Machina Dynamica

That's gotta be the biggest touche in the Gon's history, Dudes!

Geoff,I cant argue with your logic.I believe a lot of great things have been
realized because of the belief that,anything is possible.And we are all entitled to
our beliefs.

Geoff is a genius. If I could live with myself, I would do the same thing. He simply has cashed in on something that people obviously want. (some people) I really don't see the need to bash him. I don't believe in what he sells, but, a perceived improvement might give some people what they can't find otherwise. To them, its just as real.

Geoffkait,
Have you ever tried daisy-chaining? Beats your low tech/high concept pretzels and springs. Guaranteed. Or your money back. Costs a bit more than $24 or $69, though.

Keep talking Geoffkait -- very impressive. We're getting a real education here. Springs, pebbles, pretzels and flying saucers. Low is high -- a great concept.

You know, that's why I like the forums. They give the opportunity to struggling vendors with great ideas to get ahead with some free advertising. You might eventually want to think about going into politics. You got what it takes. Low is high, high is low, take your pick, and if you don't like them apples I have some oranges over here ...

Csontos,
You just forget who the pretzel man is. No problem.

Csontos,
I get it now. You're the forum historian who also keeps track of touches. Great. Can you give us a run-down of the 10 best touches in the past 24 months? Can you make this vendor vs. customer as well as customer vs. vendor -- for easy reference? Yeahhhh. Do you also keep a list vendors -- on a 1 to 10 scale for credibility? If so, can you do a sort for us and let us know how things are looking there, too? Whoooeee!! This is gonna be fun!! I'm so glad we have someone who is dedicating their time to providing us with this valuable information. It makes reading the forums so much more meaningful -- as well as a fun time!!

Csontos,
I didn't want to debate the value of written history.
also, I am impressed by your ability to detirmine personality via a few audio posts.

Again, people often ridicule what they don't understand
or
what goes against "conventional" wisdom
That is the ONLY point I am trying to make.

" If I could live with myself, I would do the same thing.... I really don't see the need to bash him. "

Interesting.

I suppose it all boils down to what one can live with or not.

I try to resist the urge to "bash" in that I believe two wrongs do not make a right. Obviously, I am not always successful when it comes to MD/Geoff. Something there brings out my dark side I suppose. At least GEoff seems to have a sense of humor, so that helps.

I once compared his products and business (favorably) to cigarettes in that no physical harm results. At least there is none known. Although some unexpected things often do happen when science fiction is involved now, don't they? If that bothers you, just stick to the "low tech" stuff I suppose. Personally, invisible forces that affect sound makes me a little nervous.....

"Again, people often ridicule what they don't understand
or
what goes against "conventional" wisdom"

No doubt.

The thing is there are a lot of highly educated and smart people including many engineers and other technically adept people on this site and in this hobby, so its not like you are dealing with uneducated people here that do not understand technology, for the most part. An open mind towards what might be possible goes along with that. So in all fairness, the "they don't understand" argument can only go so far here. One has to accept that some things fall into the realm that can only be designated as "nonsense". The burden lies on the purveyor of nonsense to make people understand why what they propose is not nonsense, not on others to accept nonsense as something other than what it is. The response to nonsense is often not a positive one. Nor should it be I would think.

A lot of (good) science fiction is able to get people to envision how things that would not seem possible or appear to be nonsense might in fact be possible. Bad science fiction tends to be less successful at achieving the suspension of disbelief or leap of faith needed. Bad science fiction might still be regarded as good fantasy though.

My opinion of MD is that it is bad science fiction, but maybe good fantasy. Its more in the "Lost IN Space" camp than "Star Trek". No monsters in rubber suits quite yet though!

Mapman,
You stated:

"One has to accept that some things fall into the realm that can only be designated as "nonsense". The burden lies on the purveyor of nonsense to make people understand why what they propose is not nonsense, not on others to accept nonsense as something other than what it is. The response to nonsense is often not a positive one. Nor should it be I would think."

What you seem to be saying is that low = high concept is nonsense. If so, you are making a good point here. It is like suspension of disbelief. Purveyors of nonsense tell us if we just suspend disbelief, if we just keep an open mind, then everything is possible. Up can be down and down can be up and low can be high and high can be low. And anything is what they say it is because they say so -- and go prove them wrong. Thus, some vendors are allowed to use the forums to attract all the attention they want. Negative or positive -- half sense/half nonsense -- it doesn't matter. It all ads up to free advertising.

