Thanks Raul, I’m gradually getting a handle on the EA-10’s sound. First trials with Benz LP are very positive, but I will try different cartridges before applying the damping fluid. The amount of damping can be adjusted or even discarded, so it’s easily disregarded if there’s no improvement.
The rewiring of the armpipes is certainly the next step. I need a reliable technician to perform this job. Not just on the EA-10, but also on the Audiocraft and the MAX.
I think Dieter Brakemeier of Acoustical Systems (and former member dertonarm) used to be the expert most referred to here. But I don’t know if he still does this kind of work, being a fully fledged manufacturer and all.
Any other specialists in Germany or at least within the EU?
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Dear @edgewear : Very good tonearm and the damping issue will be defined by your listening tests like with the MAX one you own.
The damping oil is a must with the Audiocraft and for the MAX/Exclusive is up to the owner.
In my case I used with damping oil and tested from 10k cst to 50k cst and obviously with the quantity too. You have to try and decide about.
The internal rewiring on those vintage tonearms is a must to do it too, made it by a good professional source and te wire could be the one from Audio Note UK.
Enjoy it,
R.
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@dover thanks for that info.
The EA-10 came to me with EP-03 straight armpipe only. I would like to find the S-type armpipe as well, in order to make cart rolling more convenient and also to be able to use integrated headshell cartridges like SPU and FR7.
I know the S-type is much harder to find than the straight armpipes, but if any of you have a spare one lying about or know a reliable source, please let me know. Thanks!
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@edgewear
@downunder has been running a Pioneer P3/EA10 for some years. You might try to PM him. I found this on the web ..
Original Pioneer part is GEM1058, which is 200 000 cst. I use silicone oil from 20 000 to 50 000 cst
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Hi all, I would like to resurrect this thread from the good ‘old days as I recently acquired an EA-10 complete with dedicated AX-6G armbase to go on my Micro RX-1500. It’s the final instalment to a quartet of arms including Audio Craft AC-4400, Micro MAX-237 and FR-64S.
My question concerns the oil damping and is directed at folks who have personal experience with this tonearm. Maybe @thuchan @rauliruegas @syntax @dover if they are still around? Or anyone else perhaps?
Before I make an effort to find the correct damping fluid I’d like to know if this is worthwhile or perhaps even necessary to get the best performance from the EA-10. I’ve learned that the use of damping is not always clear cut. While it is mandatory with the AC-4400, I definitely prefer the MAX-237 without damping.
So what is your verdict on the EA-10: to be damped or not to be damped?
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Hi, Question: how do you open this end in order to rewire this pipe?
Thanks
salvo
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WTF? I started reading this thread and it wanders off into some bullshit crap that has nothing to do with the tonearm in question. Talk about thread crapping!!
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Dear @askye : Read the first page of this old thread where some gentlemans said that apparently the Pioneer tonearm was builded by MS that was the designer/manufacturer of the MAX 282 and they said that because in some ways looks more or less similar to the 282. In the other side you can read the OP opinion and from other very high knowledge owners of the MAX 282.
Even that I never had on hand the Pioneer tonearm you are asking for I think that if was designed by Micro Seiki they does not shared with the Exclusive tonearm the incredible and unique gyroscope type in the pivot tonearm bearing and this makes a difference for the better.
Other unique characteristic in the 282 is that's a tonearm balanced design where Micro Seiki created a mechanism for set up the VTF with out adding resonances that makes degradation to the cartridge signal. Things are that only the GST-801 and MAX 282, uses a non resonance mechanism where all the other balanced tonearm designs uses a spring to set up the VTF that rings as a bell degrading the cartidge signal this is the way how were designed the terrible FR/Ikeda tonearms an even the SME that I own but that I use in static way.
Now, Exclusive is the top Pioneer line and always a challenge for any audio product manufacturers.
In both cases, Exclusive and MAX 282, it’s a must that the tonearm will be rewired internally in those removable arm wands.
R.
