Micro Max 282 vs. Exclusive EA-10


I have mounted an Exclusive EA-10 on my Micro (I added a pic to my system), one of the most expensive Japanese tonearms, maybe a little underrated. The tonearm and the tubes are re-wired by Ikeda silver wire. The EA-10 reminds me very much of the Max 282, most properly it was built by Micro Seiki. Does anybody know if this is true?
thuchan

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T-Bone,
it seems to me the EA-10 tonearm is such rare as the wonderful Exclusive P10 TT is you are owning. Maybe because everything of the fantastic built technology this TT as well as the tonearm provides is covered by the plinth, so everyone was thinking this is just a standard Japanese direct drive table of the late 70ties, 80ties.

When Micro showed up with its big machines and the Max 237 (It was my first tonearm on the 8000, I sold it because the wiring was old copper 10 years ago and I went for newer designs- what a misleading error) this mark was buried in oblivion.

And to be honest - Pioneer was not an exclusive mark (of course it´s high end branch was - what a name game)to most audiophiles and is not in the high end analogue field anymore to my knowledge.

The EA-10 I am using on my Micro is rewired with Ikeda silver wire. It was not easy to find a bases for the Micro with such a big hole to carry the EA-10 massive block. The bases was built in Osaka in may this year.

Now this is my impresion with the Miyabi standard: Despite the silver is new and needs some time to be run in (I hear a little bright but rich sound) the overall picture is very stable, precise and with a deep soundstage. The EA-10 is one of my best old-design arms.
Downunder, yes the silver improved substantially. I did it also with my Max 282. It is absolutely worth to do it. You then will have one of the top arms.
Fun Only - Thuchan
Opus 111,
i wonder a little about your assessment of the Max. I do remember when having owned a 237 some fifteen years ago and when i compared it with a modern arm it lacked some transparence and push. Neverheless it provided a good soundstage. I sold it due to changing my system. I always thought how might it have sounded with a good internal wiring.

When I was offered the EA-10 - and it reminded me of the Max by good reasons - the silver-rewiring had very good results. So I started the next project with the Max 282. Gosh - what a difference, and what kind of
improvement. Of course some time had passed since the "old assessments".

You need to hear a rewired Max and you will change your opinion at the same moment I am sure. Try it!

Best & Fun Only - Thuchan
Dear Lewm,
you are so right but I do no believe that we will see the day of a peace treaty between Dertonarm and Raul. I do remember that many threads were closed when the fun was gone. If we arrive at the good habit not bashing people and using more generalization this could mean a step forward. And please no repetitions and pressure habits anymore. It is so boring...

best & fun only - Thuchan
I just got returned a fully rewired Micro Tube XP-282. The Ikeda silver wire - even if some people believe it should be a Hongkong replica ( the results speak a different language) is such a huge improvement that I sometimes regret what users are missing driving their Micro and SAEC tonearms with the original copper litz.

best & fun only - Thuchan
Logenn, welcome to the fascinating world of Nihon`s best turntable manufacturer ever! Also the Coralstone is a wonderful cartridge and your Max is a perfect match.
Regarding the silver cables: It is nearly not possible to get Kondo silver litz for tonearm rewiring, the same with Crystal Cable. Both are excellent cables. In case of the Kondo it is very difficult to work with them cause every single filament is covered with thin plastic you have to unsolder. Usually it should be done by Kondo themselves or by some special dealers having the Kondo machine.

After rewiring you should also use silver wires in your headshell (Ikeda maybe). My best experience was with a SAEC 506/30 which was rewired from the cart`s pins (headshell) to the SUT (1,2 meters). No interfaces at all.