So, when a vendor pulls a smoke-screen, making comments on the system of a private audiophile to distract attention from his commercial agenda, it should be noted that this is not a private audiophile exchanging opinions with another private audiophile on audio matters. This has nothing whatsoever to do with audio matters. It is all about how a vendor uses the forum to promote his commercial interests.

I can think of only one vendor who relies on nonsense to promote his products on the forum. Most vendors have some degree of integrity. Many are beyond reproach. But a few just don't care, one way of the other, as long as they are talked about and maintain a profile. From reading this thread, I don't think Geoffkait gives a hoot as long as he attracts some kind of attention. Any attention will do. I am sure his protestations about integrity will follow with the usual convoluted prose. Don't forget to keep your nonsense meter tuned to this frequency.

Integrity....there's an interesting concept!

Sabai, it appears that's the second time you've gotten it. Looks like I can start clicking my fingers a little faster. Or shall I not waste my energy?

Csontos,
"Gotten" what? I don't see what I am supposed to have "gotten". I have no idea what you are referring to -- or about clicking fingers or about your energy. Is this an inside joke?

Zen, just responding to your statements.
BTW, wisdom is after all borne of experience.

Zen and the Art of Debunkery (excerpt)

As the millennium turns, science seems in many ways to be treading the weary path of the religions it presumed to replace. Where free, dispassionate inquiry once reigned, emotions now run high in the defense of a fundamentalized "scientific truth." As anomalies mount up beneath a sea of denial, defenders of the Faith and the Kingdom cling with increasing self-righteousness to the hull of a sinking paradigm. Faced with provocative evidence of things undreamt of in their philosophy, many otherwise mature scientists revert to a kind of skeptical infantilism characterized by blind faith in the absoluteness of the familiar. Small wonder, then, that so many promising fields of inquiry remain shrouded in superstition, ignorance, denial, disinformation, taboo . . . and debunkery.

What is "debunkery?" Essentially it is the attempt to *debunk* (invalidate) new information and insight by substituting scient*istic* propaganda for the scient*ific* method.

1. Portray science not as an open-ended process of discovery but as a holy war against unruly hordes of quackery- worshipping infidels. Since in war the ends justify the means, you may fudge, stretch or violate the scientific method, or even omit it entirely, in the name of defending the scientific method.

2. Always refer to unorthodox statements as "claims," which are "touted," and to your own assertions as "facts," which are "stated."

3. Insist that the progress of science depends on explaining the unknown in terms of the known. In other words, science equals reductionism. You can apply the reductionist approach in any situation by discarding more and more and more evidence until what little is left can finally be explained entirely in terms of established knowledge.

4. State categorically that the unconventional may be dismissed as, at best, an honest misinterpretation of the conventional.

5. If sufficient evidence has been presented to warrant further investigation of an unusual phenomenon, argue that "evidence alone proves nothing!" Ignore the fact that preliminary evidence is not supposed to prove *any*thing.

Cheers, Geoff Kait
Machina Dramatica

So I am still waiting for an answer. The teleportation tweak supposedly "works" by quantum teleportation. Go ahead and google 'record quantum teleportation'. The world record is 89 miles using lasers in open air. I want to know how groups of real scientists working hard at trying to improve upon this can only make it work for 89 miles yet Machina Dynamica can make it work by telephone to anywhere in the world. The teleportation tweak must be where high concept, low tech, and an utter lack of integrity converge. This too can be yours for the low, low cost of $60 for a single phone call. Just imagine all of the wizardry that goes into some of the other MD products.

Zenblaster,
I think Csontos is playing a GOTCHA GAME. The only thing is he may be the only one playing. I don't hear any echoes. STICK TO THE SUBJECT OF THE ORIGINAL POST is the name of the game I am playing and I think a few of us are there, thankfully.

Mapman,
I think I have to agree with you when you said, "A lot of (good) science fiction is able to get people to envision how things that would not seem possible or appear to be nonsense might in fact be possible. Bad science fiction tends to be less successful at achieving the suspension of disbelief or leap of faith needed. Bad science fiction might still be regarded as good fantasy though.

