nice car!), I own a pair of 536's and ML No. 523 preamp; I expect you'll be thoroughly delighted with your combination. I couldn't be happier with mine! I hear every detail and all the magic in the music.
I am looking forward to the no536 monos and my ref 6 preamp. I just had a gut feeling that they would go well together but we shall see. 
I always liked mark Levinson and had the 533h, 532h, 535h and loved the detail they had. The only tnin I thought they lacked was the oomph torque and punch but I expect these 536s to give me that in spades. 
Wth all that said, I had a chance to listen to the 350.8 and classe cam600s with my 803d3s and I just want to tell everyone that if you own b&w, classe amps are so perfect for them. As much as I love pass labs, I just don't find it a better match than classe is for b&w. Pass and Logans are an unbeatable match though 

Your instincts are correct: the 536s have oomph torque and punch in abundance as evidenced by how they drive my 800 D2’s. My favorite music is classic rock and roll, which will find horsepower limitations quickly. None exists with the ML 523/536’s.
interesting!! There is only one review i have came up on and they do say these amps kick like a mule. I am going to be doing a nice a/b comparison between the classe cam600s and 536 monos. I think this will be one hell of a comparison and the b&w speakers seem to really have synergy with both brands. 
Right now, if i were only thinking of going with these b&w speakers, i would have no more use for the pass labs x350.8. It sounds too close to the classe 600s when using b&w speakers. It is almost beyond difficult to tell a difference at low volumes, but once cranked up, the classe monos seems to sound way silkier and more comfortable to listen.  These classe amps seem to sound a bit too laid back with electrostatics and the pass labs do the opposite by sounding very detailed and holographic.  
This has been an excellent experiment for me in terms of system synergy. One additional thing i wanted to say is that the 803d3s do not seem to have much low end oomph, BUT i decided to buy a pair of REL subwoofers and use the special connection they have which allows you to connect them to the power amplifiers and wow. Incredible musical bass and authority. I sold my JL audio Gotham because i just couldn't believe how much musicality these REL subs have. That said, the jl audio gotham was far superior for movies, but it was very hard to dial it in with music. It just seemed to overload the room no matter what i did. The only way it didnt overload the room was if i turned it down, but at that point, why not just get a smaller sub if i have to be almost turning down all the volume of the gotham? 

It sure seems that bass is a common challenge for those seeking to dial in their system sound. I like to feel it in my chest, but that is hard to accomplish in the larger rooms I’ve always been relegated to by WAF. I admire that you’re putting in the effort to figure it out. I’m eager to hear your thoughts on the 536’s, when are you scheduled to receive them? Also, where did you find a Mark Levinson No. 536 review? Stereophile has said their July 2017 issue will contain a review of the No. 536.