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The price for Micro MAX series is insane nowadays, it is interesting to read totally different opinion on the same tonearms from different users, here is the one from @opus111 from the first page of this thread: having owed both Max 282 and 237 multiple times, I'd say it is one of the worst sounding tonearms I have heard. Bright and sterile would be the right words to describe the sonic character. I would've still kept them if they sounded half as good as they looked.
FR-64 sounds 10X better at lower used price.
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Dear @askye : It depends if the one you can buy comes with two arm wands: and S shape and straigth one where this is for high compliance cartridges as the ones you own it. The S shape can works too using low weigth headshells.
The best alternative is to find out the MAX 282 that comes with 3 arm wands: two straigth ones with different effective mass and one J shaped. I really like the MAX 282 that's a very well damped design.
Regards and enjoy the MUSIC NOT DISTORTIONS,
R. |
Grace and Victor should be fine. I have NOS styli for both of them if you need a backup. BUT If you want something special for this Pioneer tonearm then look for Pioneer PC-1000 mkII cartridge, it was the best MM cartridge from Pioneer ever. Very rare model. I like this cartridge very much. Beryllium cantilever. |
Greetings!
Considering purchase of Exclusive EA10 tonearm. Like to ask for opinions, preferably from those with actual experience, about synergy with my cartridges. Have a Grace F9 Ruby (non-Soundsmith), Technics EPC-405c, and a Victor X1II. Look forward to your insightful replies.
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Dear Raul,
I went from Monte Alban to Villahermosa, Tuxtla Gutlierrez and took a boat ride on the Canon de Sumidero, did not reach the lovely beaches of Oaxaca. Next was Palenque, all the way north to Merida, Uxmal and Puerto Morelos.
Huatulco`s Harbors is a now scheduled destination !!!
best & fun only - thuchan |
Btw, have you been in Huatulco's Harbors?
Raul. |
Dear Thucan. I'm refering to México " new " places to you.
Regards and enjoy the music,
Raul. |
Dear Thuchan: What I mean it was places in México that you don't know yet. Of course if the tonearm is ready you will see it.
Yes, the production will be in México, things are that Guillermo is owner of one of the more important " broker " CNC/Lasser and industrial machinary in our country so we take advantage on this welcomed fact.
We are thinking in a first 50 units production.
I was at Munich, Hamburg and Berlin airports ( in Hamburg for one night. ) but my wife and daugther were in Germany a few years ago when they made a tourist trip by 8 weeks in Europe.
Absolutely, it will be a pleasure to know and learn about your lovely country.
Regards and enjoy the music,
Raul. |
Dear Raul,
thanks for you offerings. Do you mean your new tonearm? Anyway whatever you have in mind it will be my pleasure.
BTW will you produce your tonearm in your country? how many do you plan for the first series? I think the Talea and the Reed 3Q are the most discussed new school arms at the moment. I will have a look at the Thales arm at next weeks High End in Munich. I know it is not a simple technology and difficult to manage but maybe there are some improvements.
Have you ever been in Munich? If not there might be no excuse for not coming in 2012?
best & fun only. -Thuchan |
Dear Nandric,
you are exceptional, not only because you have a wonderful humor but also due to your international background. You really made some experiences which promoted you into an intercultural guru status. Maybe 007 Connery will be a lame duck against your learnings and border crossings.
Nevertheless now is the time to find your next home, you still have some energy doing this? Or have you reached the Nirvana stadium Raul seems to have passed regarding music systems?
Anyway stay tuned. Did I say "my beloved Germany"? In fact getting older I see some more positive aspects with my countrymen as I thought there could be. BTW it is a changing society thanks to the international influences. I am sometimes puzzled when some "northern tribes" call us Eurabia... wonderful and maybe wrong cause this is only one influence among many.
Now I have to stop, being the younger twin brother I have to listen to the Holy Grail now...
best & fun only -Thuchan |
Dear In_shore: Welcome any time again, I'm your " tourist guide " and of course with time for audio fun.