My opinion of MD is that it is bad science fiction, but maybe good fantasy. Its more in the "Lost IN Space" camp than "Star Trek". No monsters in rubber suits quite yet though!"

As the stomach turns.

Csmgolf wrote,

"So I am still waiting for an answer. The teleportation tweak supposedly "works" by quantum teleportation. Go ahead and google 'record quantum teleportation'. The world record is 89 miles using lasers in open air. I want to know how groups of real scientists working hard at trying to improve upon this can only make it work for 89 miles yet Machina Dynamica can make it work by telephone to anywhere in the world. The teleportation tweak must be where high concept, low tech, and an utter lack of integrity converge. This too can be yours for the low, low cost of $60 for a single phone call. Just imagine all of the wizardry that goes into some of the other MD products."

Well, actually, at the time the Teleportation Tweak was introduced about five years ago the (recognized) record was only about one meter. So I suppose I should give the "real scientists" credit for extending the distance over which they are able to achieve quantum teleportation. Nevertheless, I was achieving distances of thousands of miles, even 10,000 miles, five years ago, so pardon me if I am not terribly impressed by the distances achieved by the "real scientists." I hate to judge before all the facts are in, but I have a sneaking suspicion if the Real Scientists ever got wind of the Teleportation Tweak they would laugh so hard milk would squirt out of their noses. How could some upstart Audio Tweaker beat THEIR glorious record?!

Okay. Has anything you've presented gotten past the "preliminary evidence stage" or are they all evidentially preliminary by nature and therefore relegated to the "Kingdom of Faith". Cuz then we're talkin serious "Hocus Pocus". You might want to get out your Ouija board.

"What is "debunkery?" Essentially it is the attempt to *debunk* (invalidate) new information and insight by substituting scient*istic* propaganda for the scient*ific* method."

When Geoff publishes anything remotely indicating having applied the scientific method to reach a conclusion, then this might apply.

SO far all I see is "scient*istic* propaganda", the very thing this statement would seem to warn against.

No surprises here.

The author, Daniel Drasin, is an interesting guy from what I read, a Hollywood type with an interest in the realm that lies outside of current scientific discovery. That's a big realm that includes a lot! Luckily, we have Geoff and MD to help show us the way!

Where are those new frontiers for better sound? Is there more to be heard than our mere human ears have heard or even that each individual has perhaps taken notice of to date? I believe there is.

My standard response to "scient*istic* propaganda" though is:

Yawn.....

But I will keep my mind and ears open still so that I might recognize when something new of potential value pops up. I'm very open to advanced concepts...as long as they make sense. What makes sense or not is definitely an individualistic thing and science may often have very little to do with that.

I suppose that's why we have a brain I would think, to use it to help figure out what does and does not make sense. There is no science without the human brain, but the reverse is certainly possible.

Then there is credibility. One might be willing to take a leap of faith and buy into an advanced concept that makes little or no sense if the purveyor has credibility.

If....

Csontos wrote,

"Okay. Has anything you've presented gotten past the "preliminary evidence stage" or are they all evidentially preliminary by nature and therefore relegated to the "Kingdom of Faith". Cuz then we're talkin serious "Hocus Pocus". You might want to get out your Ouija board."

Uh, this is a hobby we're talking about, right? Just about everything in this hobby, especially tweaks, are at the "evidence stage," you know, until someone with some authority steps up to the plate and attempts to get to the bottom of some of these things. Things like SteinMusic Harmonizer, Bybee Quantum Filters, Mpingo Disc, Shakti Stone, Schumann Frequency Generator, CD demagnetizers, tiny little bowl resonators, things of that nature. Even audio reviewers, bless their hearts, rarely offer any in-depth analysis, much less measurements, of these controversial or unconventional devices beyond the usual, "I have no idea how these things work but work they do." I hate to be the bearer of bad tidings but if you're sitting around twiddling your thumbs waiting for some "recognized authority" like MIT or AES or NASA or even The Absolute Sound, Stereophile or Positive Feedback, you had probably better be prepared to wait a very long time. In the meantime, preliminary evidence will have to suffice, that evidence being the experiences of audiophiles like yourself.