Enjoy this world. It is different!!! glad having you on board.

best & fun only - Thuchan
Hi Ddriveman,

I give all my arms for rewiring to Dertonarm, it`s not cheap but you can trust the quality for years. I always go for new DIN-connectors, the old ones you may send to the moon. Some guys use them again due to "vintage& original design". They never anticipate you open up the arm again...

best & fun only - Thuchan
Dear Raul,

I made an comparison between the Audio Note Silver litz and the Ikeda Silver in my SAEC WE 8000 by accident. The arm was rewired with Audio Note Silver wire and sounded very good. Nevertheless I had a contact problem with the DIN connector and being in repair the arm was completly rewired with Ikeda Silver litz. Raul you may not believe me - and maybe you did have another Ikeda litz at the time - but the Ikeda is still an improvement, warmer and even more brilliant.

best & fun only. - Thuchan
Dear Raul,
maybe I am not very precisely listing all the words which are neccessary to describe the sound the Ikeda silver wire produces. It also depends on the units we are using - so it is always related to the instruments (audio reproduction machines, chain, combinations) used and the people behind them (we, you and me). I don't think we should believe that we are able to produce test results on a scientific bases between our systems.

When I say warm I mean not the typical cool sound "bad silver" may generate. Neutral in terms of cables is in my VHAFMMDO not a condition
I like to have. All these 2 Dollar cables sound to me very neutral - they don't sound but other people still believe it makes not a difference - okay.
Let them end up with neutral emotions - not me. Okay when you mean a cable should not alter the sound to the bad side than this is somehing different and I guess it is that what you mean.

Regarding tonearm inner cables I prefer a very precise, open and wide
expression - this is for me brilliance and I would never use a tonearm cable which is not able to transport these qualities. Hope you can get along with my remarks.
Dear Nandric,
repetition is the mother of all forces. Telling you the third time that you are not my love baby should discourage you pleading all the time you still want to become my love baby. This is a bit like kindergarden but we are sometimes acting & reacting in this way - with our beloved toys in the play box.

I always feel sorry when Audigoners are too much driven by a strong belief making all friends catholics meaningly trying to convince them that there is only one direction to go...

best & fun only - Thuchan
Dear Nandric, Dear T_Bone
answering it was not my intention to adress you personally as my love baby... of course... :-) It's only a role play I was trying to show. people who tend to repetition do not find the relaxing mode, they are running like a record, in circles, with the difference that the needle goes forward, - they do not.

best & fun only - Thuchan
No Nandric, the twin brother of Shaun Connery is me. I know it. and it says that Dertonarm has some Mexican blood running in his sensitve vains...

best & fun only - Thuchan
Dear Halcro, Dear Nandric,

you are right we have a lot of regulations over here (in all parts of Germany) but a wonderful landscape in Bavaria, excellent Weissbeer and as I think the best beergardens along the Danube river. No crocodiles coming on land when the rivers are flooded. And the weather is friendly to Bavarias' inhabiants which have somehow a very funny language - sorry I was not born here too.

You will also like the traditional music if you are living here for a while :-)

best & fun only - Thuchan
Dear T_Bone, Dear Halcro - for each of you one Weissbeer is waiting over here...

Hey Henry you speak Bavarian language? This is why you understand Bavarian Voice I suppose...

Of course we know Bad Woerishofen. I live near another Bad... at the banks of the Danube river where it`s waters run into a medieval city still completely in good order and recently being promoted to UNESCO world heritage...

I am younger...

best & fun only - Thuchan
Dear Raul, we may also offer wine because it's usually a very sunny region along the steep Danube river banks. But regarding wine there are more famous regions along the Rhein/Main/Mosel area.
If you are not drinking beer and not eating pig knuckles you may miss the region's specialities. Do you have a Hofbräuhaus in Mexico city? if yes you may run a test before deciding going for this adventure. :-)

best & fun only - Thuchan
Dear all,
why are you not coming and listening to the best in Bavaria !!! maybe the very best...

at least next week at Munich High End Show :-)

... and maybe from Korea

best & fun only - Thuchan

P.S. I will make reservations and bookings for Kirschplätze with Weissbeer...
Okay T_Bone, I see I am dealing with connosieurs knowing what they are talking about. Of course your choice is better than Cakies & Weissbeer. This is definitely a better matching combination. So we will go for "Spätzle". Regarding combinations on which one of the turntables among my modest collection Raul will mount his new tonearm? Do i need some preparations? Pls let me know in advance.

As every year we will share the duties. Dertonearm will be responsible for the Spätzle, me for the Weissbeer, Raul for the tonearm and Halcro as well as T_Bone for the judgements. Is Nandric joining or will he not move to Bavaria???