Regards and enjoy the music,
Raul. |
Dear Thuchan: Good. México ( as many other countries. ) is a land full of history and culture traditions at each single district/region ( as you name it. We name it: State. ). In some way is like a kaleidoscope where any one ( including the Mexican. ) discover magnificent " things/experiences ".
Well, next time you will be here I can show you " new old stock " México " items ".
Regards and enjoy the music,
Raul. |
Dear Thuchan, As a world citizen you are in some sense
'everywhere' but I had no idea that this also apply to all of our threads. So I missed Rauls invitation in the other thread in which one can get lost btw. My excuse for describing you as someone who invites himself to 'the party'. But I assume that you are welcome everywhere ,not to mention your looks as the younger twin brother, so the question about 'invitation' become a trivial formality.
But instead of some strong German protest I got even an
compliment as belongig to 'exceptional members'. What an
magnanimous person you are. However I am not sure about the
real meaning of 'your beloved Germany'. Well dear Thuchan
I may be 'exceptional' but in some other sense. You see I
have three 'mother countrys': Serbia is my birth mother,
Germany is my intellectual mother and Holland is my existential mother. In all of them I feel at home and I have no specific preference.
Regards,
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Raul
The last time we were in Mexico was several years ago my wife and I have an interest in archaeology ,on a tourist level that is. Also we have vacationed at the usual hot spots in Mexico.
Colourful culture,down to earth friendly people, lot.s of live music and great food everywhere! |
Dear Raul,
I went to Mexico in 2006, staying one week at friends in Mexico city and then I went on a four week trip discovering most of the areas of the country by car. I went also by plane hopping into the eastern districts again renting a car. I have nearly only good memories even of "the dark areas". I loved the ancient sites ("all discovered by me" :-) and the highlands very much, the beaches in the east where I met some people from the US being transported with big ships into "their resorts". Funny business.
I think I shot over 3000 images cause I loved the colours which I happened to be confronted with, in architecture, markets, people...
A good Mezcal is always welcomed and of course...
Best & Fun Only - Thuchan |
Need to mention that I was in México twice in the mid-1990ies. Both visits were a 1 week stay in México city with the then CEO of BMW-México. So I was in an all-guarded area and saw little more of the mega-city than what was possible through the shaded windows of the limousine and the large garden view.
Back then there were some present danger of kidnapping for ransom (not me ...) in the streets of México's capital.
Still an impressive city.
Not my cup of tea - nothing beyond personal preferences, as I am more a child of the clear, wide north (more blondes there ....;^).....).
Cheers,
D. |
Dear Dertonarm, dear Nandric - focusing on one's exclusive taste is not such a bad thing at all. I am more focused to South East Asia and Latin America in this special field but i get the impression all active participants here have a kind of taste - in many ways.
You also decide to go for special TTs or tonearm models, not for all models on this planet. But if we had a contest of TT Universe etc. it might be easier to decide for the best (!) and also having a wonderful feeling
I was invited by Raul in another thread Nandric, the MM thread. Anyway as the likelihood of visiting each other seems somehow vague - i don't have strong signals or planning schedules forwarded to me at the time
being - we still have time selecting more exceptional members for the visisting crews. Did you make up your mind Nandric, Mecico or your beloved Germany? |
Dear Isochronism, I think blondes will never ever get out of being en vogue - at least not as long as there are real conaisseurs among men. So the competition may not be high in number, but fierce in quality !! However - I for one are no longer in the race. I found my blonde "treasure" 15 years ago.
Cheers,
D. |
Dear Thuchan: All of you are welcome. No drugs only good Mezcal and maybe a " touch " of Miss Universe.
Btw, In_shore and Thuchan: seems to me that both of you already been in México. When and where " meet my country?
Regards and enjoy the music,
Raul. |
Dear Nikola, just 3/4 of the girls world-wide?
Unfortunately the percentage of blondes is much much worse ..... and then a man must stand to his passion !!