"but I have a sneaking suspicion if the Real Scientists ever got wind of the Teleportation Tweak they would laugh so hard milk would squirt out of their noses"

You got a point there, judge!

Real science is validated by peers. Psuedo science requires no verification, just the word of the man behind the curtain (trust me it's true!). If what you are saying were even remotely close to the truth it would be validated and there would be no controversy. It is far easier to scam the unsuspecting and gullible. You are the absolute king of arguing in a circle. Pardon me if I am not at all impressed by your claims and find them utter and total BS. If I had been drinking milk the first time I read your explanation, I would have had milk coming out my nose too.

Mapman, you are right. It is like very bad science fiction. Get a load of the pictures posted with the flying saucer tweak. Looks suspiciously like the Jupiter 2 doesn't it? The monsters in rubber suits can't be far behind. I can picture the ad now. Place the rubber suit of the monster from Alpha Centauri in any room in your house except your listening room. If you have it in the room you listen in you may end up scared and ruin your mind matter interaction. The more rooms you place them in, the smoother your highs will be and your soundstage will really open up. Your jaw will drop when you hear the difference. They can be yours for the low low price of $299 each. Made up testimonials available upon request.

"I am not terribly impressed ..." Neither am I. Where's the proof for your bold claim -- except another bold assertion -- backed by more claims? Put up.

Mapman
"but I have a sneaking suspicion if the Real Scientists ever got wind of the Teleportation Tweak they would laugh so hard milk would squirt out of their noses"

You got a point there, judge!

Ditto.

You can buy a clock for $200 for super dooper fidelity. No, not a word clock,
an actual clock:
If this looks like a $10 Timex clock with a red sticker on it, that’s because it
is. Oh all right then, it’s not, it’s Machina Dynamica’s Clever Little Clock. How
clever? Clever enough to sell for $199 a piece. How can they justify this
2000% price increase? Why, because it’s been “extensively modified”, of
course. According to his website, Geoff Kait is able to do this using “concepts
and techniques originally developed by PWB Electronics“. Most likely, this
means the technique of buying something that costs very little money (e.g. a
crocodile clip) and selling it for very much money (e.g. £500).

But what does it do? Everything!
Remove the Clock from its clear bubble pack and place it anywhere in the
listening room. The sound will be considerably more musical and live
sounding. There will be less distortion, more information and a deep,
coherent soundstage. Low frequencies will be articulate, extended and
dynamic, high frequencies exceptionally smooth with phenomenal inner
detail. In other words, More of Everything!! Found this online

More stuff onlineJust incase you dont know the word an Audiophile is someone that obsesses over the sound quality of their stereo system, usually starting off by improving the large components like amplifiers and speakers and then eventually becoming so obsessive that they will spend ridiculous amounts of money on things that make very little or absolutly no difference at all to sound quality.

The companies that sell the usually back up their products with ridiculously convoluted semi scientific explanations of how they work and how effective they are.

Here are a few of my favourites I wanted to share with you, All from the same company www.machinadynamica.com...

Blue Meanies
Machina Dynamica's latest product, Codename Blue Meanies, is a set of 4 adhesive-backed 3/4" blue dots that are attached to the walls of the listening room, one dot per wall. If there are only three walls in the room, two blue dots should be placed on one of the walls. Codename Green Meanies are now available for the ceiling of the listening room, one or more per ceiling

Yours for the very reasonable price of $99 and if sticking 4 blue dots to your wall doesnt quite make your stereo sound good enough then they also do Green ones for $100

Top Banana

It might look like some yellow paper that you stick to the inside of your dvd tray, but it isn't that simple. Actually its a $64 bit of yellow paper you stick to the inside of your dvd tray

Brilliant Pebbles
A truly marvellous bit of nonsense described as follows
Brilliant Pebbles addresses specific resonance control and RFI/EMI absorption problems associated with audio electronics, speakers and cables, as well as acoustic wave problems associated with the listening room boundaries and the 3-dimensional space within the boundaries. Brilliant Pebbles comprises a number of precious and semi-precious stones (crystals) selected for their effectiveness. The original glass bottles for Brilliant Pebbles have been replaced by clear zip lock bags, which have a more linear response than glass.