Best & Fun Only - Thuchan
Dear all,
I just arrived at the Petersberg in Bonn, where the freedom conference about Afghanistan took place. As it looks very much like freedom and consensus - at least in this thread and obviously not comforting Nandric very much ( I learned he derives from a tribe of warriors :-) - I may only state about what is missing.

Everything is said about food, drinks, wine, police, cooks and engineers, nothing is said about girls. Here it is where Raul may win the game. From my memory I regard the Mexican girls (the young ones, not being spoiled by food too much) as the most beautiful. Maybe the term best will again not meet everyone's taste and there are other nations competing for the crown. I do think it is worth to visit Raul's region on that topic too. Am I right?

Best & Fun Only - Thuchan
In_Shore,

agree! the country is beautiful. I also liked the colours especially in new architecture. Okay we need to get spoiled by Raul's hospitality very soon and hopefully he will introduce us to Miss Universe.

It seems that Nandric, you and me share the family origins of james 007.
Now I realize why we are so successful with women...

Hey Nandric - i thought you are half German, at least philosphically.

Raul, we are coming! But no drugs other than good music...

Best & Fun Only -Thuchan
Dear Dertonarm, dear Nandric - focusing on one's exclusive taste is not such a bad thing at all. I am more focused to South East Asia and Latin America in this special field but i get the impression all active participants here have a kind of taste - in many ways.

You also decide to go for special TTs or tonearm models, not for all models on this planet. But if we had a contest of TT Universe etc. it might be easier to decide for the best (!) and also having a wonderful feeling

I was invited by Raul in another thread Nandric, the MM thread. Anyway as the likelihood of visiting each other seems somehow vague - i don't have strong signals or planning schedules forwarded to me at the time
being - we still have time selecting more exceptional members for the visisting crews. Did you make up your mind Nandric, Mecico or your beloved Germany?
Dear Raul,

I went to Mexico in 2006, staying one week at friends in Mexico city and then I went on a four week trip discovering most of the areas of the country by car. I went also by plane hopping into the eastern districts again renting a car. I have nearly only good memories even of "the dark areas". I loved the ancient sites ("all discovered by me" :-) and the highlands very much, the beaches in the east where I met some people from the US being transported with big ships into "their resorts". Funny business.

I think I shot over 3000 images cause I loved the colours which I happened to be confronted with, in architecture, markets, people...

A good Mezcal is always welcomed and of course...

Best & Fun Only - Thuchan
Dear Nandric,
you are exceptional, not only because you have a wonderful humor but also due to your international background. You really made some experiences which promoted you into an intercultural guru status. Maybe 007 Connery will be a lame duck against your learnings and border crossings.

Nevertheless now is the time to find your next home, you still have some energy doing this? Or have you reached the Nirvana stadium Raul seems to have passed regarding music systems?

Anyway stay tuned. Did I say "my beloved Germany"? In fact getting older I see some more positive aspects with my countrymen as I thought there could be. BTW it is a changing society thanks to the international influences. I am sometimes puzzled when some "northern tribes" call us Eurabia... wonderful and maybe wrong cause this is only one influence among many.

Now I have to stop, being the younger twin brother I have to listen to the Holy Grail now...

best & fun only -Thuchan
Dear Raul,

thanks for you offerings. Do you mean your new tonearm? Anyway whatever you have in mind it will be my pleasure.

BTW will you produce your tonearm in your country? how many do you plan for the first series? I think the Talea and the Reed 3Q are the most discussed new school arms at the moment. I will have a look at the Thales arm at next weeks High End in Munich. I know it is not a simple technology and difficult to manage but maybe there are some improvements.

Have you ever been in Munich? If not there might be no excuse for not coming in 2012?

best & fun only. -Thuchan
Dear Raul,

I went from Monte Alban to Villahermosa, Tuxtla Gutlierrez and took a boat ride on the Canon de Sumidero, did not reach the lovely beaches of Oaxaca. Next was Palenque, all the way north to Merida, Uxmal and Puerto Morelos.

Huatulco`s Harbors is a now scheduled destination !!!

best & fun only - thuchan