You just can't please all the people (girls ...) all the time.
Or: so many opportunities - so little time ...
Cheers,
D. |
Blonds are no longer in vogue? I will have to add them to my chase list:) Less competition, broadens my chances:) |
Dear Daniel, This is your first (serious) lapsus that I know of. It is not gentlemanlike to disappoint 3/4 of the girls world-wide. I share your inclination but I can assure you that pretendig is not some kind of art.
Regards, |
Dear In_shore, dear Thuchan, too bad that I am attracted by blonde european/caucasian girls only ..;-) .... but then I never was part of the "mainstream" nor the latest fashion. Guess I just have way too many "old european" blood running through my veins.
Cheers,
D. |
A stroke of a genius, alias Thuchan Connery the late (a very complicated delivery). His way out : he invited himself to Mexico while I thought all the time that we are
talking about his invitation of Raul to Bavaria. Or am I missing something? Daniel what is the price of Chateau Petrus in Germany?
'Raul,WE are coming!' I can hardly believe that he means
Dertonarm or ,even worst, Syntax?
BTW my being 1/2 of an German in philosophical sense is easy to explain. I immensly admire Frege but also immensly hate Hegel. So I have nothing whatsoever to do with this Hegelian 'part'of Germany.
Regards, |
In_Shore,
agree! the country is beautiful. I also liked the colours especially in new architecture. Okay we need to get spoiled by Raul's hospitality very soon and hopefully he will introduce us to Miss Universe.
It seems that Nandric, you and me share the family origins of james 007.
Now I realize why we are so successful with women...
Hey Nandric - i thought you are half German, at least philosphically.
Raul, we are coming! But no drugs other than good music...
Best & Fun Only -Thuchan |
Thuchan
You are right about Mexican Spanish beauties as a matter of fact I am 100 % confident if a visit to Raul's region of Mexico your neck would cramp at all the site's.
I am also confident Raul would treat you to regional culinary delights you never had the pleasure of.
Very down to earth kind people with hospitality second to none, Beautiful country and beaches though heart breaking with the drug wars.
Nandric
Sean Connery's double is taken ,only difference I still have all my hair. This is not a joke. Since I was a young man many women have compliment me with the comparison in more way's then one if you know what I mean.
Dertoarm
A Chinease chef in Heaven? maybe, but I hope bird's nest soup and live monkey brain's isn't every Friday's special with left overs for Saturday's brunch. |
Dear Thuchan: M'exico is a a wide and always open door to all over the world visitors.
IMHO the word GIRLS is full of " universality ", don't you think? but yes Mexican a re lovely ones, as you know the 2011 Miss Universe title was won by one of our Mexican girls.
Regards and enjoy the music,
raul. |
Dear Raul, Regarding the girls. You will need to compete
with 'a mixure of George Glooney and Pierce Bronsan' +
the twin brother of Shon Connery who is actualy 30 years
younger. As a kind of compensation I can only think about,say, 12 bottles of Chateau Petrus. BTW this is my second warning against those Germans.
Regards, |
Dear all,
I just arrived at the Petersberg in Bonn, where the freedom conference about Afghanistan took place. As it looks very much like freedom and consensus - at least in this thread and obviously not comforting Nandric very much ( I learned he derives from a tribe of warriors :-) - I may only state about what is missing.
Everything is said about food, drinks, wine, police, cooks and engineers, nothing is said about girls. Here it is where Raul may win the game. From my memory I regard the Mexican girls (the young ones, not being spoiled by food too much) as the most beautiful. Maybe the term best will again not meet everyone's taste and there are other nations competing for the crown. I do think it is worth to visit Raul's region on that topic too. Am I right?
Best & Fun Only - Thuchan |
Dear Logenn, not really ....;^) .....
Cheers,
D. |
Daniel- this is a good combination. We were concerned there might be a little Lou Reed or David Bowie in there (hee hee).