The price? $39-$160
Im speechless

Found online always got a huge kick out of his gear.

The "clever little clock" is hilarious. It's a normal little battery powered digital clock with a...dolls eye or something similar on it.

There is also this "phone hack" he sells. You give him his number and he calls you, you pick up your phone and he does something on his end to improve the sound of your system.

At least, that's what I recall. I'll have to check the link again. It's been a while...

Brand New Product!! - CD Re-Animator

Machina Dynamica's CD Re-Animator Multicolor Stroboscopic Light Gun

Machina Dynamica's amazing new product - the CD Re-Animator - a palm size Multicolor, Multibeam stroboscopic Light Gun. The CD Re-Animator is a highly modified, battery-powered 12 LED light gun that permanently upgrades CDs, DVDs, SACDs or Blu Ray discs. The CD is upgraded by selecting MODE 1 of the CD Re-Animator and placing it directly over the data side of the CD for 3 minutes. MODE 1 sequentially fires Red, Green and Blue LEDs. Batteries included. Price $179

Geoff made it in ,Ripoff Report,The following is from James Randi's website (http://www.randi.org/joom/content/view/127/1/). Do not fall for this scam. Read everything Randi has to say about this company!

See randi.org/joom/content/view/121/#i7 to refresh your memory of a major silly scam being used to extract cash from na've audio fans. As I've told readers before, I often get involved in trying to establish a correspondence with the scammers, and that sometimes results in protracted exchanges. With that in mind, read the following emails between reader Matt Schaffner and Geoff Kait, the genius behind this whole Machina Dynamica farce. Matt wrote me:

I teach music technology at an accredited university in Louisville, Kentucky. When I read your blurb on the inventions at Machina Dynamica, I was stunned at their awesome claims. Knowing full well that they are a total fraud, I've been baiting the company's creator with emails. All of the classic signs of woo'woo are here: no reputable references, no outside testing, devices work by mysteriously harnessing the laws of quantum mechanics, etc. I thought you might be interested in our ongoing email exchange. This man is stealing people's money. Please let me know if I can donate to your cause by helping to expose this man.

The email exchange follows. First, Matt approached the Machina Dynamica CEO:

Geoff, I teach classes on music technology at an accredited university. I would like to test some of your products and publish materials on them. I am very excited about the possibility of seeing and hearing some of your devices. Is there any way we might discuss this further?

A prompt response followed from Geoff Kait:

Hello, Matt, thanks for your interest in Machina Dynamica. I respectfully decline to submit any of our products for testing.

Persisting, Matt wrote back:

Do you have any published materials on the testing and performance of your products?

Geoff countered with a desperate alibi:

Matt – All testing information is proprietary. Performance data is also proprietary. All information that we deem relevant is published on Machina Dynamica’s web site.

Translated: No. Matt, ever patient, asked:

Ok, I understand. I wanted to perform an in-class comparison of your goods with other well known audio products. Additionally, I was going to publish some materials concerning comparisons between high–end sound technologies. How can I get information on your data? Have there been any reviews of your products in magazines or online?

In a somewhat ominous tone, Machina Dynamica answered:

I don't think you realize what you're getting yourself into. There is so much information available on-line you won't have enough time in a year or two to thoroughly examine it all, much less come to conclusions on the effectiveness of these products or how they compare to other products.

There was a review of Intelligent Chip by 2 PhDs at 6 Moons in Jan 07: http://www.6moons.com/audioreviews/photoncannons/photoncannons.html. There was a review of Clever Little Clock in Positive Feedback last year: positive feedback.com/Issue23/clock_nespa.htm. I have a white paper on Brilliant Pebbles at: machinadynamica.com/machina17.htm. I have a paper on Intelligent Chip at: machinadynamica.com/machina64.htm. Review of Intelligent Box by 2 PhDs at 6moons.com/audioreviews/machinadynamica2/ib.html.

Despite the mass of data contained in these references, our only interest at the JREF is: does the thing work? Similarly, Matt assured Geoff that he was undeterred:

I have students that can filter through much of this information. Also, reading things like this is what I do for a living. I have plenty of time to read, and if I only spend a single year doing research then I'm happy. Any additional material you have would be helpful. Do you have any other websites?