L |
Dear Daniel, 'is there a need for consensus?' In my case
only regarding all of my components. Otherwise I begin to
doubt with the consequence that only much more expensive
subsitute seem to come in consideration. But I am allowed,
I hope, to exploit the lack of any consensus between two
important members in our forum. I was in particular proud
of my 'windmills' and 'a red rag' but alas...
Regards, |
Dear Nandric, is there actually a need for consensus?
Consensus according to some (in fact: to many people today ...) means to agree to their point of view. If one can't agree (for whatever reason - subjective, technical, cultural background, education, taste, history, social disposition), then consensus is out of reach. But I do not see this being a problem at all. Disagreement is all over the world and audio - no problem.
Here on an online audio forum egomaniac disputes and struggles between dominant males/top dogs are as common as they are in the woods, investment banking and on the soccer field ...;-) .....
Best,
D. |
In-shore, This saying is invented by the Dutch but I am
still thinking about the Mexican one reg. the 'discomfort in the stomach'. I still have no clue.
Regards, |
Dear in_shore, fully agree ...;^).... If however we must give credits to Chinese cuisine in Heaven.
Cheers,
D. |
Dear In_shore: Great!! jaja ja.
Regards and enjoy the music,
Raul. |
Raul there is a saying I picked up long ago it goes like this:
Heaven is French gourmet chefs, British bobbies and German machinist's.
Hell is British cook's, German police and French machinist's. |
Dear Nandric: Well, maybe I'm not to " diplomat " as you said it. We have german restaurants but not the one named, in the other side I'm ignorant if exist red wines at the level of those Chateus or a Chateu Laroque but if there are then it will be a pleasure to have a taste meeting aditional the audio reunion.
I really like " food ", eating is one of the few pleasures we have on earth that we can enjoy and I appreciate it enormeous. I'm universal on food-taste but I love the French gourmet one along his wines and especialy the top ones red or white ( including Grand Cru Champagnes. ).
Btw, and now that you " give up ", here in México people said:
" even that you did not eaten you feel a " discomfort in the stomach " "
I know that Thuchan will comes with a " nice " answer.
Regards and enjoy the music,
Raul. |
Dear Daniel, I somehow expected such a 'lesson' but I am used to learn from you. However my hope that you and Raul
will reach some consensus about enything is totaly crushed.
And this 'wine fight' is not even about (windmills) of the tonearm geometry, not to mention FR 64/66 'red rag'.
I give up but still hope that perhaps Halcro can do better.
Regards, |
Dear Nandric, yes indeed, you need to taste the "Parker-hyped" Chateau Pétrus once.
It will be a teaching example what promotional hype means in today's world. It is not bad - not at all, if you get a good vintage - but totally over-priced as a result of the rush Parker initiated with his bold statement more than 2 decades back. It certainly is one of the best from Pomerol. But if you do not share Parker jr. very specific taste and expectations in wine, you won't be positively surprised at all.
However - you'll never hear the statement "best wine" (generally spoken) from someone "into" wine at all. Way too many areas - way too many different tastes, way too many differences in vintages (taste a 1973 Pétrus - awful to say the least ...) to put any meaning into such a statement.
It is a nice example how "price equals quality equals status" is manifested in so many peoples mind in the western hemisphere.
Some people just need a "best" to put some meaning into things and to stabilize their world.
Cheers,
D. |
Dear Raul, You are obviously not suitable for corps diplomatique: 'we don't have German restaurant' in Mexico.
This dear Raul is not even an implicit offense of the
German art of cooking. But you know they also believe that
they produce some really good wines. Besides they only pretend to respect the Frenchman. However I am sure that
thy are aware of the prices of: Chateu Margaux, Laffite and they can of course quess that Chateu Petrus is
not cheaper. Ever heard about an German as 'big spender'?
I am curious how Thuchan will wriggle himself out of the
situation which he himself caused. What a pity for Dertonarm and you.
I am sure that you would agree about Chateu Petrus.
Regards,
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Sorry: when I be there.
R. |