Geoff fired back:

Matt, my website has many pages; there is navigation at the top of the main page. www.machinadynamica.com

Ever gracious, Matt wrote:

Thanks, the pages on your site helped. None of the writing seems to describe the mechanisms of your inventions. Do you have the patent number for these devices so that I might see how exactly they work? I am very interested in the Intelligent Box and Card. I'm not seeing exactly what these do, and especially how they might work. I'm curious as to what exactly is changed on a CD to enhance its sound, as a CD contains data in the form of a dye. Do you change the dye somehow?

Thanks for all your help!

Then this salvo was fired off by Geoff:

Patents too expensive, furthermore I don’t wish to reveal certain information so I don't go that route. Ironically, much safer not to have patent in these cases.

The Intelligent Box/Intelligent Card is the evolution of the Intelligent Chip, which does the same thing as the Box. The box replicates the CD player laser and gets the active material very close to the CD, one thing the Intelligent Chip did not do the Chip was placed on top of the player chassis while the CD played for 2 seconds. But the effects of the Chip and the Box are the same. The explanation of the Box is the same as for the Chip – quantum mechanics photon interaction with the CD material. It's all explained in excruciating detail in my paper on the Intelligent Chip.

This is just blather, with no science factor at all, only buzz-words and fakery. And, obviously, a patent on such devices would not be too expensive, at all if they worked.. The USPTO [United States Patent and Trademark Office] tends to award patents to just about any devices mentioned to them, whether they actually exist or not, and whether they work at all. However, I find two things here with which I and Matt Schaffner can enthusiastically agree. First, I'm sure, as Geoff Kait wrote, that the effects of the Chip and the Box are the same. The Intelligent Chip does exactly the same thing that the Intelligent Box does exactly nothing. Second, yes, I'm sure that there is “excruciating detail in that learned paper.

Ah, but as we go to press, Matt reports:

Here's the latest from Geoff Kait at Machina Dynamics. Apparently he has now created a CD cleaner using "fake" atoms name brand atoms are so expensive. This is his response to my email:

Begin response:

The Box has a dedicated laser in it (so the box simulates the CD player "box" and laser). The advantage of the Intelligent Box is that the active material in the card is inserted into the interior of the Box so the active ingredient is very close to the laser and the CD, which is placed on top of the Intelligent Box when treating it. The top of the Box is clear so the CD is exposed to the photons of the laser and the photons emitted by the card when the laser strikes it. The active ingredient is contained in a thin layer spread out in the card's interior, like a sandwich. The simultaneous interaction of the laser photons and the Card photons with the polycarbonate layer of the CD improves the transparency of the layer so that when the CD is played the CD player laser "reads" the embedded data more accurately.

Comments Matt:

The active ingredient in the Card as for the Chip is actually artificial atoms! Pretty innovative for an audio product, wouldn't you say?

Oh, very

Paul
Bozeman, Montana
U.S.A.

Posted by geoffkait (M) on January 23, 2013 at 14:20:08
Machina Dynamica.
Obtain a roll of adhesive-backed copper tape, width 1/2 inch. It can be either conductive or non-conductive adhesive. Adhesive-backed copper tape is available at Amazon and eBay, Radio Shack might carry it, who knows. Cut the copper tape into 1" x 1/2" rectangles - one rectangle for every window pane or glass door in the house or apartment. Attach one copper rectangle to each glass window and glass door. The copper rectangle can be placed anywhere on the glass, upper corner or otherwise out of view is OK. Be sure and attach a copper rectangle to glass in all rooms of the house or apt.

In Reply to: RE: My suggestion is posted by geoffkait on January 28, 2013 at 16:12:14
Seeing is that most of your potential customers peruse these forums You would have to be nuts to think anyone would now go and pay you to cut the little copper pieces for them ..after reading this thread.

Posted by geoffkait (M) on January 23, 2013 at 14:20:08
Machina Dynamica.
Obtain a roll of adhesive-backed copper tape, width 1/2 inch. It can be either conductive or non-conductive adhesive. Adhesive-backed copper tape is available at Amazon and eBay, Radio Shack might carry it, who knows. Cut the copper tape into 1" x 1/2" rectangles - one rectangle for every window pane or glass door in the house or apartment. Attach one copper rectangle to each glass window and glass door. The copper rectangle can be placed anywhere on the glass, upper corner or otherwise out of view is OK. Be sure and attach a copper rectangle to glass in all rooms of the house or apt.

In Reply to: RE: My suggestion is posted by geoffkait on January 28, 2013 at 16:12:14
Seeing is that most of your potential customers peruse these forums You would have to be nuts to think anyone would now go and pay you to cut the little copper pieces for them ..after reading this thread.

this one is funny,,And I thought pet rocks were dumb...
Idiot Tax: $39.00 to $159.00 each
Ok these are literally rocks in a bag. What possible explanation could they have?
Brilliant Pebbles addresses specific resonance control and RFI/EMI absorption problems associated with audio electronics, speakers and cables, as well as acoustic wave problems associated with the listening room boundaries and the 3-dimensional space within the boundaries. The fundamental operating principle of Brilliant Pebbles involves a number of atomic mechanisms in the crystals.
Here’s a different explanation: YOU ARE SELLING TINY ROCKS FOR $159 A BAG!
Also, your web page looks like it was made in 1994 by a sixth-grader. Your so-called “white paper” is made up of half bad science and half the unintelligible rantings of a crazy man. Surely no one buys this crap from you, right? Right??
Wrong!
“Nothing in my experience compares to the improvements your products make. Before your products, this reference system was more than revealing enough to allow virtually every design change we make in our products audible. I believe that THAT ability of the system has now been enhanced at least a full order of magnitude.” – Brad, Revelation Audio Labs, July 2007
Well, if you learn anything from this article, at least you learned not to go to Revelation Audio Labs.
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M Lex 15 says:
April 25, 2009 at 5:24 pm
Who the fuck is behind this blog? Do you have any fucking sense of humor at all? Do you not realize Machina Dynamica is a humor site and these products are jokes?

Good luck with your shitty blog.

admin says:
April 25, 2009 at 6:24 pm
I wish that were true. But no, Machina Dynamica is a real site, not a joke.

http://www.ripoffreport.com/reports/0/286/RipOff0286484.htm

Monkey Migraine says:
April 30, 2009 at 8:10 am
Amazing. The sad part is that someone is buying these. The problem with “audio enhancement” is that it’s all relative. Short of technical analysis, how could anyone prove something does or doesn’t “sound better?” If I paid four hundred bucks for some rocks to improve my sound, I’m going to want to believe the sound is better. Suckers are born every minute.

Mike says:
December 2, 2009 at 11:27 am
I actually think that Machina Dynamica is a joke site, and the ripoff report replies by the guy at MD certainly seem like long winded practical jokes. Enjoy the blog, but fairly certain these are very much so just pokes are companies like Monster who product $80 cables that you could buy for $1.85.

Stereo5,The above post are just some info I found online.There is also some info if you do a search in the archives.Hope that helps.

Csontos,
It looks like Geoffkait has gotten it a few times here. You might want to call it multi-touche-ed. Can you keep track of this count for us, as well? Thanks.

Raytheprinter,
The only thing I will take issue with is that Ripoff Report is owned by a convicted criminal named Ed Magedson. If you Google him you'll find a lot of interesting material.

Still skirting the issue I see.

Geoffkait,
It's interesting that you mentioned "SteinMusic Harmonizer, Bybee Quantum Filters, Mpingo Disc, Shakti Stone, Schumann Frequency Generator, CD demagnetizers, tiny little bowl resonators". Are you seriously putting your things on the same playing field? I don't hear anyone else but you doing so. You are unanimous.

( LOL...you too no doubt)...Have you gone over your own post that I last responded to? Let me reword as per your#5. Has there been "sufficient evidence presented" to "warrant further investigation" of one of your "unusually phenomenal" products? If so, please present it here to us. Or must we enter the "Kingdom of Faith" in order to verify your claims? Do you charge admission? How much? Let me guess.

Csontos wrote,

Has there been "sufficient evidence presented" to "warrant further investigation" of one of your "unusually phenomenal" products? If so, please present it here to us."

Sufficient evidence? Uh, and what exactly do you think constitutes "sufficient evidence?" and to whom? And who should be providing the evidence and doing the further investigation? Most likely not anyone here on this thread as they've already made their minds up. There's a name for that but it escapes me at the moment.

Raytheprinter wrote,

"Geoff made it in ,Ripoff Report,The following is from James Randi's website (www.randi). Do not fall for this scam. Read everything Randi has to say about this company!"

Yeah, right. James Randi wouldn't have any reason to lie, would he? Lol

Take your time.

Sabai wrote,

"Geoffkait,
It's interesting that you mentioned "SteinMusic Harmonizer, Bybee Quantum Filters, Mpingo Disc, Shakti Stone, Schumann Frequency Generator, CD demagnetizers, tiny little bowl resonators". Are you seriously putting your things on the same playing field? I don't hear anyone else but you doing so."

I hate to judge before all the facts are in, but it appears you might be having a reading comprehension moment as I was using the SteinMusic Harmonizer, et al as examples of controversial, or at least unconventional, audio tweaks that have NOT been peer reviewed or validated, I mean other than the usual audio magazine review, which I'm assuming you Über Skeptics don't count as peer review or validation. I provided this list of audio devices in response to a demand from Csontos for peer review, validation and more complete evidence of my products. Csontos being an excellent example of someone who actually believes high end audio products undergo some sort of Peer Review or validation process. Follow?

Tpreaves wrote,

"Still skirting the issue I see."

What issue would that be? I don't want you to feel like I'm ignoring you or minimizing your contribution. LOL

Sabai,I will ,thanks

Geoff,This thread is not about the products you have mentioned.
Stereo5 asked about Machina Dynamica products .

Raytheprinter wrote,

"Geoff,This thread is not about the products you have mentioned.
Stereo5 asked about Machina Dynamica products."

Machina Dynamica, a brief history. My web site was initially set up and designed by Dr. Thomas Slivinski, the first PhD in Computer Science from U. Of Illinois, Urbana, and one of the designers of the advanced computer at Urbana that became the model for HAL 9000 in the movie, 2001- A Space Odyssey. Machina Dynamica started out with one product, the Nimbus Unipivot Sub-Hertz Isolation Platform, a 6-degree-of-freedom isolation stand that debuted at CES in the Mapleshade/Gallo room. The Nimbus was so tricky to construct and set up that it was virtually impossible to duplicate. Hardened steel spring-based Promethean Base replaced Nimbus five years later. About that time I discovered crystals and produced the world's first comprehensive crystal-based audio product - Brilliant Pebbles, named after the Star Wars weapon system. Next there was a turquoise scattered laser light absorber for CD and a yellow one for Blu Ray. Then a few things that go bump in the night - extensively treated clocks, improving systems over the telephone, quantum chips with synthetic atoms, things of that nature. Machina Dynamica's copper foils for windows and the Pretzel Logic Reef Knot Device for audio and non-audio cables are the latest products. I am also the only dealer for Princeton University and International Consciousness Research Laboratories' The Mind Lamp - an color-changing ambient light device the color pattern of which is influenced by human thought.

For the record Geoff, I rely on feedback from the general population in regards to the performance of the audio products I make decisions on. I have never read or owned an audio mag. Not sure what you mean by Peer Review/ validation process but if you consider sane common sensical opinions on the so-called tweaks your peddling to be a conservative choke-hold on the progress and betterment of our hobby, then I suppose we're in for some really fabulous technological breakthroughs thanks to MD in about fifty years. Imagine taking the lid off your hi-end amp and finding nothing but a box full of rocks. Amazing! Or maybe a tiny orchestra of bumble-bees humming out a tune. I can just see it now; Bedrock will by then be a veritable metropolis with all the advancements you could expect from a burgeoning little stone-age town. Fred and Barney busting with pride.

BTW, you did use the Flintstones to come up with your ideas, didn't you? Come on, tell the truth.

Csontos wrote,

"For the record Geoff, I rely on feedback from the general population in regards to the performance of the audio products I make decisions on."

Interesting. So it sounds like you wish to progress no further than the general population. That's not very adventuresome. :-)

Csontos also wrote,

"I have never read or owned an audio mag."

Ah, I see, you mistrust reviewers and trust the general population.

:-)